Great News! CDC Says Covid On Verge Of Non-epdimic Status!

Steve in Minneapolis said:
The odds of winning the lottery are 1 in a million, or in some cases 1 in hundreds of millions. Without risk management, the likelihood that you will pass the virus to me if you've been exposed is 2 or 3 in 10. I don't see the correlation.
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First off I said a “small” lottery, meaning like a 4 or 5 number draw not mega millions. I have no way to accurately calculate this but the odds one has had it are low, the odds one has it and is contagious is very low, then we have transmission odds to calculate and the decimal point has moved a lot.

You have NO right to live in a danger free world. Neither God or your alien creator endowed you with that right. You were endowed with freedom to protect yourself as you see fit. But not to control other free people...
 
It can be controlled. By stopping transmission, simple as that.

If everyone used your logic, we'd all be sick within weeks, the hospitals would be completely overwhelmed, and we'd have no way to manage the bodies. We're all gonna get it anyway, right? May as well pull the bandage off and deal with it, right?

Or, we could do our best to slow it down, manage the risk and keep things civil so that the right people can focus on prevention and cures. When there is a cure and/or vaccine it will be much easier to control.
 
Stopping transmission is another magical thinking idea. Slowing it down is practical. But that's all it is, slowing it down.

Yes, we all hope for safe and effective vaccine / cure.
 
Steve in Minneapolis said:
We don't have to agree, that's cool. But, what I've shared are facts, not opinions, and IMO, that's an important distinction. Start with facts, then draw a conclusion.

The main point I'd like to make is that (contrary to choosing a big mac) the decisions you make can directly effect those around you. If you knew you would make someone ill, or kill them by breathing on them would you do it? If it were possible or likely, would you risk it? If you'd answer no to these questions, then please wear a mask and give people some space. You don't know what you may be spreading.
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I have posted in the past in another thread that if a person knows they are positive, does not wear a mask etc and causes someone else to get the virus then they should be charged with attempted murder. If that someone else dies of the virus then that person should be charged with murder.
 
I'm not pitching a case either way on this one. But, when HIV was going around without any treatment options, there were people who were charged with murder for knowingly having "relations" with others after being infected. So, that isn't unprecedented.
 
BEH said:
I have posted in the past in another thread that if a person knows they are positive, does not wear a mask etc and causes someone else to get the virus then they should be charged with attempted murder. If that someone else dies of the virus then that person should be charged with murder.
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Same for the flu ?
 
Steve in Minneapolis said:
Yes, I do. You don't have the right to kill me. Even worse, you could give it to me, and I could then unknowingly pass it to my parents, spouse or children. You don't have the right to kill or endanger them, either. They aren't "expendable".

The odds of winning the lottery are 1 in a million, or in some cases 1 in hundreds of millions. Without risk management, the likelihood that you will pass the virus to me if you've been exposed is 2 or 3 in 10. I don't see the correlation.
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It takes to people to transfer the virus. The giver and the receiver. You can avoid catching it by avoiding anyone you don't think is appropriately masked or whatever. And wash you hands.
 
BEH said:
I have posted in the past in another thread that if a person knows they are positive, does not wear a mask etc and causes someone else to get the virus then they should be charged with attempted murder. If that someone else dies of the virus then that person should be charged with murder.
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Like Chris Cuomo, right?
 
Great job done only 4.8 millon cases and 160,000 deaths.
 
Steve in Minneapolis said:
It can be controlled. By stopping transmission, simple as that.
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And this statement is part of the real problem. People really believe this and are willing to give up freedom to achieve this even though it is absolutely not true.

If the virus could be controlled we would’ve already controlled it. Hiding from it is not controlling it. It will spread through normal human interaction. I repeat, there is nothing humans can do to stop this spread.

We should all be free to do as we see fit to best protect our families. And you should be free to hide and live like a hermit and never have to deal with it. I on the other hand should be free to go about my normal life unencumbered by fantasy thoughts that a rampant disease can be controlled by we puny humans.
 
A little melodramatic, are we? Wearing a mask and being respectful and considerate of others does not make me a hermit by any stretch of the imagination.
 
I've seen many people driving, by themselves, wearing a mask. Some have had windows up, others windows down. Regardless - being alone in your automobile, why the mask?

Because they have been conditioned and told to wear a mask. More and more reports are coming out due to the dangers of wearing a mask, breathing in all the air you expel - not to mention the warm, moist cloth is a perfect breeding ground for bacteria.....but I'm not a doctor, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night...
 
Steve in Minneapolis said:
A little melodramatic, are we? Wearing a mask and being respectful and considerate of others does not make me a hermit by any stretch of the imagination.
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You either are or are not advocating government mandated mask wear. Then the next level are the folks that use social pressure like you just did, aren’t you a nice person that should wear a mask pressure.

You wear your mask and let me decide what I want to do. You don’t want to be a hermit so you want to force me to wear a mask.
 
Lots of robust conversation here and I have this to say about that. My daughter became infected in early June and was sick for almost 2-months while her fiance was positive yet asymptomatic. She is doing fine and yet still tested positive last week. She is responsible so she has been sheltering at home and won't interact with others until she tests negative (hopefully this week). That being said, I am working from home but going to my marina, taking my boat out on weekends and even having raft-ups with other friends that know how to be careful. We can't just shut down society like some are pushing for but we can be responsible.
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firecadet613 said:
I've seen many people driving, by themselves, wearing a mask. Some have had windows up, others windows down. Regardless - being alone in your automobile, why the mask?

Because they have been conditioned and told to wear a mask. More and more reports are coming out due to the dangers of wearing a mask, breathing in all the air you expel - not to mention the warm, moist cloth is a perfect breeding ground for bacteria.....but I'm not a doctor, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night...
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Kinda like my dipchit neighbor who wears the mask while mowing his lawn (and no it's not allergies, he just started doing it).
 
You know guys, I'm a bit worried about MM because of some of his posts. MM was always an extremely safety conscious individual. His first aid kit was legend, he was equipped to do major surgery on board while a Dr guided him via Facetime. Rumor has it the move to his current big boat was needed to make room for a new crash cart and ventilator. He's probably got a gross of face masks stashed on his boat but for some reason lately he's resistant to the idea of using such a simple, basic safety device.

We don't know yet what all the effects the virus might have on us. We need to keep an eye on MM, he maybe infected. If he starts walking with his head leaning to one side, one arm outstretched, and dragging a leg with each step:eek::eek:.....well, one of us may have to put him down.:(
 
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