Considering a 2000 Sundancer 400

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  1. Pairadocs

    Pairadocs Member

    31
    Jan 15, 2016
    Fenton, MI/Tawas City, MI
    400 Sundancer 1998
    3116 Caterpillar
    Anyone have any concerns or suggestions when considering this particular boat? Thanks
     
  2. ttmott

    ttmott Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    Admittedly biased - but one of the finest boats SR has designed and built especially if built at their Sikes Creek Plant (S/N starts with SERF).
    The package with the CAT 3116TA's is essentially bullet proof provided these engines were taken care of.
    The primary issues:
    The Hurth transmission (HSW800) has a comparatively weak counter shaft assembly and has a history of the port one failing. Look closely at the gears when surveyed.
    The fresh water tank if filled full will crack and fail. If it hasn't already never ever fill it to overflow. What happens is at overflow the tank, which is plastic and shaped like an "L", will bulge out on the top surface and put stress on that inside corner of the "L" causing a crack there. Besides the pain of changing it, it's replacement is about $1500,
    If still has the original Norcold refer. plan on replacing it; it will fail.
    The generator is a Westerbeke if diesel boat and although a bullet proof unit if not taken care of is very expensive to repair/ replace; important survey item. Need also to know the limitations on starting it; if you crank it too long it will aspirate raw water into the cylinders and be ruined; knowledge is paramount.
    There have been some issues on the laminate used for the solon cabinets but I found if the boat remained air conditioned and has not gone through temp and humidity cycles (ie leave the AC off) the product is just fine.
    The diesel boat uses Racor 500MA primary fuel filters; it's a must if traveling to, for example, the Bahamas to get rid of these and install the Racor 900MA's or 1000MA's.
     
  3. Pairadocs

    Pairadocs Member

    31
    Jan 15, 2016
    Fenton, MI/Tawas City, MI
    400 Sundancer 1998
    3116 Caterpillar
    Thanks for the quick and very thorough review. This was extremely helpful.
     
  4. Gary B

    Gary B Member

    174
    May 20, 2015
    Long Island
    2007 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM 11
    Only consider the boats with diesel, you will not be as happy with the gas boat
     
  5. HUMPH

    HUMPH Well-Known Member

    Nov 4, 2009
    SF BAY AREA
    2003 410DA,
    2004 C14 Caribe
    CAT 3126TA's 350HP/
    50HP Honda
    It is basically the same boat as mine. Other than maintenance items that will be required for a boat of this age, it is a truly great boat. The engine room with diesels is tight but at 6' 2" and 225 lbs, I manage to get around somehow! Find a good one with diesels and buy it! If you are lake boating, gas models would be fine IMO.
     
  6. Pairadocs

    Pairadocs Member

    31
    Jan 15, 2016
    Fenton, MI/Tawas City, MI
    400 Sundancer 1998
    3116 Caterpillar
    Thanks for the endorsement.
     
  7. Pairadocs

    Pairadocs Member

    31
    Jan 15, 2016
    Fenton, MI/Tawas City, MI
    400 Sundancer 1998
    3116 Caterpillar
    Exactly the one I am considering. Thanks
     
  8. peterkvs

    peterkvs Member GOLD Sponsor

    503
    Nov 11, 2012
    Guntersville, Alabama
    400 Sundancer 1999
    3116 Cats, 1000 hours
    Great boat. Get a survey. If you can't ascertain the exact maintenance history, then do EVERY maintenance item up to the hours on the engines. There are some very important maintenance items. There was a lot of bad press about the 3126 Diesel engine, but all failures were early on and as long as the motors have more than a few hundred hours on them you won't find engines with those problems. The are awesome engines if well maintained. Ttmott and I can give you a lot of info through our personal experiences with the boat.
     
  9. Strypes

    Strypes Member

    736
    Dec 10, 2015
    Catawba Island
    12 Meter Trojan International Motor Yacht
    210 Sea Fox Center Console
    Avon 3.11 RIB
    454 Crusaders
    V6 Mercury Saltwater 150HP
    4 Stroke 5HP Mercury
    Greetings!

    Is this comment for real? I know that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but seriously?! Lol!

    Thanks in advance!

    Cheers
     
  10. Bryank

    Bryank Member

    455
    Jul 3, 2008
    Catawba Island, OH
    2001 410DA
    Mercruiser 8.1S Horizons
    I have a gas 410 DA that I use on Lake Erie. LOVE IT!
     
  11. THJeff

    THJeff Member SILVER Sponsor

    254
    Jan 4, 2012
    Rochester Hills, MI/Belle Maer Harbor/Club Island
    2000 410 Sundancer
    CAT 3126 Diesels
    I thought the 400 was replaced by the 410 for the 2000 model year. Did they make both simultaneously for a time? I love my 410.
     
  12. ttmott

    ttmott Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    The principal difference between the 410 and 400 decks and a discriminator for the 400 is the walkway behind the rear locker above the swim platform; the 410 doesn't have it. When my tender is on the swim platform there is little room if any to walk across the swim platform; that walkway above is great to have.
    The difference between the 3116TA and 3126TA is 1.1 and 1.2 liters per cylinder more HP and Torque on the 26 but the 3126 has a raw water cooled aftercooler which I don't really care for albeit a cooler intake charge.... Either of the engines are a good selection in the later S/N's which a model year 2000 is a late S/N. Note that these engines do not have electronic controls consequently less prone to failure due to electrical issues. The only electrical thing that needs to operate is the fuel solenoid which I carry a spare; never have needed it but if I didn't have it I'd need it.......
    Now for gasoline vs diesel; if you are spending time on a lake, day trips, and no, call it, endurance runs like to the Abaco's, gasoline is perfectly fine. Typically, with gasoline however, there are more hazards to deal with (flammability and CO) and insurance may be a bit higher and at 22,000 pounds you will be at pretty much the limit a gasoline can produce from a torque aspect. Many will agree these boats are at the limit for gasoline power. There is no replacement for the torque of the Cat engines and the diesel powered boats will pretty much run away from the same under gas power. Going in cost for diesel is higher but they will hold value and be more "marketable" down the road, condition being the same on both. For me it's a safety thing and reliability thing; the diesel is the better choice...
    Oh and I get right at 0.9MPG Diesel at 22 knots - Gasoline is not near that mark.
     
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2016
  13. RollerCoastr

    RollerCoastr Well-Known Member

    Nov 15, 2007
    Cedar Point, OH / Miami, FL / MacRay Harbor, MI
    1997 400DA
    340HP 7.4 Mercruiser Bluewaters
    Garmin 741, 742, 8212, 24HD, Intellian I2
    1999 280BR
    Twin 250HP Merc 350 Alpha Ones
    2000 was an "overlap". SeaRay made both 400 and 410's for that model year.
     
  14. RollerCoastr

    RollerCoastr Well-Known Member

    Nov 15, 2007
    Cedar Point, OH / Miami, FL / MacRay Harbor, MI
    1997 400DA
    340HP 7.4 Mercruiser Bluewaters
    Garmin 741, 742, 8212, 24HD, Intellian I2
    1999 280BR
    Twin 250HP Merc 350 Alpha Ones
    ...and just for the record, the 3126 weren't offered in the 400DA.
     
  15. ttmott

    ttmott Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    Not at the same time though. They terminated production on the 400 in 99 and picked up with the 410 in 99. The last 400 may have on the line with the first 410 right behind it....
     
  16. Bucit

    Bucit New Member

    Mar 12, 2010
    St. Petersburg Florida
    2005 280 Sundancer
    2004 SPD-104 Achilles w/ 8hp Yamaha
    Twin 4.3 MPI's with Alpha drives.
    Coming from someone who is running Chrysler motors.....seriously? :smt017
     
  17. carterchapman

    carterchapman Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor SILVER Sponsor

    Mar 25, 2008
    Lake Chickamauga/Marietta, GA/Ft. Myers, FL
    2006 Sea Ray 58 DB
    MAN CRM V8-900s, Twin Disc Drives; Onan 21.5 Generator
    "Never pick a fight with a man who owns a Chrysler product...'cause he's mad already"
     
  18. Strypes

    Strypes Member

    736
    Dec 10, 2015
    Catawba Island
    12 Meter Trojan International Motor Yacht
    210 Sea Fox Center Console
    Avon 3.11 RIB
    454 Crusaders
    V6 Mercury Saltwater 150HP
    4 Stroke 5HP Mercury
    What? :huh:

    Thanks in advance!
     
  19. Strypes

    Strypes Member

    736
    Dec 10, 2015
    Catawba Island
    12 Meter Trojan International Motor Yacht
    210 Sea Fox Center Console
    Avon 3.11 RIB
    454 Crusaders
    V6 Mercury Saltwater 150HP
    4 Stroke 5HP Mercury
    That's funny! LOL!

    I like my engines though! I have had zero problems, so far... knock on wood! I'm also confident that I can work on them or fix them if need be! I don't know anything about fixing diesels.

    I know that on our next boat we want diesels, especially if it's 40' or longer!

    Cheers
     
  20. northshore

    northshore Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jan 17, 2011
    Cleveland, OH
    1989 340 Sundancer
    Raymarine E90W Radar/Chartplotter
    Twin 454 Mercruiser 340's
    I wouldn't let the 'Grand Poobah' of the Hole In the Water Club hear you say that.... Might be fightn' words :smt021
     

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