Brunswick selling off Sea Ray brand

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by KnotEasy, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. AKBASSKING

    AKBASSKING Active Member

    Apr 13, 2008
    SE Alaska Summer/Columbia River winter
    1988 Yacht Fisher
    Twin 375hp Cat 3208 T/A
    Time for ADD to be deleted from this forum??
     
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  2. KnotEasy

    KnotEasy Member

    248
    May 14, 2013
    Whitehall, Mi.
    205 Sport
    5.0L MPI
  3. boatman37

    boatman37 Well-Known Member

    Jun 6, 2015
    pittsburgh
    1986 Sea Ray 250 Sundancer
    5.7 Merc
    You are right about the anomaly. Because most her age don't put as much effort in. And no luck here. She busted her butt, so much so that I have told her to ease off a little so she doesn't burn herself out. She sent me a text with a pic of her last pay stub...$99,408.99 (dated 12/8/17) and still one more pay to go. That particular check was $7484.18. Obviously I can't post a pic of it here and even if I did well I could probably have got the image from the internet. But believe what you will.
     
  4. AKBASSKING

    AKBASSKING Active Member

    Apr 13, 2008
    SE Alaska Summer/Columbia River winter
    1988 Yacht Fisher
    Twin 375hp Cat 3208 T/A
    Dang I was late. My bad....
     
  5. BlewByYou88

    BlewByYou88 Member SILVER Sponsor

    954
    Jul 24, 2010
    Arizona
    268 Sea Ray Sundancer 1988
    2X 4.3L 4bbl Mercs w/ Alphas
    Wow....That was a read....Think I need a cocktail.

    My only hope, is that whoever buys the company, regardless of market trends, does not sacrifice the Sea Ray brand/quality to make cheaper/chinsey boats. I'm scared it will go like the Mariah brand, once a quality boat, sold off to Sea Fox, another company banks on the brand, and makes a crappier version, and now, dead and gone.

    There has been a heck of a shift in AZ markets, new runabouts are not the cool thing to have. Its all tow boats (Wakeboard/Surf) and Pontoons.

    The trends are making me realize one thing. It will drive the parts markets ever higher. Look at what has happened to autozone and O'reilly, they realized people are keeping their old stuff longer, and just fixing it. They are doing great (According to their stocks) but the new car sales markets and aren't that strong. I feel Brunswick is following this business trend. People aren't buying as many new boats due to price tags, but are doing a lot for repair/restoration. That means if you are the leading supplier of parts, you are going to have a lot of business.

    Just my $.000001
     
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  6. david kudley

    david kudley New Member

    7
    Dec 6, 2015
    Jacksonville fl.
    Searay 420ac, 2001 with solar panels
    cummns
    The money is in the bank before the keel is blocked.
    Follow the stock mkt. the bucks are there. Not enough retired to buy for cash to support the operations of Searay.
    Searay needs to stay in the boat business they are good at and be the best of any builder
     
  7. danziger

    danziger New Member

    20
    Jan 6, 2018
    Pensacola, FL
    2016 330 Sundancer
    6.2 Mercruisers
    We have a 2015 Cobalt R5. You won't be disappointed. Great boats!
     
  8. BillK2632

    BillK2632 Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jun 25, 2009
    Lake Norman, NC
    1999 185 Bowrider,
    Mercruiser 4.3, Alpha I
    Yes, looking for a used R5 or a 242. Marina I am at sells them and the more I see the more I like. Not impressed by the newer stying of SeaRays.
     
  9. Jeff h

    Jeff h Member

    35
    Sep 17, 2017
    2017 Sea Ray SPX 210
    4.5 merc, Alpha drive

    Interesting. We are the opposite. We just this fall picked up a new SPX SeaRay, having been unimpressed with the Cobalt and Crownline offerings.
     
  10. Bridog

    Bridog Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Oct 4, 2006
    Gulf Shores AL / Brick NJ
    2016 19SPX OB
    Mercury 150 4S OB
    Yeah but the Cobalt line has much better brochures.
     
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  11. danziger

    danziger New Member

    20
    Jan 6, 2018
    Pensacola, FL
    2016 330 Sundancer
    6.2 Mercruisers
    Well, everybody's needs and tastes are different, but for a day-boat/runabout, Cobalt is easily our favorite.
     

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  12. KnotEasy

    KnotEasy Member

    248
    May 14, 2013
    Whitehall, Mi.
    205 Sport
    5.0L MPI
    SPX is a price point boat, Cobalt's are definitely not. If it meets your budget, does what you need, that is what really matters.
     
  13. mobocracy

    mobocracy Member

    255
    Jun 29, 2014
    United States
    310 Sundancer
    350 Mag & Bravo III
    I don't think much of this really surprises me. Keeping a boat is a major expense and I don't think Sea Ray has done very much to improve on this.

    But part of me isn't sure how they could have, really. Cruisers are a mishmash of parts from dozens of vendors. No boat builder actually makes toilets or generators or bilge pumps or air conditioners, etc. I think it's in the nature of the product to be fairly complex and a design challenge to make work, let alone make work with easy maintenance and repair.

    I suspect Sea Ray could use this as a chance to reboot the product line both for market demand and to make their own products like cruisers more affordable. Breaking away from Mercury will be a good thing because they could totally reboot their propulsion with other engines. I'd like to see a Sundancer with jet drives and I don't see why they couldn't partner with Hamilton. Hickley has made it work and I think water jets reduce maintenance and damage risk and couple easily to joystick control systems.

    They could also work a lot harder a designs that make maintenance easier.
     
  14. AKBASSKING

    AKBASSKING Active Member

    Apr 13, 2008
    SE Alaska Summer/Columbia River winter
    1988 Yacht Fisher
    Twin 375hp Cat 3208 T/A
    Keep in mind when using jet units, expect a 40% power drop when compared to props
     
  15. mobocracy

    mobocracy Member

    255
    Jun 29, 2014
    United States
    310 Sundancer
    350 Mag & Bravo III
    I could live with it if it meant no outdrive maintenance.
     
  16. FootballFan

    FootballFan Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 20, 2012
    Florida
    Marquis 59
    MTU Series 60
    Used to have a jet powered boat. Hardest boat to dock or handle in tight situations I have ever been on.

    I put some fins on, helped a little bit. But when you killed the power, wind and/or current would spin you like a top. Oh, and on all I have seen there is no true neutral.
     
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  17. Thornton69

    Thornton69 Member

    272
    Sep 15, 2014
    Northern BC
    1980 24.5' SR custom hardtop
    1984 18' Valco sled
    1984 20' Alicraft- sold
    5.7 260 Merc/ Bravo 2
    Evanrude 115/80 jet
    With a single, I find a jet much more maneuverable at minimal/no speed when set up with dual hand controls. It allows simultaneous operation of steering and bucket with higher rpm's. You can spin them on a dime and actually walk them sideways with some practice. Fuel economy and crap restricting the intake were the biggest downfall for me. Best for shallow water imo.
    Will be interesting to see what happens with Sea Ray. They have a lot of fans and for good reason.
     
  18. FootballFan

    FootballFan Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 20, 2012
    Florida
    Marquis 59
    MTU Series 60
    Maybe totally off track here - but thinking Sea Ray announced Jets in mid 20's boats 3-4 years ago. Partnership with a german company. Then they seemed to go away.
     
  19. mobocracy

    mobocracy Member

    255
    Jun 29, 2014
    United States
    310 Sundancer
    350 Mag & Bravo III
    I had one too and agree that low speed maneuvering could be a challenge. That being said, Hinckley has done a great job with jet maneuverability with their jetstick control system.

    I think larger jets (other than Yamaha or other runabout types) usually have a gearbox of some kind which can enable a true neutral that disengages the impeller. I'm not sure if they include a reversing gear or not, although I can see where it would be helpful to blow out obstructions on the intake. That was my only gripe late in the season when weed growth got high, although I think a weed cutter on the impeller shaft might have helped.
     
  20. my3sons

    my3sons Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Feb 24, 2009
    Upstate NY (lake Erie)
    2004 400DB, Onan 9 kw Gen, Highfield RIB,
    Cummins 6CTA
    A friend in the Palm coast area sent me this article this morning.
     

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