This Smoking Ban Craze Has Gone Too Far!

Because you guys are bashing each other inappropriately and it is getting out of hand. If we could have an intelligent conversation about this, fine. But calling people stupid is just not helpful. It is getting to personal and once it gets to this point there is no good that will come of it at all. No place in a boating forum to be calling someone stupid for smoking. It is a personal preference. I happen to not agree with smoking but I will not go far enough to call someone stupid for doing so.
I do agree that is should be banned in certain places....which is what this thread was about but this thread has turned ugly, that is why I think it should be closed....JACK>>>
 
STIHLBOLTS said:
This topic is in the tank and that is where this kind of discussion is supposed to be. As long as name calling stays out of this it won't be closed.

Thank you very much! :grin:
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Name Calling who would do that:huh:
Where is Gary when you need him, I'm sure he has some good pictures he could post.:lol::smt043:lol:
 
I think smokers should be allowed to get in their car(with the windows up), and smoke to their heart's content.

-VtSeaRay
 
The problem comes in lawmaking where one side wants to restrict the other due to an "inconvenience," or "discomfort." The only place for legislation in the world is protecting one's self from others. Smoking should not be allowed in a closed-in public place. This is something every taxpayer owns, and no one should be allowed to affect others with their actions. The problem is, now the non-smoking side sees EVERYWHERE as their right to be with no smoke present. The fact is, unless you own a place, it should not be your right to impose your views on others in the place. (bars, resteraunts) This should be up to the people who own the place. If I own something, it should not be your right to comfort, it should be my goal.
 
jg300da said:
Don't ever assume that you know what another person here comprehends or doesn't, chuck1. Spotlights your ignorance.
I have more experience with the effects of second hand smoke than you will ever have. And THAT is the reason for the signage, laws, and banning of public smoking that is becoming more prevelant as noted in the original post.
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Since you are the one who assumed things and started making statements that you can not prove I guess it spotlights your ignorance. I'm glad you have some much experience with second hand smoke, why don't you go suck some more smoke so we can get this thread back on topic.
 
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trit21, just curious, why do you want this thread closed? I agree, namecalling has no place, but is this offending you? If there is no foul language, I don't see the problem. I think this goes further into the underlying issue. If you don't like a thread, don't read it. Just like if you don't like being around smoke, don't go in a smoking section.
 
A lung doctor once told me that if smokers are lucky, they'll get lung cancer. If they're unlucky they'll get emphysema. Here's wishing chuck1 the best of luck...
Enjoy the rest of the thread.
 
jg300da said:
A lung doctor once told me that if smokers are lucky, they'll get lung cancer. If they're unlucky they'll get emphysema. Here's wishing chuck1 the best of luck...
Enjoy the rest of the thread.
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Just showing your ignorance again, why do you think I'm a smoker and what does that have to do with the topic of this thread:huh:
 
That is kind of like a guy I work with; he knows nothing about how the government operates, yet is still a tree hugging hippie liberal, and whenever he is losing an argument he just says something mean, and walks away.
 
garryowen said:
right on!!!!!!!!!!

ban everything your mouse finger cant stop your eyes from reading if you dont like it:smt038
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STIHLBOLTS; unfortunately my parkisons tremors effect my wrighting and seeing. i often need to proof read my post 3 times or more before i see my mistakes.

i have corrected it and appricate you bringing it to my attention.
any way the point is;take the resopnsiablity for you own finger when you click and your own eyes when you read something you dont like.
we have banned plenty of things in this country for the good of masses but at great expense to personal rights

sort of like the point the OP was trying to make
 
jg300da said:
A lung doctor once told me that if smokers are lucky, they'll get lung cancer. If they're unlucky they'll get emphysema. Here's wishing chuck1 the best of luck...
Enjoy the rest of the thread.
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This is why I think it should have been frozen, you could see it coming. Someone else wishing someone else a disease. There is just no call for this.
Whether you like it or not, your action of smoking affects the people around you and those that are inconsiderate of their actions are what ruins it for the many that are considerate.
I wish this could have been a civil discussion, but it gets out of hand. From the one thing I have learned on forums, not everyone plays nicely.
 
i dont smoke and never have. i dont have a dog in this fight other than every right you take from them, makes it that much easier to take from you and i
smokers are bearing the brunt of the few that are beating them with there moral and personal rights stick.
there are plenty of laws to protect the non smoker.
give them a break. any one else rember a bunch of guys that dressed up like indians and thru a bunch of tea in the water once
 
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True, there is no call for that. However, there is no call for censorship of this either, because there is no foul language, and no physical harm being done. I believe you just don't agree with one point of view, and do not wish to see something you do not agree with. This is real life, not everyone is considerate of others, this does not mean we need to ban them from society.
 
jg300da said:
A lung doctor once told me that if smokers are lucky, they'll get lung cancer. If they're unlucky they'll get emphysema. Here's wishing chuck1 the best of luck...
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Gee...that was adult. Unfortunately, comments like that result when you are losing an argument.

The argument is not whether smoking is bad for you...no debate. The argument is whether people such as yourself have a moral right to stop others from partaking when it doesn't affect them directly...and if you take the affirmative, where does the moral argument stop? Are you comfortable with the idea that a group of Chuck1's could decide not to let you run your boat outdoors because of its secondary impact on the environment? If you are...then you have my respect and salute. I applaud people who are philosophically consistent (most aren't).
 
JediJD said:
Gee...that was adult. Unfortunately, comments like that result when you are losing an argument.

The argument is not whether smoking is bad for you...no debate. The argument is whether people such as yourself have a moral right to stop others from partaking when it doesn't affect them directly...and if you take the affirmative, where does the moral argument stop? Are you comfortable with the idea that a group of Chuck1's could decide not to let you run your boat outdoors because of its secondary impact on the environment? If you are...then you have my respect and salute. I applaud people who are philosophically consistent (most aren't).
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That's the point I was trying to make, but the comeback of your stupid or smoke in your car with the windows all the way up doesn’t seem like a compromise to me.

Then again there is no compromising with some people,
 
jg300da said:
A lung doctor once told me that if smokers are lucky, they'll get lung cancer. If they're unlucky they'll get emphysema.
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+1 on the 'luck' joke.

The next question is which is more expensive for the rest of us? Chemo is pricey, but so's a decade's worth of O2 bottles and home care. Having to pay to keep those idiots alive is yet another reason it's a stupid habit best eliminated entirely.
 
wkearney99 said:
+1 on the 'luck' joke.

The next question is which is more expensive for the rest of us? Chemo is pricey, but so's a decade's worth of O2 bottles and home care. Having to pay to keep those idiots alive is yet another reason it's a stupid habit best eliminated entirely.
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+1 on "That's pretty adult" to you as well

Do I get to choose not to care for fat people? How about liver problems for problem drinkers...I don't particularly want to support that. AID's maybe? Again, the issue is not whether smoking is bad for you...it is. The issue is the limit you will accept with respect to your behavior in exchange for the limits you wish to impose on others.
 
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