420/44 DB Owners Club

Discussion in 'Sport Yachts/Yachts' started by Alex F, Jan 21, 2011.

  1. Alex F

    Alex F Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 14, 2006
    Miami / Ft Lauderdale
    2005 420DB with AB 11 DLX Tender, Raymarine Electronics (2x12" MFDs) with Vesper AIS
    Cummins 450Cs, 9KW Onan Generator, 40HP Yamaha for tender.
    Years ago I installed 3 wolverine heaters (both engines + genny). They only lasted for about 1.5-2 years. The one on the genny worked longer. I wouldn't buy them again, unless going with a timer to explicitly control the operation time.
     
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  2. Alex F

    Alex F Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 14, 2006
    Miami / Ft Lauderdale
    2005 420DB with AB 11 DLX Tender, Raymarine Electronics (2x12" MFDs) with Vesper AIS
    Cummins 450Cs, 9KW Onan Generator, 40HP Yamaha for tender.
    I never measured it as well, but I believe that the whole point of V-drives is to push the bulkhead into ER for maximizing the cabin space. As you recall, the DB bulkhead is right by the galley.
     
  3. Bruce SEA 993

    Bruce SEA 993 Well-Known Member

    344
    Aug 17, 2016
    La Conner, WA
    Queen of Hearts
    2007 Sea Ray 44 Sedan Bridge
    (LG111) Apex RIB 25 HP
    Past: 2000 Sea Ray 380
    Cummins QSC500s
    Looks like I am going to go with the Xtreme 800 Watt unit.

    Thanks for all of the input!

    Cheers!
     
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  4. Bruce SEA 993

    Bruce SEA 993 Well-Known Member

    344
    Aug 17, 2016
    La Conner, WA
    Queen of Hearts
    2007 Sea Ray 44 Sedan Bridge
    (LG111) Apex RIB 25 HP
    Past: 2000 Sea Ray 380
    Cummins QSC500s
    I have a big marina project underway and am going to be around most of the fall. I am chair of the Harbor Committee and we have an experienced marina builder that is part of the community and he is in charge of the actual construction. The committee will be volunteering on all of the support functions. We are dredging the harbor and installing 5 new docks.

    So, anyhow, I will be around a lot so I have time for my projects.

    Next one up in the queue is a new VHF radio. The cord is about gone on the NS 100.

    I am debating between the IC M424G iCom and the Standard Horizon GX2400. I want built in GPS.

    Any one have experience between the two?

    Also, I want a "black box" type of remote radio but iCom is so back ordered that I gave up on getting one. I was wondering if anyone has installed one where the Auto pilot is. I have a replacement AP that is smaller and there is a plate there to cover it. I could move the AP closer to the helm...under the edge of the wheel. It would be a little more convenient that reaching over to the navigators side of things.

    Helm.jpg
     
  5. Bruce SEA 993

    Bruce SEA 993 Well-Known Member

    344
    Aug 17, 2016
    La Conner, WA
    Queen of Hearts
    2007 Sea Ray 44 Sedan Bridge
    (LG111) Apex RIB 25 HP
    Past: 2000 Sea Ray 380
    Cummins QSC500s
    Here is an update on the washlet toilet seat install.

    It fits really well in the area. It does not have the fixed handle on the right side like some do.

    Toilet Seat (2).jpg

    Here are the controls. Very simple as it is not an electric seat with heated seat and heated water.

    Toilet Controls (2).jpg

    The plumbing fitting that comes with the seat has an odd size unless you are connecting it onto a regular household toilet. Those are 7/8 thread "ball cock" threads. So I cut the hose and inserted a tee with 1/2 inch barb fittings for the hose and 3/8 adapter for the hose to the seat that came with it.

    Toilet Plumbing (2).jpg

    The paper towel is below to signal any leaks.

    I am used to the heated water at home so it will be interesting how much of a shock this is.

    We have really nice, for us, fall weather so we are going out on Sunday for 3 or 4 days.

    Cheers!
     

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  6. Bruce SEA 993

    Bruce SEA 993 Well-Known Member

    344
    Aug 17, 2016
    La Conner, WA
    Queen of Hearts
    2007 Sea Ray 44 Sedan Bridge
    (LG111) Apex RIB 25 HP
    Past: 2000 Sea Ray 380
    Cummins QSC500s
    AEO, this is a non electric unit. Water only otherwise it would have to be on an inverter circuit.

    There is not any inverter outlets close by and I feel we can rough it!
     
  7. AEO

    AEO Active Member

    348
    Feb 6, 2019
    2008 44DB
    GHS Swim Platform
    2018 AB w 15hp Merc
    Cummins QSC500’s
    yeah, sorry. I missed that important detail in your post. I quickly tried to delete my comment but you were too quick.

    I guess you could perhaps find a way to tap in some warm water in winter ;-)
     
  8. AEO

    AEO Active Member

    348
    Feb 6, 2019
    2008 44DB
    GHS Swim Platform
    2018 AB w 15hp Merc
    Cummins QSC500’s

    I do very much like your plumbing
    You did a great job with the plumbing - I will follow your lead.

    Mine are electric so I’ll need to install either a single inverter for both toilets or 2 inverters one for each.
     
  9. Bruce SEA 993

    Bruce SEA 993 Well-Known Member

    344
    Aug 17, 2016
    La Conner, WA
    Queen of Hearts
    2007 Sea Ray 44 Sedan Bridge
    (LG111) Apex RIB 25 HP
    Past: 2000 Sea Ray 380
    Cummins QSC500s
    I, originally wanted some nylon or FRP fittings for their lighter weight so it did not put a load on the hose as it is just hanging there without support. As it turns out, the blue hose is stiff enough so it does not matter.
     
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  10. boaterholic

    boaterholic Active Member

    385
    Jan 2, 2021
    Welaka, FL
    2005 420 Sedan Bridge (in purchase process)
    Diamond Performance Series 430HP 6CTA 8.3M's
    I'm looking for thoughts on inverters for the 420/44 boats. I would like to add solar to my boat this fall/winter, as well as an inverter system.
    Should I look at an inverter only vs inverter/charger, considering the boat already has dedicated chargers for the 12 volt and for the 24 volt systems?
    Should I look at 12 volt inverter connected to main batteries or should I look at 24 volt inverter connected to the thruster batteries?
    Thanks
     
  11. dtfeld

    dtfeld Water Contrails GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 5, 2016
    Milton, GA
    410 Sundancer
    2001
    12" Axiom and 9" Axiom+ MFD
    Cat 3126 V-Drives
    I have a 12V inverter charger. If I were to redo it ( and I have thought about it), I would go with a 24V system from the thruster bank. The wire/connections are much cheaper/easier to work with. Also a built in Automatic Transfer Switch is a must have in my book.

    Look at Victron, they have great equipment.
     
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  12. Irie308

    Irie308 Well-Known Member

    May 28, 2013
    CT
    2004 420 DB, GHS Hydraulic Lift
    Garmin 8600/Garmin 1222 plus
    AB Mares 10 VSX with 30 hp Tohatsu
    Cummins 450C 8.3 L Turbocharged
    Planning to start work on my raw water cooling side. First I'm going to flush with barnacle buster then remove the aftercooler for cleaning. I've done the flush in the past on land but this time it will be in water. My question is what's the best way to cap off the cooling line to the shafts. While out of the water I just plug the hose but wondering best way to cap the hose barb at shafts. I see there is a small plastic cap attached but not sure if trust that to stop water from coming in when I take the hose off. Any thoughts? Was thinking of getting a small hose with a plug already installed and using that.
     
  13. boaterholic

    boaterholic Active Member

    385
    Jan 2, 2021
    Welaka, FL
    2005 420 Sedan Bridge (in purchase process)
    Diamond Performance Series 430HP 6CTA 8.3M's
    I’ll look into the 24volt set up. I think member Tom C here told me his is using the thruster batteries as well. And Victron is the brand I’d like to use.
    Anybody else have input I’d appreciate it. Thanks
     
  14. boaterholic

    boaterholic Active Member

    385
    Jan 2, 2021
    Welaka, FL
    2005 420 Sedan Bridge (in purchase process)
    Diamond Performance Series 430HP 6CTA 8.3M's
    I did my flush with boat in the water, and I put small bolt in the hoses and clamped off, and the barbs I used piece of tubing with bolt clamped and that worked fine.
     
  15. Irie308

    Irie308 Well-Known Member

    May 28, 2013
    CT
    2004 420 DB, GHS Hydraulic Lift
    Garmin 8600/Garmin 1222 plus
    AB Mares 10 VSX with 30 hp Tohatsu
    Cummins 450C 8.3 L Turbocharged
    That's what I'm thinking. Thanks
     
  16. Mark.60

    Mark.60 Well-Known Member

    507
    Sep 6, 2020
    Westbrook Connecticut
    2007 44 sedan bridge
    Cummins qsc 500
    Last year I installed a 1200 watt inverter for the TV and blue ray player. I used the 24 volt system as I never use the bow thruster.
     
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  17. RBB

    RBB Well-Known Member

    Dec 18, 2019
    Kentucky
    2006 44DB
    2019 Sea Doo GTX 155
    Pelican Kayak
    2004 390 MY Sold
    Cummins QSC 500
    we flush with antifreeze in winter and use electric space heaters for cabin. no issues.
     
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  18. ttmott

    ttmott PhD in OCD TECHNICAL Contributor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    What do you want to power with an inverter? Do you know the maximum current and duration needed?
    Regarding the solar cells - It's an investment for not; you'll never get enough acreage to make a difference in charging within a reasonable timeline. Let's say you were able to install 600 watts of cells on the boat which on the roof you will be around 60% efficient on a sunny day which is an effective 360 watts which is 15 amps at best and probably 12 amps at the batteries. Peeing in the ocean, so to speak.
    Inverter and Charger or Inverter/charger - there are two camps on that where separate provides somewhat a level of isolation and redundancy but combined provides a level of automation that is really nice. The reliability of the Victron Inverter/Chargers is very good so risk is somewhat reduced to ensure you can charge the batteries. The generator is required in either case however. You still have the engine's alternators also if using those battery banks.
     
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  19. Jeff Carrick

    Jeff Carrick Member

    42
    Aug 8, 2020
    2006 44 Sedan Bridge
    Twin Cummins QSC 500
    I now have the trim piece the backing plate and the original window, however damaged for sale. I went in a different direction and purchased the Bomar replacement option with opening functionality. I will let everything go for $200 plus shipping. I’m into the singular stainless trim piece for 150 and you cannot source the backing plate because they don’t make them anymore. See pictures attached
     

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  20. bajturner

    bajturner Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Aug 17, 2010
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    2008 44 Sedan Bridge
    2017 Avon 380DL RIB w/ Yamaha 40
    2019 Sea-Doo GTX
    2020 Sea-Doo RXT-X
    Twin QSC-500 HO
    I was considering upgrading this portal to an opening version. I assume you are happy with the qualify of the new hardware?
     

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