Considering a 2000 Sundancer 400

Discussion in 'Newbie Lounge - NEW' started by Pairadocs, Jan 15, 2016.

  1. Capt. Rusty Higgins

    Capt. Rusty Higgins Active Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    726
    Nov 6, 2006
    Florida
    The yacht delivery captain for Sea Ray Boats Inc.
    mostly 1100hp CAT/MAN
    Doc, you have just climbed the mountain of enlightenment and fell in the well of knowledge all at the same time. Within the first few return postings there was enough smarts on that model to fill volumes upon volume.

    If you are serious about a 400DA, then Tom, Peter and Commodore Ken are the ones to ask along with all the other 400 owners, both gas or diesel And I too would agree it has been one of the best hull bottoms Sea Ray ever built. Do you know any particulars of this boat? I don’t live on one like these other guys and doubt I can offer nearly as much info as these pros but feel free to ask.

    Now…you other guys- want to make any bets on the date and hull number the 400 came to its demise and replaced by the 410?

    hint- Tom is right, the first 410 was bow to stern with the last 400 at the old Sea Ray, Merritt Island FL plant

    Rusty
     
  2. ttmott

    ttmott Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    What a bet with you? The man with the data at fingertips? I'll take a guess; June 1999 and boat number 533.
    So to the OP, don't let Capt. Higgins play dumb - It's because of him and allowing me to ransack the engineering library at the plant that I know anything at all.
     
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2016
  3. HUMPH

    HUMPH Well-Known Member

    Nov 4, 2009
    SF BAY AREA
    2003 410DA,
    2004 C14 Caribe
    CAT 3126TA's 350HP/
    50HP Honda
    And that is now Past Commodore Ken! I have passed the gavel!
     
  4. peterkvs

    peterkvs Member GOLD Sponsor

    503
    Nov 11, 2012
    Guntersville, Alabama
    400 Sundancer 1999
    3116 Cats, 1000 hours
    My 99 400 is hull 620.
     
  5. ttmott

    ttmott Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    OK Pete - I'll bite. Mine is "production run" 525 with S/N 7549 and it's a 2000 model year with certification date of June 99. Behind about every fabricated item is written "400DA 525" so I'm assuming 525 is the production number and what I'm sure is near the last of them.
    How did you get 620?
     
  6. peterkvs

    peterkvs Member GOLD Sponsor

    503
    Nov 11, 2012
    Guntersville, Alabama
    400 Sundancer 1999
    3116 Cats, 1000 hours
    I don't know this is a good question. Mine is actually 622. Like yours it says 400DA-622 on the back of everything. But mine is 99 model and SN7241.
     
  7. THJeff

    THJeff Member SILVER Sponsor

    254
    Jan 4, 2012
    Rochester Hills, MI/Belle Maer Harbor/Club Island
    2000 410 Sundancer
    CAT 3126 Diesels
    Interesting stuff on the build sequence. What month does Sea Ray generally start manufacturing for the upcoming model year? For example, since my hull ID ends in A000 I've always assumed that my 2000 410DA was built in January of 2000 (A for January, 0 for 2000 build year, 00 for 2000 model year); what month in 2000 did they start making the 2001 model year? I'm sure it varies by model and year just like cars but I see your 400DAs were built in June of 1999 so they must start pretty early.
     
  8. RollerCoastr

    RollerCoastr Well-Known Member

    Nov 15, 2007
    Cedar Point, OH / Miami, FL / MacRay Harbor, MI
    1997 400DA
    340HP 7.4 Mercruiser Bluewaters
    Garmin 741, 742, 8212, 24HD, Intellian I2
    1999 280BR
    Twin 250HP Merc 350 Alpha Ones
    My '97 was built in April of '06.
     
  9. Pairadocs

    Pairadocs Member

    31
    Jan 15, 2016
    Fenton, MI/Tawas City, MI
    400 Sundancer 1998
    3116 Caterpillar
    Thanks. Great insight from all. I am so appreciative. I go to see the boat tomorrow. I have also found the same model in a 1998 that looks not only clean (pics) but also appears to have had great maintenance. I am not keen on 2 years older for about the same price, but am willing to at least look at it. Do you know of any significant differences in the years? aj
     
  10. fwebster

    fwebster Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor PLATINUM Sponsor

    Oct 6, 2006
    Middle Tennessee ; Panama City Beach, FL
    1996 450DA
    3116 Caterpillars
    The actual month production starts for a model year varies depending upon a lot of variables like backlog, model changes, end of model, etc. FOR the most part, the new manufacturing year begins in about August.
     
  11. RollerCoastr

    RollerCoastr Well-Known Member

    Nov 15, 2007
    Cedar Point, OH / Miami, FL / MacRay Harbor, MI
    1997 400DA
    340HP 7.4 Mercruiser Bluewaters
    Garmin 741, 742, 8212, 24HD, Intellian I2
    1999 280BR
    Twin 250HP Merc 350 Alpha Ones
    The 400DA had no significant changes in design, layout, features or power throughout its production run. The cosmetic changes were relatively minor, and most of those occurred in the earlier years. There are more differences between a '97 and a '98 than you'll see between a '98 and a 2000.

    The only FB mold difference I can identify was the addition of the upper transom "bumps", which occurred during the '97 model year. The tan dash was optional early on, and in early models the tan stopped at knee level. The aft bimini supports were relocated after '97, and the fwd bimini bow was re-shaped to be taller in the center. Chrome bezels were added to the gauges. Gassers got a slightly larger genny in '98, and the 340 Merc Bluewaters gave way to 380 Horizons. The microwave became a newer model and Vitricor cabinetry was introduced in 2 colors. Gas & diesel got newer throttle and shift levers after '97. The mirrors were squared-off and side curtains were added in the stateroom. The stainless guard around the rangetop was beefed-up. The built-in margarita maker didn't make it into all of the later 400DA's - on some boats you may have to provision your own blender. :wow:
     
  12. ttmott

    ttmott Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    To add:
    The 2000 model moved to the LCD systems monitor rather than the individual LED's.
    A significant differences from what I understand are between the boats built at the Merritt Island Fl. plant and at the Knoxville Tn plant. Cored hull from Tn and non-cored at Fl. Not sure about what years....
     
  13. RollerCoastr

    RollerCoastr Well-Known Member

    Nov 15, 2007
    Cedar Point, OH / Miami, FL / MacRay Harbor, MI
    1997 400DA
    340HP 7.4 Mercruiser Bluewaters
    Garmin 741, 742, 8212, 24HD, Intellian I2
    1999 280BR
    Twin 250HP Merc 350 Alpha Ones
    My understanding was that all 400DA's had cored hull-sides. I meant to confirm that with Rusty, but never got around to it.
     
  14. Capt. Rusty Higgins

    Capt. Rusty Higgins Active Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    726
    Nov 6, 2006
    Florida
    The yacht delivery captain for Sea Ray Boats Inc.
    mostly 1100hp CAT/MAN
    They all did NOT have cored hulls

    R
     
  15. mtnandy

    mtnandy Member

    111
    Nov 24, 2008
    Smith Mountain Lake VA.
    400da sundancer
    Cat 3116 Diesel
    Rusty,
    My 1997 400 Sundancer was built at Merritt Island , Fl hull serf5612f697. What type of hull and sides does it have. The reason I ask is that when it was pulled out 1.5 yrs ago for a bottom job right after I purchase it ( 13 years without bottom paint) it had about 50 large bilisters and water running out of the starboard prop tunnel at the transom end. The blisters were not deep and easy to fix, but the water in the tunnel required more work and cleanup. Had to actually remove material and let it drain and then repair. My concern is that if I have a cored hull then I will have problems in the future. Unfortunately I did not get to see the hull before it was repaired. Also while replacing a grounding wire in the bilge at the rudder I had to remove a thru bolt nut on the bilge rudder plate and noticed that a little water started to seep out ( boat in the water). The thru bolt was turning while I tightened the nut back on it , but once I got it good and tight the water stopped. Is this letting water into the hull ?
     
  16. Pairadocs

    Pairadocs Member

    31
    Jan 15, 2016
    Fenton, MI/Tawas City, MI
    400 Sundancer 1998
    3116 Caterpillar
    This has been an outstanding group. I appreciate everyone's input and outstanding insight. So I am kinda torn. I have a 2000 in my sights that is pretty clean, but with some cosmetic wear not to be unexpected. I also have a 1998 that appears really clean, but is obviously 2 years older. She also lacks a radar, but has some unique personal touches from the prior owner that the 2000 does not have. As best I can see the basic features between the 2000 and 1998 are not that different. I am not new to boating (15 plus years in a 38 foot sailboat), but I am new to power boating. Any last thoughts before I close a deal?
     
  17. Boat Guy

    Boat Guy Well-Known Member

    I'm late to the meetup.. (as usual...haha)

    Happy to answer any questions, though looks like you're pretty sorted. Trusted her with my life...20-30 miles offshore and even one day of 6'-7' off the bow...

    Well built and great company that stands behind her....Plus one experienced Capt. that's got my respect and then some....
     
  18. Pairadocs

    Pairadocs Member

    31
    Jan 15, 2016
    Fenton, MI/Tawas City, MI
    400 Sundancer 1998
    3116 Caterpillar
    Thanks to all for your input. I have settled the 1998 Sundancer 400. A little older than I wanted, but this is truly a "clean" boat. Outstanding condition, survey, including the cat survey all positive. This group has helped a ton in the process. I am proud to join the SR family this spring. Next stop: other SR discussions.
     
  19. ttmott

    ttmott Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    That's really great, congratulations!
     
  20. Riptide III

    Riptide III Active Member

    465
    Dec 8, 2007
    Dartmouth MA
    1997 Sea Ray 400DA
    Cat 3116 TA
    1994 Sea Ray Laguna CC Twin 135 Mercs
    :
    Congratulations! Fantastic choice. You will not be disappointed.
     

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