Dr. Fauci

What a weird group we’d be if we were all on the same dock.
I guess I would try and have the brightest LED underwater lights. - see who’s attracted to come over and have a beer and conversation. Mask or no mask. (If you’re not wearing a mask, I promise I won’t call the authorities)

Anyway, carry on.
 
aerobat77 said:
sorry to say but first : a virus is not a living organism . it needs a living organism to reproduce and to be transported , it cannot move by itself .

second : it is spread to others via the air you exhale while e.g speaking . since you exhaled air is not dry it sits in small droplets . these droplets are large enough your n95 will catch it easily.
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You are wrong. How could a virus not be living. Think about what you just said.

A virus can reproduce itself.
A virus can mutate itself.

If you prefer to consider this organism that behaves as if alive, as non living, then put away your mask.

Unbelievable.
 
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Henry Boyd said:
You make the argument that a non surgical mask will be ineffective on keeping the wearer safe on the basis of science. Why are you blind to the science that shows a mask of any grade will keep the contagious from infecting others? Why do you ignore the science that grows everyday through antibody testing that is beginning to show the number of cases of Covid-19 by people who didn’t even think they were sick? That means contagious people (Like you maybe?) out there walking around infecting others.

So when you got on a plane, or walked through an airport without a mask, how do you know you weren’t spreading this disease? Were you tested? When? If it wasn’t with a day or two of your travels, the results mean nothing. How do you know? Do you even care? Was it because you feel ok? That doesn’t prove anything.
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You do not comprehend what you read in my post.
You either have limited reading comprehension or you’re blinded w bias and stupidity.

Note, I am not calling you stupid. I am saying, I repeat, that you could be blinded by stupidity given your response to what I wrote.

For your further edumacation, the requirements to wearing a mask are not universal across our country and airports as well as airlines for that matter.

Again, shocking.
 
El Capitan said:
You do not comprehend what you read in my post.
You either have limited reading comprehension or you’re blinded w bias and stupidity.

Note, I am not calling you stupid. I am saying, I repeat, that you could be blinded by stupidity given your response to what I wrote.

For your further edumacation, the requirements to wearing a mask are not universal across our country and airports as well as airlines for that matter.

Again, shocking.
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According to you N95 masks don’t work because the filter spacing is greater than particle size.

Then why is the entire world’s medical and first responder establishment searching for supplies of them?

Why are people chartering jet freighters to go and buy them for hospitals and first responders.

They must be stupid.

Thanks for the further “edumacation”. So what if masks are not required. A mask prevents the spread of disease by people who are infected and contagious whether they have Visible symptoms or not. Why don’t you wear a mask because it’s just the right thing to do? Sure by your logic one can stroll around Chicago in January in zero degree weather in shorts and a tee shirt because no one says they can’t. Not very smart, but you can do it. The difference is, in that process you won’t spread a dangerous disease to anyone who comes in contact with you.

But tell me. How do you know you were healthy? How can you prove it?

Answer the questions.
 
Henry Boyd said:
According to you N95 masks don’t work because the filter spacing is greater than particle size.

Then why is the entire world’s medical and first responder establishment searching for supplies of them?

Why are people chartering jet freighters to go and buy them for hospitals and first responders.

They must be stupid.

Thanks for the further “edumacation”. So what if masks are not required. A mask prevents the spread of disease by people who are infected and contagious whether they have Visible symptoms or not. Why don’t you wear a mask because it’s just the right thing to do? Sure by your logic one can stroll around Chicago in January in zero degree weather in shorts and a tee shirt because no one says they can’t. Not very smart, but you can do it. The difference is, in that process you won’t spread a dangerous disease to anyone who comes in contact with you.

But tell me. How do you know you were healthy? How can you prove it?

Answer the questions.
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Just curious, during the last flu season did you wear a mask?
 
CaptRonn said:
Just curious, during the last flu season did you wear a mask?
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No I did not. Although the flu does have serious consequences for me, I got a high dose flu shot. Something that can’t be done with Covid-19. In any event:

Last flu season did the flu kill 35000 people a month?

Was the death toll for the flu season 89,000 thousand and counting?

Did the flu leave lasting immune system damage to children?

Try to keep up, Covid-19 is worse (More deadly) than the flu.
 
Henry Boyd said:
No I did not. Although the flu does have serious consequences for me, I got a high dose flu shot. Something that can’t be done with Covid-19. In any event:

Last flu season did the flu kill 35000 people a month?

Was the death toll for the flu season 89,000 thousand and counting?

Did the flu leave lasting immune system damage to children?

Try to keep up, Covid-19 is worse (More deadly) than the flu.
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Nice try.

Influenza is deadly, and can kill anyone at any age. Flu seasons typically kill between 60,000/year to 100,000/year (US). People can have the influenza virus and be asymptomatic. Flu shots don't guarantee you won't get infected with a particular strain of influenza, so you could have been infected and possibly infected others.

So you don't think a mask is necessary for something as deadly as influenza?
 
The CDC has looked at several independent studies of stopping the spread of influenza using paper and cloth based masks and determined at best there is no effect and at worst, actually increases the spread of the flu.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

In my opinion the idea of wearing a paper or cloth mask to stop the spread of Covid is security theater, just like taking off your shoes at the airport. When I wear a mask, it's an N95.

In this video a Brazilian firefighter simulates a sneeze through various paper, cloth, and N95 masks with a can of deodorant. While anecdotal, it demonstrates the ineffectiveness of paper/cloth masks from stopping the spread of the sneezee's (word?) germs.

 
Talking to my step-son last night and he made a good point. The population of our county is 84,000. 72 confirmed cases and 7 deaths. That is .08% of the counties population got it and only .008% died from it. Now I'm sure there were more than 72 people that got it but didn't know it or was never tested but those are pretty low odds.
 
LTD.330 said:
The CDC has looked at several independent studies of stopping the spread of influenza using paper and cloth based masks and determined at best there is no effect and at worst, actually increases the spread of the flu.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

In my opinion the idea of wearing a paper or cloth mask to stop the spread of Covid is security theater, just like taking off your shoes at the airport. When I wear a mask, it's an N95.

In this video a Brazilian firefighter simulates a sneeze through various paper, cloth, and N95 masks with a can of deodorant. While anecdotal, it demonstrates the ineffectiveness of paper/cloth masks from stopping the spread of the sneezee's (word?) germs.

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The study you cite was not a CDC paper, they just published it in one of their journals. If you read it through, you'll see it was funded by the WHO and conducted by the University of Hong Kong. In any event, the study predates Covid and was focused on influenza. I read the conclusion as there was insufficient evidence that mask wearing (or hand-washing or disinfecting surfaces) had an impact on flu transmission and suggested further research.

This paper, which has several of the same authors, including the same Ph.D. supervisor (Dr. Cowling) and is likely a follow on to the first paper. It was written specifically in response to Covid 19 and was an actual study as opposed to a literature review. They included subjects with live influenza, rhinovirus or coronavirus (the kind that causes colds) as well as a control group and concluded that face masks prevent transmission of viruses.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2
 
alnav said:
The study you cite was not a CDC paper, they just published it in one of their journals. If you read it through (I did), you'll see it was funded by the WHO and conducted by the University of Hong Kong. In any event, the study predates Covid and was focused on influenza. My point exactly

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I read the conclusion as there was insufficient evidence that mask wearing (or hand-washing or disinfecting surfaces) had an impact on flu transmission and suggested further research.

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Did you read the paper? I quote from the conclusion "Evidence from RCTs of hand hygiene or face masks did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza, and limited evidence was available on other environmental measures".

Further from the guts of the CDC article: Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.


This paper, which has several of the same authors, including the same Ph.D. supervisor (Dr. Cowling) and is likely a follow on to the first paper. It was written specifically in response to Covid 19 and was an actual study as opposed to a literature review. They included subjects with live influenza, rhinovirus or coronavirus (the kind that causes colds) as well as a control group and concluded that face masks prevent transmission of viruses.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2
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El Capitan said:
You are wrong. How could a virus not be living. Think about what you just said.

A virus can reproduce itself.
A virus can mutate itself.
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LOL ... no . a virus is NOT alive , CANNOT reproduce by itself and CANNOT move by itself . mutation occours by the errors in reproduction inside your cells .

https://microbiologysociety.org/pub...e/article/are-viruses-alive-what-is-life.html

that has nothing to do with a mask since this virus is moved by your exhaled air in droplets and infects a body by reproduction using the cells of that body...
 
CaptRonn said:
Nice try.

Influenza is deadly, and can kill anyone at any age. Flu seasons typically kill between 60,000/year to 100,000/year (US). People can have the influenza virus and be asymptomatic. Flu shots don't guarantee you won't get infected with a particular strain of influenza, so you could have been infected and possibly infected others.

So you don't think a mask is necessary for something as deadly as influenza?
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Why don’t you get the facts correct? 24000 to 62000 is the estimate for the 2019-2020 flu season per CDC over the period mid October to mid April, or six months.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

We are at 88,754 deaths at two and a half months of widespread Covid-19 per Johns Hopkins. That’s also with the economy shut down and a large block of the population under stay at home advisory.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Not quite the same thing. You are delusional if you think the flu is as bad as Covid. Hospitals do not get overrun during the flu season. Temporary field hospitals are not needed in flu season.
 
Blueone said:
You can scream at the sky all you want ... people are going to do what they want.... and over throw a dictatorship if necessary
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I finally get it. It is plain old selfish I don’t give a fxxk about anybody else. Your rights include the right to make other people sick. Sounds a bit psychopathic don’t you think? What’s the difference between that attitude and driving your Sea Ray through a swimming area crowded with swimmers? I mean it’s your right to Go wherever you want even through a swimming area. They can just stay on the beach if they don’t like it, right? There is no difference between the two.
 
Henry Boyd said:
I finally get it. It is plain old selfish I don’t give a fxxk about anybody else. Your rights include the right to make other people sick. Sounds a bit psychopathic don’t you think? What’s the difference between that attitude and driving your Sea Ray through a swimming area crowded with swimmers? I mean it’s your right to Go wherever you want even through a swimming area. They can just stay on the beach if they don’t like it, right? There is no difference between the two.
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Geez Henry... stop taking this personally ... your argument is not going to change people......and no you don’t get it ... you are actually scaring me
 
Two months ago Fauci said we don't need to wear masks. Now he says we should all wear them. The video above of the firefighter blowing deodorant through various masks shows the ineffectiveness of mask wearing. Like much of TSA screening, mask wearing, unless N95, is intended to make the public feel safer not to control the spread of covid. I also don't get the argument that mask wearing stops the wearer from spreading the virus but doesn't prevent the wearer from getting it. Is the mask medium one way? The force of a sneeze through the mask is much greater than an aerosol of the virus floating through a Costco aisle.
We are being lied to by the government at all levels. Fake news and fake science are rampant. Absent a vaccine this virus is going to run its course. Mutate and die out or herd immunity. We have flattened the curve and sent the navy hospital ships back to their home ports. The health care system was never overrun or even close to it. The whole idea of sheltering in place was to slow the spread not stop it. Mission accomplished.
 
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