58 Sedan Bridge Official Thread

ranger58sb said:
Ummm... Jeff, can you elaborate on how to get "the AV rack" out? Or even what constitutes "the AV rack"?

Remove both upper and lower cabinet doors? And I'm pretty sure the drawer will come out before having identified "the AV rack"...

I looked at the thing a bit this morning, can't exactly tell what's supposed to move, or how anything comes out or apart.

I'm OK tracing/understanding/re-doing the wiring and electronics, but I'm really not so great at cabinetry... so I haven't been able to tell what's joined, where.

And then I got distracted on a different project, proving the original microwave doesn't work, identifying/ordering a like replacement, etc.... <sigh>...

-Chris
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Chris

What he is referring to is open the two cabinet doors. Each hinge has a quick release. Release the bottom hinge then the top hinge. Set the door aside. Repeat on the other door. Once both doors are removed, you can pull the drawer out until it stops. On each rail there is a plastic release lever. Push each simultaneously and pull the drawer out all the way. It is heavy so I would place carpet on the floor to set it on. You can then see all of the AV wiring.

Ken
 
@ranger58sb just to clarify on to what Ken said. He is referring to the lower cabinet doors. Nothing to do with the upper cabinet. Also, the “drawer” he refers to is actually the media “rack” not the narrow drawer under the tv. The Bose, direct tv receiver, etc is mounted in a slide out rack. Get your fingers in between the Bose and the trim or any other opening on that front trim piece and pull - the whole thing will slide out. Once out, you can unclip the drawer slides and pull it all the way out. Once it’s out, take a deep breath, and then look inside at the spaghetti bowl of wires and start clipping wire ties.
 
OK guys, thanks, that'll help. I'll have a go as soon as I get a chance...

-Chris
 
carterchapman said:
Hi Scott,

Our SubZero Freezer went out two years ago. Parts were covered under the 12 year warranty, but labor was "flat rate" to replace the parts - $1750 - what a ripoff! Only took the tech 3 hours.

I'm working with my fwd A/C as well - HI PS - trying a high pressure fw flush - not much flow, but it will work off a hose. I'll have to barnacle bust next. Sea Ray must have heated the 1/2" ID hose to fit it on the 3/4" manifold in front of the stbd engine. I found the fwd A/C outlet goes to the port common drain next to the water tank, So it's "hose rigging" time for me as well.
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Yes we have a subzero at home, so not looking forward to that service, but they are really nice drawers.

All our A/C lines are 5/8" i.d.

I used 1/2" pex to build my manifold, with a valve for each zone and just slip the 5/8" hose right over the 1/2" pex. The valves were $12each, I think $10 for a pack of three Tee's and $5 for a length of pex.

I was stupid and bought 5/8 tubing at almost $2 a foot to connect everything up, should have bought a cheap garden hose.

I'll snap a picture of my setup when I hook it back up.
 
Went up to Reward yesterday and disconnected my high pressure dock water flush from the fwd A/C line at the manifold. Looks like it worked - no HI PS on the fwd unit anymore.
 
missnmountains said:
What he is referring to is open the two cabinet doors. Each hinge has a quick release. Release the bottom hinge then the top hinge. Set the door aside. Repeat on the other door. Once both doors are removed, you can pull the drawer out until it stops. On each rail there is a plastic release lever. Push each simultaneously and pull the drawer out all the way. It is heavy so I would place carpet on the floor to set it on. You can then see all of the AV wiring.
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tc410 said:
@ranger58sb just to clarify on to what Ken said. He is referring to the lower cabinet doors. Nothing to do with the upper cabinet. Also, the “drawer” he refers to is actually the media “rack” not the narrow drawer under the tv. The Bose, direct tv receiver, etc is mounted in a slide out rack. Get your fingers in between the Bose and the trim or any other opening on that front trim piece and pull - the whole thing will slide out. Once out, you can unclip the drawer slides and pull it all the way out. Once it’s out, take a deep breath, and then look inside at the spaghetti bowl of wires and start clipping wire ties.
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Finally! I'm in, so to speak. :)

And I see what you all mean about the wiring.

Actually, my short-term goals are modest:
1) route saloon TV sound to the Bose (should be easy, with a digital optical audio cable)
2) display DVD video from Bose to saloon TV (even if not great)
3) route the antenna coax direct from Glomex splitter to saloon TV (assuming it's maybe not, already)

2) Turns out the wiring DOES already include the Boze conversion gizmo for routing composite/S-video output to component input to the TV. DVD audio works fine, but no DVD video on the TV, though. Bose system control info doesn't display on the TV either. I'll probably try bypass existing wiring to see what's what...

3) The TV's tuner has picked up some DTV air stations before, when we've been in various locations. None now, even though my predictor tools suggest we should receive 10-12 air channel groups. Can't tell yet whether from signal blockage, signal attenuation through the rat's nest of antenna coax, shakey tuner (the picture has some flaws, could be the whole TV is suspect), or some combo of all that and/or other stuff.

As someone has mentioned, adding a Blu-Ray player to the mix oughta work easily, or maybe Bose has an updated surround sound controller with tuner/DVD-BD player etc. and actual HDMI audio/video output.

Just being able to see the wiring has moved me leaps forward, though, so thanks all for the pointers.

-Chris
 
ranger58sb said:
Finally! I'm in, so to speak. :)

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As someone has mentioned, adding a Blu-Ray player to the mix oughta work easily, or maybe Bose has an updated surround sound controller with tuner/DVD-BD player etc. and actual HDMI audio/video output.

Just being able to see the wiring has moved me leaps forward, though, so thanks all for the pointers.

-Chris
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Chris,

All of my TV's are upgraded Smart TV Samsung's with HDMI inputs. Adding a Blue-Ray player to each was an easy chore. All my sound runs through the Bose as well. I don't get any OTA TV reception in my slip, but I do out on the water...
 
Yep, two of our household TVs are smart Samsungs, each with a Samsung DVD/Blu-ray player, so that's what we'll likely do in the boat when I get a round tuit.

I made progress yesterday: TV sound to the Bose (easy, optical cable), and Bose DVD output to the TV (oddly, also easy). Some idiot had reversed the blue/green component video wires. DVD picture quality is about as good as DVD picture quality ever was with a component video connection, not high-def Blu-ray, not horrible. Pretty much same as what we had in the previous boat, using an older DVD player and component video connection to the (pre-smart) Samsung TV we had there. About 99% of our discs are DVD, not Blu-ray, so this set-up will tide us through for awhile I work on other stuff.

I only made a little progress with the OTA TV thing. Discovered the Glomex A/B box had no power. Nada. Wires actually snipped. Maybe by the same idiot. I used a portable powered rabbit ears inside to prove (enough) that the TV tuner seems to work, which seems logical since we've had OTA station available a few times before. (Not sure how, given Glomex situation.) The temp set-up wasn't good enough to actually display stations, but the tuning info said it found 5, so I'll hope that reconnecting the Glomex A/B box will be an improvement.

Because of that, I had to work out a way to test the optical audio... with no real TV reception. The Samsung TV on the boat is newer enough so it does "Screen Mirroring" -- something I hadn't encountered before. I used my phone to view youtube videos, mirrored those to the TV, and that proved I had TV sound through the Bose system. Interesting capability, since we can use wifey's Verizon phone to view our home FIOS channels, without data/air charges, as I understand it. Could mean we'll have some OTA (from time to time) plus our FIOS programming.

I didn't start removing wires, but I did disconnect KVH, Direct TV, and Sirius stuff. None of that stuff speaks to me, probably everything is obsolete anyway...

-Chris
 
ranger58sb said:
Yep, two of our household TVs are smart Samsungs, each with a Samsung DVD/Blu-ray player, so that's what we'll likely do in the boat when I get a round tuit.

I made progress yesterday: TV sound to the Bose (easy, optical cable), and Bose DVD output to the TV (oddly, also easy). Some idiot had reversed the blue/green component video wires. DVD picture quality is about as good as DVD picture quality ever was with a component video connection, not high-def Blu-ray, not horrible. Pretty much same as what we had in the previous boat, using an older DVD player and component video connection to the (pre-smart) Samsung TV we had there. About 99% of our discs are DVD, not Blu-ray, so this set-up will tide us through for awhile I work on other stuff.

I only made a little progress with the OTA TV thing. Discovered the Glomex A/B box had no power. Nada. Wires actually snipped. Maybe by the same idiot. I used a portable powered rabbit ears inside to prove (enough) that the TV tuner seems to work, which seems logical since we've had OTA station available a few times before. (Not sure how, given Glomex situation.) The temp set-up wasn't good enough to actually display stations, but the tuning info said it found 5, so I'll hope that reconnecting the Glomex A/B box will be an improvement.

Because of that, I had to work out a way to test the optical audio... with no real TV reception. The Samsung TV on the boat is newer enough so it does "Screen Mirroring" -- something I hadn't encountered before. I used my phone to view youtube videos, mirrored those to the TV, and that proved I had TV sound through the Bose system. Interesting capability, since we can use wifey's Verizon phone to view our home FIOS channels, without data/air charges, as I understand it. Could mean we'll have some OTA (from time to time) plus our FIOS programming.

I didn't start removing wires, but I did disconnect KVH, Direct TV, and Sirius stuff. None of that stuff speaks to me, probably everything is obsolete anyway...

-Chris
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An oddity on my system is the Smart TV optical out (Samsung) will not work when the TV is using the HDMI input. On my bridge television I have the optical out connected to the Fusion audio head so when we watch television on the bridge the audio is through the Fusion/JL stereo system. For OTA Glomex that is fed via coax to the television no issues but for the Sat HDMI feed no audio to the Fusion..... If this helps for the future upgrades to your system the below -
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ttmott said:
An oddity on my system is the Smart TV optical out (Samsung) will not work when the TV is using the HDMI input.
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Interesting... and seems odd, indeed. Thanks for bringing it up.

Previous boat, Samsung TV (OTA reception), Samsung Blu-ray, and a JVC AV/tuner/surround sound controller... we routed sound from both OTA TV and from Blu-ray to JVC via TOSLINK. Hence didn't discover that optical/HDMI conflict.

Had to use a switch for the TOSLINK cabling. (J-Tech JTDSW0301 3:1 digital optical audio switch.)

-Chris
 
ranger58sb said:
Interesting... and seems odd, indeed. Thanks for bringing it up.

Previous boat, Samsung TV (OTA reception), Samsung Blu-ray, and a JVC AV/tuner/surround sound controller... we routed sound from both OTA TV and from Blu-ray to JVC via TOSLINK. Hence didn't discover that optical/HDMI conflict.

Had to use a switch for the TOSLINK cabling. (J-Tech JTDSW0301 3:1 digital optical audio switch.)

-Chris
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I have a friend that is an A/V installer and he says there are settings in the "advanced" menu in the Samsung TV that will fix it but I haven't been able to navigate through that; I need to get him on the boat.
 
Generator question for you guys. Yesterday was the first time we have had the generator running when it's been flat calm with no wind. I noticed a very slight black smoke coming from exhaust that I have not noticed before, but nearly every other time we have anchored or been on a mooring it's been windy.

Is this normal, my last boat I never saw any smoke, but did get soot stains from it.

On our run home today we had super confused swells from TS Henri, just as I turned down sea to facilitate a bathroom break the generator shut down, with an "unknown error". The book lists just about every possible problem as a cause, but I haven't had time to look into it, as we prep for Henri. I am hoping the smoke and this are not related, and hope nothing serious happened.
 
swaterhouse said:
Generator question for you guys. Yesterday was the first time we have had the generator running when it's been flat calm with no wind. I noticed a very slight black smoke coming from exhaust that I have not noticed before, but nearly every other time we have anchored or been on a mooring it's been windy.

Is this normal, my last boat I never saw any smoke, but did get soot stains from it.

On our run home today we had super confused swells from TS Henri, just as I turned down sea to facilitate a bathroom break the generator shut down, with an "unknown error". The book lists just about every possible problem as a cause, but I haven't had time to look into it, as we prep for Henri. I am hoping the smoke and this are not related, and hope nothing serious happened.
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I can’t speak of the black smoke other than I’ve never noticed it… so something may be going on there. In regards to the shut down, I’m thinking the exhaust port became submerged long enough to stall the engine when you were turning. I’ve had it happen a couple of times. Did you try and restart it it?
 
swaterhouse said:
Generator question for you guys. Yesterday was the first time we have had the generator running when it's been flat calm with no wind. I noticed a very slight black smoke coming from exhaust that I have not noticed before, but nearly every other time we have anchored or been on a mooring it's been windy. 't see black smoke form ours, but if my dingy is tied up on the port rear, the RIBs will b=get a light caot of soot after a couple of days.

Is this normal, my last boat I never saw any smoke, but did get soot stains from it.

On our run home today we had super confused swells from TS Henri, just as I turned down sea to facilitate a bathroom break the generator shut down, with an "unknown error". The book lists just about every possible problem as a cause, but I haven't had time to look into it, as we prep for Henri. I am hoping the smoke and this are not related, and hope nothing serious happened.
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Scott,

I don't see black smoke from ours, but if I leave the dingy tied up to the port aft side, it will get a light coat of soot along the waterline. If we keep it on the stbd side, it doesn't get it.

Mine quit once when we went through some surface debris in a lock. It did give the High EGT code though...
 
cod said:
I can’t speak of the black smoke other than I’ve never noticed it… so something may be going on there. In regards to the shut down, I’m thinking the exhaust port became submerged long enough to stall the engine when you were turning. I’ve had it happen a couple of times. Did you try and restart it it?
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The exhaust getting submerged was very likely. I didn't restart because the first line of the trouble shooting guide was to verify no mechanical failure's. With the seas not being fun and us being only 45 minutes from the dock I left it as is.

Once the storm passes I will asses and restart from in engine room so I can hear if anything wonky is happening.

The soot on dinghy also happened on our last boat, so used to that.
 
Our original microwave/convection oven was a Panasonic NN-T888S, built in 2005 (according to the manufacturer's sticker). It began failing as we were making our way north...

I just replaced it with a Panasonic Home Chef 4-in-1 Multi-Oven, model NN-CD87KS, essentially the same unit except a bit taller (so with a very slightly larger interior) and now include an air fryer function.

Sea Ray's original installation must have assumed A) the original oven will never go south, and/or B) Panasonic or some other maker will always offer a replacement model of identical size. Uh, huh...

There's plenty of room in the original space for installation of the slightly taller new unit... but the front overhead trim piece needs to be raised, with in turn means some woodwork. Even given inadequate woodworking tools and skills, I muddled through.

-Chris
 
Entertainment system success! (First short-term level, that is.)

ranger58sb said:
Actually, my short-term goals are modest:
1) route saloon TV sound to the Bose (should be easy, with a digital optical audio cable)
2) display DVD video from Bose to saloon TV (even if not great)
3) route the antenna coax direct from Glomex splitter to saloon TV (assuming it's maybe not, already)
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ranger58sb said:
I made progress yesterday: TV sound to the Bose (easy, optical cable), and Bose DVD output to the TV (oddly, also easy). Some idiot had reversed the blue/green component video wires. DVD picture quality is about as good as DVD picture quality ever was with a component video connection, not high-def Blu-ray, not horrible. Pretty much same as what we had in the previous boat, using an older DVD player and component video connection to the (pre-smart) Samsung TV we had there. About 99% of our discs are DVD, not Blu-ray, so this set-up will tide us through for awhile I work on other stuff.

I only made a little progress with the OTA TV thing. Discovered the Glomex A/B box had no power. Nada. Wires actually snipped. Maybe by the same idiot.
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I was distracted by having to multi-process (the microwave replacement, some other stuff...) but finished up the TV/Bose thing yesterday, too. TV sound goes to the Bose surround sound system. DVDs on the Bose disc player display on the TV (quality is satisfactory, and I think we don't even own any Blu-ray discs). As of now, we're receiving something like 26 OTA stations (~7 channel groups) using the Glomex antenna with no amplification.

The idiot had not only reversed blue/green component video cables, he had also connected Bose TV audio IN to Samsung TV audio IN. Oddly enough, that didn't have much impact on TV sound.

The Glomex A/B-amplifier had no power, and I wasn't able to fully trace the wires to their source. I could probably just tap 12V from wherever to energize the Glomex box, but I'd prefer to eventually trace the original wiring, if I can, to discover why that's not powered up. In the meantime, that means I can't yet even tell whether the box works or not... so for this I simply bypassed it. I coupled the antenna coax directly to another coax cable leading to the TV. Viola! That means I've bypassed the splitter that would feed stateroom TVs, wherever it might be. Not to worry, I can look into all that later, perhaps a winter project.

While I had "the A/V rack" out, I also disconnected the KVH controller and the Direct TV box, removed some of that wiring... and added a mini-stereo (3.5mm)-to-RCA cable to the Bose AUX audio IN and left that dangling outside the rack, since that gives us a way to play an iPod (with something like 4000 songs) through the Bose.

-Chris
 
@ranger58sb nice work! One additional device I added was a Bluetooth dongle. You can buy them pretty cheap and plug your mini-jack into that to stream music from your phone and pandora etc. It works great but keep the device within Bluetooth range.
 
Hadn't thought of Bluetooth -- don't have music on phone or Pandora or any of that stuff -- but it's a good idea for future. Thanks!

-Chris
 
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