Great News! CDC Says Covid On Verge Of Non-epdimic Status!

Dr. Zev Zelenko Said the following:

“There are forces that confused the president, that vilified and fear-mongered hydroxychloroquine usage. And the reason why is they have in the pipeline remdesivir and vaccines that they want to push through. So, hydroxychloroquine stood in the way of trillions of dollars. So there are 150,000 dead Americans and many more people around the world simply are dead, because the world listen to the FDA, which I don’t recommend by the way, are dead simply because of people like Dr. Fauci and the forces behind him…”

My Spider-Man senses say this makes a lot of sense. Always follow the money...
 
Fauci is a weasel....there is just something odd about that little man never mind his wish washy approach to this mess
 
MonacoMike said:
Dr. Zev Zelenko Said the following:

“There are forces that confused the president, that vilified and fear-mongered hydroxychloroquine usage. And the reason why is they have in the pipeline remdesivir and vaccines that they want to push through. So, hydroxychloroquine stood in the way of trillions of dollars. So there are 150,000 dead Americans and many more people around the world simply are dead, because the world listen to the FDA, which I don’t recommend by the way, are dead simply because of people like Dr. Fauci and the forces behind him…”

My Spider-Man senses say this makes a lot of sense. Always follow the money...
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The powers that be still don't distinguish early vs. late use. It's sad we can't really know if a $5 pill would really work.
 
Steve in Minneapolis said:
I don't see anyone suggesting we should be scared or live in a hole. I, for one, am feeding my camp. And, I'm doing my best to ensure I'm still here in a month or six months, still feeding my camp.

Yes, we deal with risk every day. But, we MANAGE that risk. We wear a seatbelt. We follow rules of the road. We avoid using the hair dryer in the bathtub. We run the blower for 5 mins before starting the engine. Every day, we manage risk. So, why is it that you have to address this virus issue in a black and white manner? Throw caution to the wind? It's not a pussies versus real-men world. We can all live together better somewhere in the middle, where people have consideration for those around them.
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Minnesota, nice thought but it doesn’t work. Everyone wants to impose their personal methods of managing risk on everyone one else.

We all have different tolerance for risk. One size for all doesn’t work in today’s politically charged society. Everyone wants to do it their way.
 
[QUOTE="One size for all doesn’t work in today’s politically charged society. Everyone wants to do it their way."[/QUOTE]

Too true. Even gender is a fluid thing these days.
 
You can have all the Big Macs you like. That impacts nobody but you.

EC was trying to say the virus is just like a Big Mac because both kill you. That, of course, just may take the cake for the most ridiculous thing I've heard yet!

For the record, I am not an advocate for government intervention. Unfortunately, too many people have no consideration for anyone but themselves, and/or they believe it's all a conspiracy where the world is trying to make everyone panic and not vote for Donald. It's those people who are fueling this big mess.

Remember, this all started in the US with only a few cases in CA - but everyone acted like it's no big deal. Now only half a year later, there are almost half a million cases, 160,000 dead, and people still want to act like it's no big deal. The truth is that if people took it seriously from the start, it's possible none of this would have happened. We can't fix the past, but we could learn from the past to help fix the future.
 
Steve in Minneapolis said:
You can have all the Big Macs you like. That impacts nobody but you.

EC was trying to say the virus is just like a Big Mac because both kill you. That, of course, just may take the cake for the most ridiculous thing I've heard yet!

For the record, I am not an advocate for government intervention. Unfortunately, too many people have no consideration for anyone but themselves, and/or they believe it's all a conspiracy where the world is trying to make everyone panic and not vote for Donald. It's those people who are fueling this big mess.

Remember, this all started in the US with only a few cases in CA - but everyone acted like it's no big deal. Now only half a year later, there are almost half a million cases, 160,000 dead, and people still want to act like it's no big deal. The truth is that if people took it seriously from the start, it's possible none of this would have happened. We can't fix the past, but we could learn from the past to help fix the future.
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On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 the lowest and 10 the highest -- how big of deal is it?
 
Steve in Minneapolis said:
You can have all the Big Macs you like. That impacts nobody but you.

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Not what I've been told. Especially now that Government has some controls over our healthcare insurance. Wouldn't someone who OD's on BigMacs effect insurance nationally? Diabetes, heart disease, stroke, etc. So, in a sense I guess it does impact me now. Same with STD's. Someone gets AIDS or HIV, I guess "we" have to pay for it. So much for the 'Government' staying out of the bedroom.....but I digress.....carry on.
 
Ollie, it's true that whether it's direct or not, we all pay higher insurance rates based on other people's bad decisions. In the case of Covid, the same thing will happen with the costs... that hasn't been discussed much. But, going to a bar with no mask and shouting about your favorite football team could have a very direct impact on those people around you.
 
Golfman25 said:
On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 the lowest and 10 the highest -- how big of deal is it?
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How big of a deal is it if your spouse gets ill. Or dies? What about your parents or kids? Someone else here said their daughter was ill for 2 months! Is that a big deal? If it were my daughter, it would be a 10 to me.

Or if I were responsible for her getting ill, it would be a 10 to me.
 
Yes, when it get's personal it's hard to not make it a 10.

However, governing has to be based on averages across a population. It cannot be based on personal anecdotes.

At 160,000 Covid-19 deaths in the US, it's about .05% fatal. The projected total deaths for the US in 2020 from all causes is 8.88/1000 people, or about 320,000. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate

The only real way to assess the real impact of Covid-19 is to see how many died in the US at the end of 2020 from all causes. Sure, there are reports that Covid-19 aftereffects, short of death, are bad. There are other reports refuting that. Time will tell.

The real fear of Covid-19 is that it's deadly. So measuring overall deaths at the end of the year, irrespective of cause, will tell a lot about how bad Covid-19 is. Or not. If the total US deaths don't exceed the expected 320K, then Covid-19 was what? A harvester of those who would have died from something else?

Govern by averages not anecdotes. In Michigan and other places the treatment for the entire state was predicated on one region -- the Detroit area in the Michigan example. In Florida the treatment for the entire state was not predicated on Miami or other hotspots. Michigan has 64 deaths per 100K, Florida has 35. By comparison NJ has 178, NY has 172, MA has 125, CT has 124.
 
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Steve in Minneapolis said:
How big of a deal is it if your spouse gets ill. Or dies? What about your parents or kids? Someone else here said their daughter was ill for 2 months! Is that a big deal? If it were my daughter, it would be a 10 to me.

Or if I were responsible for her getting ill, it would be a 10 to me.
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It’s time for a re-post. This is a post I made a few months ago that seems appropriate to the discussion.

Humans "spread deadly diseases and imperil the public health" all the time. Yes it is criminal to purposely have sex without disclosure if one has HIV, but ONLY, if you knowingly do so. Humans spread deadly disease every time they breathe, slobber, pee, and poop, this is normal life.

Arrogant affluent Americans must come to grips with a reality, modern medicine has made it possible that millions of Americans can live with major health issues that would have been fatal just 40 years ago. There are things that can erase those gains and C-19 seems to be one of them. The healthy strong cannot stop living so those with major morbidities have less risk. Those folks actually need the healthy strong to take care of them.

Several countries chose not to lockdown and do not seem worse than those that did. Science just does not know and decisions that affect the majority negatively cannot be made without solid evidence to base those decisions on.

And just where is the balance of all those documented that die from economic collapse? Are their lives not just as important? The people that will lose their jobs, their marriages, their homes, the savings they worked their entire lives for, and their lives? Those sucked intodepression and suicide, drug and alcohol dependence, all of that is well known to be part of any recession, not to mention depression.

Goldman Sachs just announced they believe unemployment will soar to 15%, over 27 million will lose their jobs. A 2014 study of the economic effects on suicide found that for each 1% increase in unemployment that there were 210 suicides per million. That is nearly 70,000 dead from the economic collapse. To those of you demanding to lock down the country, do these lives matter? Your posts certainly do not appear to. Why do only C-19 victims deserve consideration?

So It is about more than just C-19 victims, it's about everyone and there are multiple facets to consider here...
 
OllieC said:
Not what I've been told. Especially now that Government has some controls over our healthcare insurance. Wouldn't someone who OD's on BigMacs effect insurance nationally? Diabetes, heart disease, stroke, etc. So, in a sense I guess it does impact me now. Same with STD's. Someone gets AIDS or HIV, I guess "we" have to pay for it. So much for the 'Government' staying out of the bedroom.....but I digress.....carry on.
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Ain't that the reason mini Mike banned sugary drinks?
 
Steve in Minneapolis said:
How big of a deal is it if your spouse gets ill. Or dies? What about your parents or kids? Someone else here said their daughter was ill for 2 months! Is that a big deal? If it were my daughter, it would be a 10 to me.

Or if I were responsible for her getting ill, it would be a 10 to me.
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That's just a cop out response. So one of my workers got it but was asymptomatic. Stayed home, with pay, for 4 weeks (ie; a vacation). That would be the 1 that negates your 10.

As Third Ed said, you need to look at the whole picture. Sure there are infections and deaths. But guess what, economic shut down causes suicides. It cause health problems. They are reporting more drug ODs than normal. It's just not Covid or no Covid. If you're honest, it's somewhere in the 6-8 range. A concern, yes, but not run for the hills we're all going to die.
 
I don't think it's a cop out at all. It's just as important to me to protect my neighbor as well as my family. In the case of your coworker, the company is taking proactive steps to protect his/her livelihood, as well as help to protect your safety. What's your beef with that? Are you jealous that they got sick and you didn't?

Your point is well taken about the economy. Those are facts! Do you think the economy is somehow going to be great again if everyone pretends it's nothing to worry about, and carries on as if there is no pandemic? What's going to happen when the hospitals are overwhelmed (Florida is already there) and the doctors are ill, overworked, or give up? And, when people who are ill have to depend on others to feed them and care for them at home... in some cases while they are dying.

If the tiny sacrifice of wearing a mask and keeping a little distance can reduce that impact by even a small amount, why wouldn't you do it? Personal freedom isn't really an answer. "Personal freedom" as an excuse is just another way of saying you don't care about anyone but yourself. "Personal freedom" is the cop out.
 
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