58 Sedan Bridge Official Thread

[ttmott]

I see that, now, thanks. There's a loose S-Video cable hanging behind the TV, so maybe that's what fed the original TV. The current Samsung doesn't have an S-Video connection. No VCR in sight...

The Bose manual describes an adapter that morphs a combination of their Composite Video (out) and S-Video (out) into a Component Video feed, and given we have some kind of Component Video feed connected to the TV, I'd been wondering if that was what I was seeing.

Doesn't work, though, and the TV doesn't receive Bose audio either... so I guess our Component video (in) and audio (in) connections on the TV must be something else...

-Chris

There is a work around. You will need the Bose system to provide video to the TV so you can set up the Bose system (it's interactive through the TV). So, there is a "Composite Video Out" RCA jack on the back of the Bose; use that to the TV's "Video In" RCA jack (usually orange or yellow in color). Then if you want the Bose system to provide audio to the TV (don't know why) get a Toslink optical cable and connect that between the Bose Optical Out and TV Optical In. In the TV's setup menu you will need to associate the Optical audio with the Video In source and do a timing sync. Pull all of that S-Video cable out; can't be used. Regardless you will never get good picture quality from the Bose Lifestyle 48 on that newer Samsung TV; in fact it will be miserable. I assume based upon your questions that you desire to watch DVD's using the Bose; my recommendation is to buy a separate Blue Ray player for $50 and connect it to the TV via HDMI cable and the audio then to the Bose. Again, use a Toslink optical cable between the Blue Ray player and the Optical In jack on the Bose so the Dolby encoded audio is received by the Lifestyle system. Now you will get great video and audio!

 

[ranger58sb]

Thanks. Yeah, I understand all the eventual connections, just can't see what's there now. Tried a probe camera, no joy. And can't display the Bose menu on the TV, so it'll all moot -- or mute until I can get around to fooling with it.

Useful to know video quality won't be great anyway. Easy enough to fix. Probably easier once the KVH, Direct TV, Sirius boxes and associated wiring are all out of the way.

-Chris

 

[ttmott]

Thanks. Yeah, I understand all the eventual connections, just can't see what's there now. Tried a probe camera, no joy. And can't display the Bose menu on the TV, so it'll all moot -- or mute until I can get around to fooling with it.

Useful to know video quality won't be great anyway. Easy enough to fix. Probably easier once the KVH, Drect TV, Sirius boxesm and associated wiring are all out of the way.

-Chris

"won't be great" - it'll be unbearable. I'd recommend to use only for the Bose setup menu.
If like my boat the entire box the AV equipment is mounted slides out of the cabinet then the wiring can be accessed.
You aren't going to like what you see; it violates any reasonable sense of order.... It's a mess back there.

 

[tc410]

"won't be great" - it'll be unbearable. I'd recommend to use only for the Bose setup menu.
If like my boat the entire box the AV equipment is mounted slides out of the cabinet then the wiring can be accessed.
You aren't going to like what you see; it violates any reasonable sense of order.... It's a mess back there.

This is the only way to work on that stuff. Unclip and remove both cabinet doors, slide the AV “rack” out, then unclip the drawer slides and pull it all the way out. Get a pair of side/cutters and start cutting wire ties. @ttmott is 100% correct - it’s a huge mess back there! Also, call Bose tech support and give them your lifestyle serial number. They make a converter the converts the s video to component. Someone mentioned that above. Basically every single component in that rack is outdated and antiquated. I removed 20 pounds of cable alone (exaggerated). I also removed the master remote control box, mine had a vcr (!!!), the sat tv box. The only thing left in my cabinet from the factory is the Bose unit and a new H24 box for the directv.

 

[Trinity]

Not to be too technical, but the indirect light in the master head is under the mirror cabinet providing “mood” lighting over the counter top. I had to replace mine 4-5 years ago when it decided to go dead. Now I am planning to deal with the indirect lights in the salon on the columns on both sides.

 

[Trinity]

I would really like to hear how you start the process on those indirect lights on the columns in the salon - i am not sure where to start - any suggestions or manual page number
thanks

 

[Trinity]

PM me your number if you want me to text you some additional pics. Total pita trying to load them here. It really is straightforward but I’m not sure you could fish them through the holes from under the sofa. Maybe not in the amount of time it takes to pop these panels off. Plus I’m going to change the port side cigarette plug to a 2 outlet USB charger while I have this opened up.

TC410 - if you have time can you text me some of those pictures of replacement of the rope lights in salon 713-858-1115 thanks

 

[ranger58sb]

629 NM and 11 straight days underway -- Ft. Myers, FL to Georgetown, SC, so far -- can't say as I'm seeing much impact from the trim tabs... even assuming they're working. Hmm.....

-Chris

 

[tc410]

TC410 - if you have time can you text me some of those pictures of replacement of the rope lights in salon 713-858-1115 thanks

What I did was pull back firmly with two hands on the top of the fabric panel. You will feel the screws give, then keep pulling and the bottom screws will give. Once the panel is off, you will easily see how to pull out the old rope lights and feed the new ones in. The new ones need to be plugged in to the outlets located behind the sofa backrest on both sides. Once the new lights were installed, put a dab of silicone on each screw and pressed the panels back onto the gooey screws. It’s a pretty snug fit. Here’s a few pictures, but sorry, I refuse to take the time to resize them and get them in correct orientation- one of my biggest irritants related to CSR.

 

[SeaKing]

Our growing family is in the market for a 58 Sedan. I know COVID pricing/inventory issues effecting market. Thoughts on what fair value is for a good condition, 2006-2008 with under 1,000 hours? I know we will pay some sort of premium just trying to figure out how much compared to 58s trading in early 2020. Thanks!

 

[swaterhouse]

Our growing family is in the market for a 58 Sedan. I know COVID pricing/inventory issues effecting market. Thoughts on what fair value is for a good condition, 2006-2008 with under 1,000 hours? I know we will pay some sort of premium just trying to figure out how much compared to 58s trading in early 2020. Thanks!

The boats on the market now are well over 100k more than what was a year ago, the 2006 is another 50+ over and above that.

The two 2008's are in the range of this year's prices but I don't know their condition or MAN engine maintenance status.

We just got our 58DB in July and love it so far.

We visited 4 boats and had many pictures/videos of others this winter/spring. The overall theme was massive lack of maintenance and most boats suffer from the cabinet delamination and or cloudy finish.

Lack of MAN maintenance can be upwards of 60k if it was never done and many parts need to be replaced. If it's just due but was done in last 2-3 years, plan on around 16-20k.

 

[swaterhouse]

629 NM and 11 straight days underway -- Ft. Myers, FL to Georgetown, SC, so far -- can't say as I'm seeing much impact from the trim tabs... even assuming they're working. Hmm.....

-Chris

I can definitely see a difference with trim tabs.

Did you go around FL or through the lake?

 

[swaterhouse]

Our growing family is in the market for a 58 Sedan. I know COVID pricing/inventory issues effecting market. Thoughts on what fair value is for a good condition, 2006-2008 with under 1,000 hours? I know we will pay some sort of premium just trying to figure out how much compared to 58s trading in early 2020. Thanks!

One final comment, I would not be scared of 1000+ hours, actually I think it's better having higher hours, unless there is no record of MAN maintenance.

You want to see that a boat that is in saltwater year round should have the A1 service done every two years and A2 done every 4 years.

Some people will do both every 3ish years, but usually only if partially in freshwater or winterized/summerized for a few months per year.

There is no such thing as a 1000 hour MAN service, it's all date based regardless of hours except oil/filter changes and valve adjustments.

 

[SeaKing]

One final comment, I would not be scared of 1000+ hours, actually I think it's better having higher hours, unless there is no record of MAN maintenance.

You want to see that a boat that is in saltwater year round should have the A1 service done every two years and A2 done every 4 years.

Some people will do both every 3ish years, but usually only if partially in freshwater or winterized/summerized for a few months per year.

There is no such thing as a 1000 hour MAN service, it's all date based regardless of hours except oil/filter changes and valve adjustments.

Interesting point you raise. So if there are two similar 58 sedans, both maintained based on MAN schedule, similar price, one with 400 hrs and the other with 900 hrs you think the higher hour boat is better? Under utilization worse than average to above average usage?

or are you saying you wouldn’t pay a premium for a boat with lower hours?

 

[swaterhouse]

Interesting point you raise. So if there are two similar 58 sedans, both maintained based on MAN schedule, similar price, one with 400 hrs and the other with 900 hrs you think the higher hour boat is better? Under utilization worse than average to above average usage?

or are you saying you wouldn’t pay a premium for a boat with lower hours?

If everything was equal, condition, colors, options, maintenance schedule, etc. then yes I would pay a bit more for fewer hours. In reality I doubt it will be that easy, of the 15 boats I got details on, and the other 10+ I just looked at online there were no two exactly alike.

A boat this size has a ton of systems on it: five air conditioners, two air conditioner pumps, two fridges, freezer, ice maker, hydraulic swim platform, air compressor for horn, bow and usually stern thrusters, windlass, at least two entertainment systems, stereo on bridge/cockpit, electronics, systems monitor, 60+ light bulbs, "indirect lighting" ropes, seven batteries, etc, etc, etc, etc. Not to mention two giant V8 twin turbo engines and 21kw generator.

Just guessing based on my conversations after calling for details on 15 58DB's for sale this winter/spring, very few of them were used regularly their whole life. Yes some owners used them a fair amount, but for others they were dock condos.

For me, I like to see at least 50 hours per year. That shows it wasn't a dock queen its whole life. In general people who use their boats (as in actually leave the dock) tend to maintain them better or they will get stuck. So a 2006 should have a minimum of 750 hours and for a 2008 is a minimum of 650 hours. We put between 70 and 100 hours a year on in New England unless we do a long far away trip, so 50 hours a year in FL should be a no brainer.

The reason for my comment was don't limit yourself to a boat with under 1000 hours. The best visual condition boat I looked at had 1400 hours on a 2009, we tried super hard to get that boat, even offering a huge premium over asking but the sellers decided not to sell because they couldn't find a replacement boat.

Just a bit of recent market history, in August 2020 there were about 15 58DB's on the market, most had been on the market for well over a year. There were almost no sales of a 58DB's in 2019, the low end 2006's were listed in the low 400's and even those weren't selling. Everything that was for sale in 2020, or came on the market in 2021 prior to May 2021 has either sold since August 2020 or was taken off the market because seller's couldn't find a new boat. Of the 15 we called on we know three that were just taken off the market, the rest were sold.

All that said on systems and maintenance, in my opinion this is one of the best bang for the buck boats on the market. We looked at lots of brands/models, to get the space and amenities this boat has in other brands you will pay 50-100% more, and they will have the same maintenance headaches!

As I said before, we are loving this boat, it handles so well, is super comfortable and we love how it looks.

Good luck in your search, the couple boats on the market today look good on paper.

 

[ranger58sb]

I can definitely see a difference with trim tabs.

Did you go around FL or through the lake?

Maybe our tabs aren't working completely, then. Had lots of distractions during survey haul out, but I think they did demonstrate working... at least a little. Something I'll look at during next haul out.

We went through the lake. Oppressive heat, thunderstorms, etc. Georgetown this morning, Little River SC (Myrtle Beach Yacht Club) now, first morning I could stand to have early coffee on the bridge.

-Chris

 

[carterchapman]

If anyone is interested, attached is a diagram of our AC Systems. The only part that I don't understand is it shows the FWD Stateroom's unit with and "oil reservoir"...

I've got one for the Common Drain system, but it is too large to post here. PM me with your email if you want a copy of that...

 

[ttmott]

If anyone is interested, attached is a diagram of our AC Systems. The only part that I don't understand is it shows the FWD Stateroom's unit with and "oil reservoir"...

I've got one for the Common Drain system, but it is too large to post here. PM me with your email if you want a copy of that...

Hey Carter
The oil reservoir is for the bow thruster. It needs to be checked annually.

 

[carterchapman]

That's why I couldn't figure out why it was on the A/C diagrams. My reservoir is by the water manifold which is further aft from the FWD A/C unit...

 

[Robert Serviss]

If everything was equal, condition, colors, options, maintenance schedule, etc. then yes I would pay a bit more for fewer hours. In reality I doubt it will be that easy, of the 15 boats I got details on, and the other 10+ I just looked at online there were no two exactly alike.

A boat this size has a ton of systems on it: five air conditioners, two air conditioner pumps, two fridges, freezer, ice maker, hydraulic swim platform, air compressor for horn, bow and usually stern thrusters, windlass, at least two entertainment systems, stereo on bridge/cockpit, electronics, systems monitor, 60+ light bulbs, "indirect lighting" ropes, seven batteries, etc, etc, etc, etc. Not to mention two giant V8 twin turbo engines and 21kw generator.

Just guessing based on my conversations after calling for details on 15 58DB's for sale this winter/spring, very few of them were used regularly their whole life. Yes some owners used them a fair amount, but for others they were dock condos.

For me, I like to see at least 50 hours per year. That shows it wasn't a dock queen its whole life. In general people who use their boats (as in actually leave the dock) tend to maintain them better or they will get stuck. So a 2006 should have a minimum of 750 hours and for a 2008 is a minimum of 650 hours. We put between 70 and 100 hours a year on in New England unless we do a long far away trip, so 50 hours a year in FL should be a no brainer.

The reason for my comment was don't limit yourself to a boat with under 1000 hours. The best visual condition boat I looked at had 1400 hours on a 2009, we tried super hard to get that boat, even offering a huge premium over asking but the sellers decided not to sell because they couldn't find a replacement boat.

Just a bit of recent market history, in August 2020 there were about 15 58DB's on the market, most had been on the market for well over a year. There were almost no sales of a 58DB's in 2019, the low end 2006's were listed in the low 400's and even those weren't selling. Everything that was for sale in 2020, or came on the market in 2021 prior to May 2021 has either sold since August 2020 or was taken off the market because seller's couldn't find a new boat. Of the 15 we called on we know three that were just taken off the market, the rest were sold.

All that said on systems and maintenance, in my opinion this is one of the best bang for the buck boats on the market. We looked at lots of brands/models, to get the space and amenities this boat has in other brands you will pay 50-100% more, and they will have the same maintenance headaches!

As I said before, we are loving this boat, it handles so well, is super comfortable and we love how it looks.

Good luck in your search, the couple boats on the market today look good on paper.

Very good post that sums up the past few years of the 58DB market. I was shopping at the same and finally pulled the plug and purchased my 58DB at the end of March 2021. After purchasing the boat I wanted to ensure all the maintenance was up to spec and learn about the engines so I brought it to a “certified” MAN mechanic in Georgetown SC who was recommended from another boater, but it turned out I caught him trying to pad hours on the bill thanks to cameras, additionally he convinced me to change some needless parts and hoses which created major delays and caused us to blow way past our budget. He also made many questionable decisions with regards to moving the boat without inspecting his mechanics work which caused 6 gallons of oil being dumped in the bilge from a leaking turbo. My recommendation to anyone that gets stuck in the Georgetown SC and needs a certified MAN mechanic don’t use the local guy and take the boat to Charleston or wrightsville beach instead.