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Hellman Huddle said:
You are exactly right! In case like this, the owner and buyer are crazy. First, the owner, $6000 is about a years worth of dockage and not to mention the other carrying cost like the possibility of having to do a bottom job. Second, the buyer, if this is the boat you really want then find ways to make up some of that $6000 you are being such a hard tail about like give me a full tank of fuel, which could be up to $2000 or dockage until you get settle in. Personally, I am not comfortable wasting peoples time over such a small amount of money. I haven't sold a lot of boats but I have sold a lot of houses and wouldn't let a house not get sold over $6000. Between house payment, insurance, taxes, utilities, that $6000 dollars gets gone quick and after 5-6 months you are now losing money. Therefore, I think both of y'all are stubborn, but more to the seller than than the buyer. I think most people realize the amount of time it takes to find the right boat and when you do you need to make the deal.
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I'm glad you are doing so well that $6,000.00 is a mere pittance. To some people $6k is alot of money or at least enough to draw the line. If you READ THE WHOLE THREAD you will see that Russ' is expecting to have to dump an additional $20-$30K into this boat to get it up to his standards. Does that reach your threshold of consideration? If not, good for you!! Maybe you should buy the boat. I don't know what you paid for your 260 but I would guess that you did some haggling along the line until you reached a deal amenable to BOTH parties. If you just walked in and said "Hey I don't want to waste your time, here's my checkbook. You fill in the blanks!" then I have some property I'd like to sell you. PM to follow!

If you look at this thread from beginning all Russ was asking was were his expectations of the NEGOTIATION PROCESS unreasonable? He has never asked someone what to sell his current boat for. He has also not asked anyone what the other boat is worth. I love all of the people here telling the man how to spend his money!! You guys must know him better than me or have access to his financials because I know I certainly am in no position to tell anyone here what they can and can't afford!
 
tdschafer said:
I'm glad you are doing so well that $6,000.00 is a mere pittance. To some people $6k is alot of money or at least enough to draw the line. If you READ THE WHOLE THREAD you will see that Russ' is expecting to have to dump an additional $20-$30K into this boat to get it up to his standards. Does that reach your threshold of consideration? If not, good for you!! Maybe you should buy the boat. I don't know what you paid for your 260 but I would guess that you did some haggling along the line until you reached a deal amenable to BOTH parties. If you just walked in and said "Hey I don't want to waste your time, here's my checkbook. You fill in the blanks!" then I have some property I'd like to sell you. PM to follow!

If you look at this thread from beginning all Russ was asking was were his expectations of the NEGOTIATION PROCESS unreasonable? He has never asked someone what to sell his current boat for. He has also not asked anyone what the other boat is worth. I love all of the people here telling the man how to spend his money!! You guys must know him better than me or have access to his financials because I know I certainly am in no position to tell anyone here what they can and can't afford!
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moparlvr4406 said:
Brother...I was thinking the same thing
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Come on guys, this is a transaction about a "high six figure number" and a 3% difference between the seller and buyer. That is a difference of $900 to a guy buying a $30,000 boat or $150 to a guy buying at $5,000. You guys saying you wouldn't cough up the $900 or the $150 if the seller wouldn't budge? I do not think so. "To some people $6k is alot of money or at least enough to draw the line" they have NO business negotiating on a "high six figure number" vessel. It is all a matter of perspective.

There is no exact price for anything, it is what a buyer and seller agree on, most things like boats we can look at recent sales and get an idea what others value the property at and work from there. In negations there are two types of value verifiable and emotional, verifiable is in a say 10% range and validated by an appraisal. Emotional values are the small percentages not quantifiable by any scientific method, only by subjective methods. This situation is in the emotional value range for both parties. This is not to say these emotional values are right or wrong only to point out their existence and subjective nature. Hellman is saying he doesn't let the emotional value range deter him from buying or selling as is his prerogative.

Russ must do what he must do and in his defense he did bridge the gap by $6,000 already and got nothing back from the seller. MM
 
MonacoMike said:
Come on guys, this is a transaction about a "high six figure number" and a 3% difference between the seller and buyer. That is a difference of $900 to a guy buying a $30,000 boat or $150 to a guy buying at $5,000. You guys saying you wouldn't cough up the $900 or the $150 if the seller wouldn't budge? I do not think so. "To some people $6k is alot of money or at least enough to draw the line" they have NO business negotiating on a "high six figure number" vessel. It is all a matter of perspective.

There is no exact price for anything, it is what a buyer and seller agree on, most things like boats we can look at recent sales and get an idea what others value the property at and work from there. In negations there are two types of value verifiable and emotional, verifiable is in a say 10% range and validated by an appraisal. Emotional values are the small percentages not quantifiable by any scientific method, only by subjective methods. This situation is in the emotional value range for both parties. This is not to say these emotional values are right or wrong only to point out their existence and subjective nature. Hellman is saying he doesn't let the emotional value range deter him from buying or selling as is his prerogative.

Russ must do what he must do and in his defense he did bridge the gap by $6,000 already and got nothing back from the seller. MM
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good point on the perspective of what "alot" is
to me 6k is alot but I won't be negotiating in the "high six figures" soon
 
MonacoMike said:
Russ must do what he must do and in his defense he did bridge the gap by $6,000 already and got nothing back from the seller. MM
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Neither Russ or the seller is wrong. They have both reached the line that they are not presently willing to cross.
I said in an earlier post that negotiations do not follow a direct linear progression. They also should not be influenced by mathematical manipulations of "3% of this is less than 3% of that".
Those arguments don't mean squat when both parties have spent a considerable amount of time in negotiation. One going up and one going down. So they don't meet. So what?
I am sure you have heard the cynical old saying that a good deal is when both parties think they screwed the other one. It is all in the perception of your own position and what is best for you either as a buyer or as a seller. The actual dollar values mean nothing.
 
tdschafer said:
......If you READ THE WHOLE THREAD you will see that Russ' is expecting to have to dump an additional $20-$30K into this boat to get it up to his standards. Does that reach your threshold of consideration?......
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This is exactly the delema Russ is dealing with. It's not a plain vanilla $6K. Without going in to specifics in Russ's case I'll use mine since it was very similar when I was negotiating 400DB. The selling price was reasonable until I've learned that I needed to invest $32K to get her to my standards. So, let's say the boat is $150K that looked very attractive, but now at $182K it's very different feeling. In my case I went back and asked seller to contribute fixing only functional items like generator's head, leaking bow thruster tube, etc. that came to about $7K. I'm reasonable guy and I never expect a seller to pay for things on my wish list like KVH, upgraded TV, davits, ect.

Anyway, the bottom line is that Russ's situation is similar and without even having hull and mechanical survey done he estimates $20K-$30K investement. So, what he's trying to do before spending thousands of dollars on surveys is to have the seller to come down just another $6K. In this case Russ would have to spend around $18K-$24K. Since the seller said no (for now) Russ's bottom line question is, when all is set and done is the boat worth extra $25K-$30K (assuming the seller's prediction that she'll pass the survey just fine)?

As far as I understand Russ's intention of the thread was to get other opinions and considering that the seller dropped the price is Russ being reasonable to ask for additional discount? Russ, please correct me if I'm wrong. I say that Russ has every right to do so and it is reasonable considering that he outlined his reasons and the list that makes $20K-$30K.
 
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Come on guys, this is a transaction about a "high six figure number" and a 3% difference between the seller and buyer. That is a difference of $900 to a guy buying a $30,000 boat or $150 to a guy buying at $5,000. You guys saying you wouldn't cough up the $900 or the $150 if the seller wouldn't budge? I do not think so. "To some people $6k is alot of money or at least enough to draw the line" they have NO business negotiating on a "high six figure number" vessel. It is all a matter of perspective.

There is no exact price for anything, it is what a buyer and seller agree on, most things like boats we can look at recent sales and get an idea what others value the property at and work from there. In negations there are two types of value verifiable and emotional, verifiable is in a say 10% range and validated by an appraisal. Emotional values are the small percentages not quantifiable by any scientific method, only by subjective methods. This situation is in the emotional value range for both parties. This is not to say these emotional values are right or wrong only to point out their existence and subjective nature. Hellman is saying he doesn't let the emotional value range deter him from buying or selling as is his prerogative.

Russ must do what he must do and in his defense he did bridge the gap by $6,000 already and got nothing back from the seller. MM
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Mike,
***I'm sorry pal but you are talking apples and oranges here. I drop $150 without thinking much about it. $900 is some consideration but I'm still on my own. When you are talking $6k now my wife is involved in the conversation and this opens up a whole new can of worms. So you can't really follow your anology here. I know Russ stated that his wife has obviously been involved in this purchase from the beginning since we are talking a "High six figure" purchase. So now he is negotiating on two fronts if you will. One with the seller and one with his wife. I don't recall if you are married or not. If you are I don't need to say anything but if your not, we married men must choose our battles wisely.

***I'm sorry here Mike but who are you to tell someone what they have business doing or not doing? You come off as one of those big government guys that you have railed against so often on this forum. No one is in a better position to determine what he "has no business" engaging in than the person doing the engaging!! How dare you or anyone here tell Russ what he should or shouldn't do. You are not his mother and he is not a child! Geez, really?

***I have the opposite take on your assumption here. Russ is being very pragmatic in his approach to this purchase as dictated by his posts in this thread. He has considered the purchase price, upgrade costs, wifes comfort zone and bottom line he is willing to extend himself. Hellman seems to be the emotional one stating that if he was this close ($6k) he would just forget about the concrete considerations, throw caution to the wind , and pony up!! That my friend is your emotions overtaking your predetermined plan!

Once again let me state that Russ was not asking what he should or shouldn't spend! It was the fact as the negotiations were moving forward and then suddenly stopped. He was asking if this has happened to others and was this the norm for others during a negotiation process? I would venture a guess that we have all had different results over the years in regard to various negotiations. I also believe that $6k can be the breaking point for, yes even a "high six figure" purchase. There is only so much nickle and diming that some people can take when either buying or selling something. I have bought and sold several houses in my life all in the multiple six figure range. I can tell you that more than one deal was killed over excessive negotiating where I just walked away. So it can easily happen on a boat purchase. IMHO !!!
 
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I have to tell you, after reading this whole thread I'm not looking forward to negotiating the sale of my boat and the purchase of a new one....my broker will be earning his commission on my side of both deals. Good luck Russ, I for one think you've got your head screwed on straight on this one and are just being methodical in your approach.
 
Alex F said:
This is exactly the delema Russ is dealing with. It's not a plain vanilla $6K. Without going in to specifics in Russ's case I'll use mine since it was very similar when I was negotiating 400DB. The selling price was reasonable until I've learned that I needed to invest $32K to get her to my standards. So, let's say the boat is $150K that looked very attractive, but now at $182K it's very different feeling. In my case I went back and asked seller to contribute fixing only functional items like generator's head, leaking bow thruster tube, etc. that came to about $7K. I'm reasonable guy and I never expect a seller to pay for things on my wish list like KVH, upgraded TV, davits, ect.

Anyway, the bottom line is that Russ's situation is similar and without even having hull and mechanical survey done he estimates $20K-$30K investement. So, what he's trying to do before spending thousands of dollars on surveys is to have the seller to come down just another $6K. In this case Russ would have to spend around $18K-$24K. Since the seller said no (for now) Russ's bottom line question is, when all is set and done is the boat worth extra $25K-$30K (assuming the seller's prediction that she'll pass the survey just fine)?

As far as I understand Russ's intention of the thread was to get other opinions and considering that the seller dropped the price is Russ being reasonable to ask for additional discount? Russ, please correct me if I'm wrong. I say that Russ has every right to do so and it is reasonable considering that he outlined his reasons and the list that makes $20K-$30K.
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I’ll be the hard a$$ seller. I got a good boat and priced it accordingly, the price even attracted you. I don’t care who’s dropping 15-20% of asking because I’m not. I already did some of that when I set the original asking price. I don’t care if you want to stick 30k more into it, that’s your decision, your looking at what I’m selling. Ya it’s coming due for some bottom paint, & isinglass, and the electronics are outdated but it’s a used boat I’m selling and it‘s priced like one. So your unhappy about how I negotiate, well I wonder why you think negotiations always have to end up dead in the middle, kind of ruins the whole process in my opinion. How about some creativity in your offers, who knows were they would have led.
 
Russ Calasant said:
Well, I spent the last two weeks in a bidding tennis match going back and forth. Quite painful actually. I wish I had good news to report but the owner has stopped and refused to go any lower. We ended up $12k apart on a high six figure number. I came half way and offered $6k more and he is staying at his previous number, now $6k away from my last offer. His broker suggested I wait for winter to settle in. I cannot extend my self any further. I suppose there is not much else I can do but keep looking, this is not all fun. He has dropped 10-11% from asking price and it was a fair starting price. In this climate I expected more flexibility, I guess you never know the circumstance. Is 15-16% too much to ask? Or did I just answer my own question!? Did I miss anything?
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This is the original question.

Woody said:
I’ll be the hard a$$ seller. I got a good boat and priced it accordingly, the price even attracted you. I don’t care who’s dropping 15-20% of asking because I’m not. I already did some of that when I set the original asking price. I don’t care if you want to stick 30k more into it, that’s your decision, your looking at what I’m selling. Ya it’s coming due for some bottom paint, & isinglass, and the electronics are outdated but it’s a used boat I’m selling and it‘s priced like one. So your unhappy about how I negotiate, well I wonder why you think negotiations always have to end up dead in the middle, kind of ruins the whole process in my opinion. How about some creativity in your offers, who knows were they would have led.
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sfergson727 said:
Woody and I think alike....
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Guys,
I get it and I believe Russ does too. Negotiations don't always end in the middle. That's why they are negotiations. Without knowing the particulars we can't say who is a "Hardass" or not. I don't believe I ever saw Russ call the boat owner anything negative nor do I think his question is so out of line as others would have us think. Put yourselves in his shoes for a moment. He's negotiating along progressing slowly then after weeks of back and forth it stops abrubtly! He's a little confused as he probably had already ordered the custom mugs and throw pillows with the boats name on them. Now he gets no response from the seller, nada, not even this is my final final number. Russ, you can correct me if I am wrong here.

Now he turns to his comrades on CSR to ask if they had ever experienced this is their previous negotiations, he apparently had not. He also asks if 15-16% off list was asking too much. Another way to put it is "If you were selling your boat, how much over your bottom line would you think is an acceptable starting point?". I saw some great responses here and as usual, some not so great.

Woody, Scott- You guys usually come across as intelligent guys to me. Your answer to his question I guess would be "Russ, 15-16% is too much to ask off in my opinion." A few good points as to why would be helpful if you felt so inclined. We all understand that this is a used boat and things will come as they are accordingly. Now, none of us know what the starting price was or what options etc. come with the boat. We are speaking in generalities here and I think the answers should reflect that.

Russ,
Good luck with the hunt. I'm sure things will work out as they should for you.
 
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Woody said:
I’ll be the hard a$$ seller. I got a good boat and priced it accordingly, the price even attracted you. I don’t care who’s dropping 15-20% of asking because I’m not. I already did some of that when I set the original asking price. I don’t care if you want to stick 30k more into it, that’s your decision, your looking at what I’m selling. Ya it’s coming due for some bottom paint, & isinglass, and the electronics are outdated but it’s a used boat I’m selling and it‘s priced like one. So your unhappy about how I negotiate, well I wonder why you think negotiations always have to end up dead in the middle, kind of ruins the whole process in my opinion. How about some creativity in your offers, who knows were they would have led.
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I think you’re being too defensive and got slightly off track here. A CSR friend came here for advice from the buyer’s point of view. Taking seller’s side doesn’t help at all in this case.

When it comes to selling your boat, I understand your point and it's valid only if you priced the boat according to the selling market price. Everyone thinks he’s got good/great/excellent boat and tries to price it as high as possible. The current market will dictate how off you really are. There’s a fine line between theoretical and practical sides. The percentage you’ll have to drop the price will simply depend on your initial price and the condition of your boat. If you price her in the range of low end priced boats, then obviously the additional discount to make the deal might be minimal since you priced it low and the phone doesn’t stop ringing. On the other hand, If you price your boat just above middle price range of similar boats and you will be a true “hard a$$” seller, you will never sell your boat. A simple proof to my statement is the fact that I see boats on the market that I saw more than a year ago. I say that these people don’t really need to or don’t really want to sell their boats.

My previous two boats were in outstanding condition. They clearly stood out of the crowd of the same models. When selling my 240DA I received several compliments from surveyor hired by the buyer. I work very hard for my money and fight hard if I have to lose any. However, I’m looking at things very realistically and if I wasn’t flexible to a reasonable degree I would never be able to upgrade and enjoy my current boat.

This thread has a lot of good points, but let’s try to stay on the track of helping our CSR friend who’s trying to buy the boat of his dream.
 
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MonacoMike said:
Come on guys, this is a transaction about a "high six figure number" and a 3% difference between the seller and buyer. That is a difference of $900 to a guy buying a $30,000 boat or $150 to a guy buying at $5,000. You guys saying you wouldn't cough up the $900 or the $150 if the seller wouldn't budge? I do not think so. "To some people $6k is alot of money or at least enough to draw the line" they have NO business negotiating on a "high six figure number" vessel. It is all a matter of perspective.

There is no exact price for anything, it is what a buyer and seller agree on, most things like boats we can look at recent sales and get an idea what others value the property at and work from there. In negations there are two types of value verifiable and emotional, verifiable is in a say 10% range and validated by an appraisal. Emotional values are the small percentages not quantifiable by any scientific method, only by subjective methods. This situation is in the emotional value range for both parties. This is not to say these emotional values are right or wrong only to point out their existence and subjective nature. Hellman is saying he doesn't let the emotional value range deter him from buying or selling as is his prerogative.

Russ must do what he must do and in his defense he did bridge the gap by $6,000 already and got nothing back from the seller. MM
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Mike,
***I'm sorry pal but you are talking apples and oranges here. I drop $150 without thinking much about it. $900 is some consideration but I'm still on my own. When you are talking $6k now my wife is involved in the conversation and this opens up a whole new can of worms. So you can't really follow your anology here. I know Russ stated that his wife has obviously been involved in this purchase from the beginning since we are talking a "High six figure" purchase. So now he is negotiating on two fronts if you will. One with the seller and one with his wife. I don't recall if you are married or not. If you are I don't need to say anything but if your not, we married men must choose our battles wisely.

This comment makes it seem you have not been involved in many "high six figure number" transactions. At your and my level our wifes would demand to be consulted but to many of the folks with the money to buy toys in the "high six figure number" that is what they spend routinely because the percentages do carry with the wealth and high incomes. This is not all but some people and not about Russ.

***I'm sorry here Mike but who are you to tell someone what they have business doing or not doing? You come off as one of those big government guys that you have railed against so often on this forum. No one is in a better position to determine what he "has no business" engaging in than the person doing the engaging!! How dare you or anyone here tell Russ what he should or shouldn't do. You are not his mother and he is not a child! Geez, really?

YES, REALLY. That is my opinion and I am entitled to it. This clearly was not directed to Russ, but if the shoe fits wear it. I'm not proposing a law but responsibility. If a guy cant afford repairs if he strikes a prop he shouldn't buy the boat. We all must live within our budget. If I was given a million dollar boat I could not afford it as the ongoing cost would eat me up, that was the perspective I was trying to convey

***I have the opposite take on your assumption here. Russ is being very pragmatic in his approach to this purchase as dictated by his posts in this thread. He has considered the purchase price, upgrade costs, wifes comfort zone and bottom line he is willing to extend himself. Hellman seems to be the emotional one stating that if he was this close ($6k) he would just forget about the concrete considerations, throw caution to the wind , and pony up!! That my friend is your emotions overtaking your predetermined plan!

Again this WAS NOT about Russ it was an explanation of the psychology of negations and what I understood Hellman to be adding.

Once again let me state that Russ was not asking what he should or shouldn't spend! It was the fact as the negotiations were moving forward and then suddenly stopped. He was asking if this has happened to others and was this the norm for others during a negotiation process? I would venture a guess that we have all had different results over the years in regard to various negotiations. I also believe that $6k can be the breaking point for, yes even a "high six figure" purchase. There is only so much nickle and diming that some people can take when either buying or selling something. I have bought and sold several houses in my life all in the multiple six figure range. I can tell you that more than one deal was killed over excessive negotiating where I just walked away. So it can easily happen on a boat purchase. IMHO !!!

This is a toy purchase of a known depreciating liability, not an asset, and not a home purchase. Yes, I'm confident million dollar deals have been terminated over less than 6k, but you miss the point that 6k is not a scientifically provable value in a $200k negotiation. It is ONLY an opinion.
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Todd, you seem to take this thread personally, we are just answering how we interpret the question and responding to other posts. Not all posts are directed to Russ and his situation and may be more academic in nature such as mine above. I do not personally know any of the parties involved, as most of us here. These discussions are public to benefit all not just the OP, that is why they are archived and searchable. I stand by my previous comments and will try to expand them a bit. MM
 
MonacoMike said:
Todd, you seem to take this thread personally, we are just answering how we interpret the question and responding to other posts. Not all posts are directed to Russ and his situation and may be more academic in nature such as mine above. I do not personally know any of the parties involved, as most of us here. These discussions are public to benefit all not just the OP, that is why they are archived and searchable. I stand by my previous comments and will try to expand them a bit. MM
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Mike,
I am not taking this personally. I did have the opportunity to meet Russ and his wife at the MYC rendevous this past August. He and the Mrs. are awesome people from my limited experience knowing them. That being said, I tend to take this position when ANY OP starts getting attacked by the masses on this forum when he has done nothing to instigate it. You need look no further than Gofirstclass' Hawker Thread to see that I defended him when those attacks began. We have both been on this forum for about the same amount of time and I'm sure you have seen this countless times too.

Although you state that your comments weren't directed at Russ, this is his thread. It is hard to see a different target of your criticisms in the body of your responses. You are entitled to your opinions, as we all are. But, if you read what you wrote it certainly appears to be directed to the OP. If I were you I wouldn't expect an invite out on Russ' new boat when he purchases one! :lol:
 
Alex F said:
I think you’re being too defensive and got slightly off track here. A CSR friend came here for advice from the buyer’s point of view. Taking seller’s side doesn’t help at all in this case.

When it comes to selling your boat, I understand your point and it's valid only if you priced the boat according to the selling market price. Everyone thinks he’s got good/great/excellent boat and tries to price it as high as possible. The current market will dictate how off you really are. There’s a fine line between theoretical and practical sides. The percentage you’ll have to drop the price will simply depend on your initial price and the condition of your boat. If you price her in the range of low end priced boats, then obviously the additional discount to make the deal might be minimal since you priced it low and the phone doesn’t stop ringing. On the other hand, If you price your boat just above middle price range of similar boats and you will be a true “hard a$$” seller, you will never sell your boat. A simple proof to my statement is the fact that I see boats on the market that I saw more than a year ago. I say that these people don’t really need to or don’t really want to sell their boats.

My previous two boats were in outstanding condition. They clearly stood out of the crowd of the same models. When selling my 240DA I received several compliments from surveyor hired by the buyer. I work very hard for my money and fight hard if I have to lose any. However, I’m looking at things very realistically and if I wasn’t flexible to a reasonable degree I would never be able to upgrade and enjoy my current boat.

This thread has a lot of good points, but let’s try to stay on the track of helping our CSR friend who’s trying to buy the boat of his dream.
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I’ll be the hard a$$ seller.
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The Devils Advocate I was playing, I warned you all. Really I don't see how much can be said. The first post questioned whether a further drop was too much to ask. Apparently the owner thought it was and he knows the situation better than anyone. How would any of us know unless we saw the boat? In that light I think the devil in me illustrated points as valid as any others that were posted.
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He has dropped 10-11% from asking price and it was a fair starting price. In this climate I expected more flexibility, I guess you never know the circumstance. Is 15-16% too much to ask? Or did I just answer my own question!? Did I miss anything?
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Guys, the coupling of buyer and seller doesn't always end in orgasm. Find another one and keep workin on it.:grin:
 
Woody said:
The Devils Advocate I was playing, I warned you all. Really I don't see how much can be said. The first post questioned whether a further drop was too much to ask. Apparently the owner thought it was and he knows the situation better than anyone. How would any of us know unless we saw the boat? In that light I think the devil in me illustrated points as valid as any others that were posted.


Guys, the coupling of buyer and seller doesn't always end in orgasm. Find another one and keep workin on it.:grin:
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You crack me up Woody!:smt043
 
Maybe it's just me, but if I'm looking at a boat and it needs $30k right off the bat, I'll put it on my watch list but will continue looking.
 
tdschafer said:
I'm glad you are doing so well that $6,000.00 is a mere pittance. To some people $6k is alot of money or at least enough to draw the line. If you READ THE WHOLE THREAD you will see that Russ' is expecting to have to dump an additional $20-$30K into this boat to get it up to his standards. Does that reach your threshold of consideration? If not, good for you!! Maybe you should buy the boat. I don't know what you paid for your 260 but I would guess that you did some haggling along the line until you reached a deal amenable to BOTH parties. If you just walked in and said "Hey I don't want to waste your time, here's my checkbook. You fill in the blanks!" then I have some property I'd like to sell you. PM to follow!

If you look at this thread from beginning all Russ was asking was were his expectations of the NEGOTIATION PROCESS unreasonable? He has never asked someone what to sell his current boat for. He has also not asked anyone what the other boat is worth. I love all of the people here telling the man how to spend his money!! You guys must know him better than me or have access to his financials because I know I certainly am in no position to tell anyone here what they can and can't afford!
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To answer your question, Yes! His negotiation procedure is unreasonable. He should not expect the seller to lower his price so that he can purchase all of the upgrades that he wants. Which goes back to my original comment that he is trying to purchase a boat out of his price range if $6000 is a deal breaker. Apparently he needs to step down a couple feet so that he can get the luxuries he wants. He stated that the boat was in his price range, but apparently it wasn't based on his wants & needs. But, like I said before, the seller is the one that is really making the mistake. You cannot let emotions get in the way because in the long rong you will pay for your stubbornness.

And of course everybody haggles, you are crazy if you don't. But don't waste peoples time over such a s small amount of money. Do your research up front and find the exact boat you want in your price range, then haggle to get the best price. Sounds to me this boat was only a consideration if the price was at a certain point.
 
Hellman Huddle said:
To answer your question, Yes! His negotiation procedure is unreasonable. He should not expect the seller to lower his price so that he can purchase all of the upgrades that he wants. Which goes back to my original comment that he is trying to purchase a boat out of his price range if $6000 is a deal breaker. Apparently he needs to step down a couple feet so that he can get the luxuries he wants. He stated that the boat was in his price range, but apparently it wasn't based on his wants & needs. But, like I said before, the seller is the one that is really making the mistake. You cannot let emotions get in the way because in the long rong you will pay for your stubbornness.

And of course everybody haggles, you are crazy if you don't. But don't waste peoples time over such a s small amount of money. Do your research up front and find the exact boat you want in your price range, then haggle to get the best price. Sounds to me this boat was only a consideration if the price was at a certain point.
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Wow Hellman you have run this so far out in a ditch your actually professing to say my negotiation is unreasonable, I want the seller to lower his price so I can buy upgrades, I am buying a boat out of my price range, you know my wants and needs, the seller is emotional and stubborn, do my research, don't waste people's time over such a small amount of money and this boat was just a consideration??!! This is great, Im really very eager to read how it is you have come to form this "opinion". Please explain
 
Woody said:
The Devils Advocate I was playing, I warned you all. Really I don't see how much can be said. The first post questioned whether a further drop was too much to ask. Apparently the owner thought it was and he knows the situation better than anyone. How would any of us know unless we saw the boat? In that light I think the devil in me illustrated points as valid as any others that were posted

Guys, the coupling of buyer and seller doesn't always end in orgasm. Find another one and keep workin on it.:grin:
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Woody, the devils advocate would be great if , you said it yourself, you had the facts. Coupling of buyer and seller? Orgasm?! Well maybe you ought to start your own thread on buying a boat or new ways to pick up a significant other or whatever your fancy but I will stick to buying a boat, thanks! That is an odd analogy at best- good luck
 
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