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TotallyGross said:
My port side 110 receptacles are not coming on. I found a GFCI in the galley island. I found one in the master head cabinet.
My breaker is on. Is their a fuse behind my cabinet for 110v receptacles ?
Any other GFCI I am missing before I start taking stuff apart?
UPDATE! Found it. GFCI in the guest head cabinet. All is good again. Lol
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I was just about to say check the guest head. I know that because that’s “my” head. The first mate/admiral gets the master.
 
So last week I had the wonderful surprise while being in 4-6 foot seas about 10 miles from destination and suddenly my emergency water alarm sounds. All guages in check. I run down and check the bilge, yup! almost a foot of water. I see it coming from port engine side. OK-shut down. Water still flowing. Pull the salon apart from everything packed in there for the week trip with another couple. I pop the main hatches and climb on top of the old 450 diamond series and what can I feel? Raw water coming from the lower fuel cooler hose- solid 1 1/2 inch crack 29700.jpeg Cummins-Marine-6CTA-Engine-Hoses-AC-side-with-all-Fuel-Lines-1024x657.png -see images for location and crack-. Shut the seacock and had no problem limping in at 5 knots. (3 of the miles was harbor entrance) get to the slip and in no prob. Now for the fun part! Do I have the part? nope. how long to get? from Sea Ray Dealer I was actually at?? Wed to Friday of this week! nope. not going to work. I pulled the easily accessible starboard one and put it on the port. Good luck if you ever have to do that. It is the worst place to access, well almost. (From the bruising my arm literally looks like a cheetahs strips as does half my body from running and slamming into everything) I grabbed a piece of 2" exhaust hose and cut and fitted it on the 1.75 to 1.875 and fit it for a ride home on starboard with no dripping. But I did order replacement upgrade of Silicone for both upper and lower to go on ASAP onto both screws (SBMAR.com #16 and #17 in image) Save old intact for emergency. Just another item to add to parts box! Sorry for such a long story, but thought everyone loves a great one as long as it is not them!
 
JASON P GRIFFITH said:
So last week I had the wonderful surprise while being in 4-6 foot seas about 10 miles from destination and suddenly my emergency water alarm sounds. All guages in check. I run down and check the bilge, yup! almost a foot of water. I see it coming from port engine side. OK-shut down. Water still flowing. Pull the salon apart from everything packed in there for the week trip with another couple. I pop the main hatches and climb on top of the old 450 diamond series and what can I feel? Raw water coming from the lower fuel cooler hose- solid 1 1/2 inch crack View attachment 108397 View attachment 108398 -see images for location and crack-. Shut the seacock and had no problem limping in at 5 knots. (3 of the miles was harbor entrance) get to the slip and in no prob. Now for the fun part! Do I have the part? nope. how long to get? from Sea Ray Dealer I was actually at?? Wed to Friday of this week! nope. not going to work. I pulled the easily accessible starboard one and put it on the port. Good luck if you ever have to do that. It is the worst place to access, well almost. (From the bruising my arm literally looks like a cheetahs strips as does half my body from running and slamming into everything) I grabbed a piece of 2" exhaust hose and cut and fitted it on the 1.75 to 1.875 and fit it for a ride home on starboard with no dripping. But I did order replacement upgrade of Silicone for both upper and lower to go on ASAP onto both screws (SBMAR.com #16 and #17 in image) Save old intact for emergency. Just another item to add to parts box! Sorry for such a long story, but thought everyone loves a great one as long as it is not them!
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Holy cow... everyone's worst nightmare! Glad you caught it and identified it in a timely manner! Creative fix, too, to keep you going while dealing with parts' lead times. We are in a difficult time in our economy where if you need anything fast, you're likely SOL. And with short boating seasons, we can't be sidelined waiting for parts. Really happy for you that you are able to boat on! Congrats!

Oh, and btw, I really like the name of your previous boat, the Outrage.... :)
 
I bet that was a load of fun with a hot engine. Nice save bud.
Were the bilge pumps keeping up at that point or was it over taking them ? I often wonder how fast I can unload the crap in the salon if I need rip the engine doors open in the salon.
 
TotallyGross said:
I bet that was a load of fun with a hot engine. Nice save bud.
Were the bilge pumps keeping up at that point or was it over taking them ? I often wonder how fast I can unload the crap in the salon if I need rip the engine doors open in the salon.
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I can get down there pretty quickly from the aft cockpit. But doing that, I might be entering a flooded cave and could drown in there. (sorry, I'm joking to make light of a really serious situation) Probably safer to enter from the salon.

I'm also curious how good of a job the bilge pumps were doing. I'm thinking they weren't keeping up or you wouldn't have had a foot of water and alarms...?
 
Scooper321, LOL I still have these boats. Going to name the tender of "L-Attitude II" a new name this weekend to "Lil' Tude!"

TotallyGross and Scooper321 I grabbed a throw rug covering the kitchen floor and threw it over it to help protect me. Pumps had no problem keeping up while she was running for the 3 min it took me to get down there. I did "fly like the wind" on pure adrenaline while clearing the space. I would have climbed in thought back hatch had I been concerned with the water level but a cool head prevailed and said to myself "it's a blown hose. By the time I idled down and got the hatches open even with the engine running water was contained to the basic stern pump alone and not the backup...

FYI Worst case I know the engine pumps about 65GPM (full criuse) raw water- That comes to 3900 GPH and much less at idle or just above idle. I made a mental note of this when I replaced all three bilge pumps with 2500GPM- more than enough coverage if I blew a hose. If you don't have it here is the spec sheet of the 450 diamonds attached.
 

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JASON P GRIFFITH said:
So last week I had the wonderful surprise while being in 4-6 foot seas about 10 miles from destination and suddenly my emergency water alarm sounds. All guages in check. I run down and check the bilge, yup! almost a foot of water. I see it coming from port engine side. OK-shut down. Water still flowing. Pull the salon apart from everything packed in there for the week trip with another couple. I pop the main hatches and climb on top of the old 450 diamond series and what can I feel? Raw water coming from the lower fuel cooler hose- solid 1 1/2 inch crack View attachment 108397 View attachment 108398 -see images for location and crack-. Shut the seacock and had no problem limping in at 5 knots. (3 of the miles was harbor entrance) get to the slip and in no prob. Now for the fun part! Do I have the part? nope. how long to get? from Sea Ray Dealer I was actually at?? Wed to Friday of this week! nope. not going to work. I pulled the easily accessible starboard one and put it on the port. Good luck if you ever have to do that. It is the worst place to access, well almost. (From the bruising my arm literally looks like a cheetahs strips as does half my body from running and slamming into everything) I grabbed a piece of 2" exhaust hose and cut and fitted it on the 1.75 to 1.875 and fit it for a ride home on starboard with no dripping. But I did order replacement upgrade of Silicone for both upper and lower to go on ASAP onto both screws (SBMAR.com #16 and #17 in image) Save old intact for emergency. Just another item to add to parts box! Sorry for such a long story, but thought everyone loves a great one as long as it is not them!
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This is a little late for you, but I have two fairly new lower and upper fuel cooler hoses. Because I permanently removed the fuel coolers. You can have them if you want them.
 
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ZZ13 said:
This is a little late for you, but I have two fairly new lower and upper fuel cooler hoses. Because I permanently removed the fuel coolers. You can have them if you want them.
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I appreciate it but they shipped and are going to be here for Friday. Hopefully someone will take you up on this! Question, why remove the fuel coolers?
 
I was wondering if there are any better designs out there, (or fixes) to solve rain water entering the aft cockpit? Believe it or not, I think I still have the 'stock' canvas for the aft cockpit. Whenever it rains, water comes in, down the steps and soaks everything before hitting the stbd floor drain, (port floor drain on the project list for later this summer/fall). Rain water either runs down the side deck, or down the canvas and into the aft cockpit. It would be great to reduce the water coming in.

Here are a couple of pix, of the current canvas design on my boat:
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Thanks,

Dave
 
What is the original battery charger model for our boats? The parts manual only gives a Sea Ray number. It’s a 120V, 12V/40A charger, but how many banks? What are people replacing it with?
 
scooper321 said:
What is the original battery charger model for our boats? The parts manual only gives a Sea Ray number. It’s a 120V, 12V/40A charger, but how many banks? What are people replacing it with?
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I replaced with Promariner Pronautic 1240p. It’s very popular. 3 banks. One for each engine battery pair and one for generator.
 
My brand new to me 2000 has a promariner and a mastervolt which I an sure are not orginal.
Would like to know which battery does what as the manuel is very vague. We have a small battery on each side of the generator, four large batteries in the port aft corner by the water tank and two in a box on the floor between the two engines. The two in the box measure 12.7 volts while all the others measure 13+ volts while on shore power.
 
Njlarry said:
My brand new to me 2000 has a promariner and a mastervolt which I an sure are not orginal.
Would like to know which battery does what as the manuel is very vague. We have a small battery on each side of the generator, four large batteries in the port aft corner by the water tank and two in a box on the floor between the two engines. The two in the box measure 12.7 volts while all the others measure 13+ volts while on shore power.
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I have a similar set up. I have one battery on the starboard side of the genny for starting it.
4 batteries to the port side of it. 2 for each engine and one group of them is for the house DC power. The 2 between my engines is for my bow thruster.
 
ZZ13 said:
I replaced with Promariner Pronautic 1240p. It’s very popular. 3 banks. One for each engine battery pair and one for generator.
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I feel this may be in my (near) future. We were on the boat at the dock yesterday - I had cleaned all of the boat's the strainers to make me feel like I had accomplished something - and just chilling. In the middle of the afternoon, all three CO detectors started beeping: 3 quick bursts, repeated every 30 sec or so. These were the 3 Xintex ones, all powered by 12V. I know my detectors are old, but they don't all go into expiration in the same minute of the same day. Last time this happened was just after I finished season one with the boat. The cause was dead batteries. At that time they were dead, pretty dry batteries. Back then I tried bringing them back to life with distilled water, but it was not to be. So I replaced them. Fast forward to yesterday and I started checking DC voltages and they were way low on both battery banks. I opened up the batteries and while they were low on water, none of the four had any plates showing above the water line. So they hadn't been cooked, right? I added distilled water to all four and ran the boat engines for a while to (hopefully) charge them up a bit. The DC voltage did come back up, so that was encouraging. I then had to leave for the night, so I left the boat with the AC converter ON (as I always do). I'm going to run down at lunch and see if the voltage is still normal.

Because I had this same behavior once before, I'm thinking one solution is to get 4 new batteries. But I'm also wondering if the charger has died. When we noticed the DC voltage misbehavior yesterday the boat was plugged into the dock pedestal, the pedestal was ON (as were all of my breakers) and the AC CONVERTER was ON. AC devices on the boat were working fine. So I'm trying to understand why the batteries wouldn't have been kept charged? I'm thinking either the charger died, allowing the batteries to drain, or the batteries are actually dead. Back in post #3318 Prosideus mentioned that one sign he needed a new charger was that needed to replace batteries annually. I've gotten not quite 2 seasons out of mine, which isn't great. So I may have a similar situation: if the batteries are dead, it probably means the charger is killing the batteries early. Thoughts?

Bill (@ZZ13), you mentioned the ProNautic 1240P. Isn't that from the same company (Promariner)? Any concerns there? And did you do this change yourself? Conceptually, it looks pretty easy as far as boat projects go - especially if I remove/replace the batteries at the same time and remove the battery boxes to give maximum access to the charger...
 
Yes, I swapped it in myself. Pretty easy. If I remember I think the original clamped bare wires in place from the batteries and the new ones had posts for ring connectors. So I had to add ring connectors to the ends of the four battery wires (3 banks and the ground).
 
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