whats up in iran fellow boaters ?

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  1. CaptRonn

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    What I see is a Europe that has for years left the USA holding the tab for the bill to protect it. I also see a Europe that has either attempted or has gotten anything over the US with regards to free trade.

    I also see Germany entered into a multi billion dollar deal with Russia to provide its energy, rather than working with its ally USA. Just wait till Putin decides one frigid winter to shut off your energy.

    Your country and many others want to appease Iran because of warped ideological leaders with utopian ideas. The US views Iran for what they truly are, and many of our citizens have died indirectly from Iranian proxy wars.

    The Iranian people themselves are a good people, but their leadership is corrupt and evil. The best thing for Iran is for another revolution to cast out the evil bastards and restore Iranians to the 21st century. But they need to do that themselves, and that won't happen as long as we have weak governments in places like Europe willing to continue dealing with and capitulating to Iran.

    President Trump is handling Iran correctly at this point. As Wyatt Earp told Ike Clanton during the gunfight at the OK Corral, "Get a gun and get in the fight, or get the hell outta here!"
     
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  2. aerobat77

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    very correct !!! - but currently neither the one nor the other is done . on the one hand he cancels by his own the nuclear deal instead of leaving the relative stability of the past as it was and on the other hand he is not willing to use his gun to show the iranian goverment who is in charge when needed .

    just wondering you support this 'strategy'.

    maybe with sizing an uk tanker the iran went one step to far . germany in unusual strong words condemned the sizing and said clearly it is fully with its ally uk . the same did france .

    netherlands , denmark and norway consider sending warships to support us and uk .
     
  3. CaptRonn

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    The Iran Nuclear Deal was a disaster from the start. Gave the Iranians everything they demanded. It’s was negotiated in hopes of appeasement by an administration that was a disaster at foreign affairs.

    The regime in Iran is now under tight sanctions, and it’s hurting them, thus why we see the Sabre rattling by the regime. They desperately want another weak president in the US so they may have their way once again.

    The Iranian Regime desperately want to see Trump defeated next year and another alt left progressive in the WH. The regime, in alignment with the progressives is doing anything and everything to make our President look bad, and he’s not taking the bait.
     
  4. Boat Guy

    Boat Guy Well-Known Member

    @aerobat77, your logic is very short-sighted. To think there was stability is naive and a fatal flaw. Like all weaker adversaries, they were simply and strategically using time to their advantage under the guise of harmony....I don't want to educate you on this, but while none of us want to see an escalation, dealing with the problem now will be far easier than a decade down the road...Iran is demonstrating it's position and nations will have to choose sides. Understand, anything Iran does is under the wing of Russia....Don't miscalculate Russia's involvement in Venezuela, Iran, and Syria, as examples....Where is China?....I think you should pick another topic, like fixing aircraft perhaps.
     
  5. aerobat77

    aerobat77 Active Member

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    its not dealing a problem but loosing control

    in contrast to 'weak' obama times iran now enriches above limit in quantity and percentage , shoots down us drones , mines tankers , sizes tankers , rises oil prices and insurances and laughs about the 'strong' current president who cannot or willnot do anything about it.

    thats the current situation , and its surely not naive .
     
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  6. CaptRonn

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    It’s apparent you wish to see our President fall into the trap Iran keeps setting. The progressives in our country and abroad want him desperately to take the bait. The fact he’s not, and that his strategies are indeed working is evident.

    You can keep throwing about progressive talking points, it just makes you look foolish.
     
  7. Boat Guy

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    You're just making my point...I certainly hope you are better with aircraft than foreign policy.
     
  8. aerobat77

    aerobat77 Active Member

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    lets not insult but just share opinions , even when they are different ;-)

    i understand at least many guys here say trumps iran strategy is just brilliant . i up to now just do not see anything good in it . they do not seem to obey .

    boat guy : i see you remember , nice !
     
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  9. bobeast

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    You insult our intelligence when you profess support while denigrating our president, our military and our foreign policy, at every opportunity. We have enough of that disingenuous blather already.

    Unfortunately, for the purpose of this discussion, you don't know what you don't know. And rest assured....You don't know. Don't you see it?
     
  10. Golfman25

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    Problem is your "opinions" are ill informed. Iran is swating at nats and it doesn't mean squat. It's a five year olds temper tantrum. Trumps model is Regan, who beat the USSR without firing a shot all while the "media" freaked out. Squeeze them economically and stop the cheaters so sanctions work. So far, so good.
     
  11. aerobat77

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    how do you believe sanctions alone will work quickly ? the iranian goverment is ready to let their population starve , the hardliners ( and irgc ) have enough for them and show up in a bold way ...

    btw ... i,m not so sure if my informations are wrong and yours watching fox news are spot on .

    the topic is also not about trump but the situation at the persian gulf .

    so - what would you do if you are president ?
     
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  12. CaptRonn

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    I'm going to call bullshit on your little parade here.

    You can't have it both ways. You are denigrating our President and our military and taking multiple pot shots doing it. Many have attempted to correct your ill conceived information of what is actually going on.

    It's no secret where you stand on this and what your intent is, so stop playing naive.

    And whether you or other progressives care, the President of our country enjoys immense popularity from the people that matter. Don't believe me? Just check historical polls on the former President against our current one.

    And while you are obsessed with what our President is doing, maybe you should involve yourself in just how badly Merkel has screwed up your country and continues to do so.

    We'll take care of ours, you take care of yours.
     
  13. techmitch

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    Was that the original question?

    Oh, and "usa will leave this conflict as a complete fool" Pffft


    "looking at this all from germany the actual situation appears strange to me ...

    while your president is very good in strong words at twitter iran now shows the world it can do what it wants , either attacking civilian tankers or downing your military drones and usa does nothing beyond a war battle at twitter ...

    if usa is not interested in a military conflict its nice , but in this case for what cancelling the nuclear deal at all and for what that sactions at all instead go the diplomatic way ?

    i see the fear iran will win this conflict in a bold way and will dictate the rules in future and usa will leave this conflict as a complete fool.

    up to now it appears your predident talks about fire and fury and destroying iran while it becomes clear to everybody it is nothing more than a tweet and a laugh.

    honestly - you are by far the most powerful military machine on this planet ...

    what do native americans think about this ?

    best regards

    "looking at this all from germany the actual situation appears strange to me ...

    while your president is very good in strong words at twitter iran now shows the world it can do what it wants , either attacking civilian tankers or downing your military drones and usa does nothing beyond a war battle at twitter ...

    if usa is not interested in a military conflict its nice , but in this case for what cancelling the nuclear deal at all and for what that sactions at all instead go the diplomatic way ?

    i see the fear iran will win this conflict in a bold way and will dictate the rules in future and usa will leave this conflict as a complete fool.

    up to now it appears your predident talks about fire and fury and destroying iran while it becomes clear to everybody it is nothing more than a tweet and a laugh.

    honestly - you are by far the most powerful military machine on this planet ...

    what do native americans think about this ?

    best regards"
     
  14. aerobat77

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    thanx for your little mental ejaculation mr capt bullshit ;-))))

    seriously - no need for offense here . we are boaters . yes i,m sceptic what a mess trump does but only future will show if he is right or wrong . i have your opinion which tends to be all trump supporting . at least the csr members jumping in do so. we can use this thread to share news if you like . do not derail this thread by personal insults .
     
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  15. CaptRonn

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    That’s rich.

    Typical progressive BS. You want to hurl insults at Americans just because we happen to support our President, but you don’t want to be challenged on it.

    There’s a reason Germany has such a lame record for the past 100 years.
     
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  16. aerobat77

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    for those of you who speak german :

    https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/arti...Angebot-kann-Donald-Trump-nicht-ablehnen.html

    german minister of economics offers USA to set taxes on any german products including cars to zero . most probably the entire eu will follow .

    if that is not a sign if we support you or not i do not know ...

    but , looking at iran again , in return its mostly your duty to military enforce a safe passage of oil tankers before oil prices grenade , simply because only you have the military capabilities to do this .

    president trump has to do something out of this .
     
  17. bobeast

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    You have finally revealed the true motivation behind this thread. You believe it is the U.S.' "duty" to enforce a safe passage. Since when? You and Europe in general, are acting incredibly spoiled and ungrateful. I would expect more from a pimple-faced teenager.

    This may come as a complete shock to your adolescent fantasies, but it is not our duty to do squat. How about Germany gets off its spoiled butt and sends its own ships to the area. Don't like the long-game the U.S. is playing? No problem. You guys feel free to get together and teach us how it should be done.

    If Merkel does not like how the U.S. is handling its "duty", then Merkel has to do something out of this.
     
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  18. aerobat77

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  19. bobeast

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    Good. Now you can denigrate Mr. Hunt, make veiled accusations of his dishonesty, and question why he hasn't done HIS duty. Meanwhile, I'm guessing Germany will commit zero resources to that effort as well, although I hope to be proven wrong.
     
  20. aerobat77

    aerobat77 Active Member

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    i think you will be proven wrong . germany today and by surprize officially confirmed by defense minister it will military support an european led maritime security force . so uk , france and germany so far - denmark , italy , netherlands , norway , poland and sweden are likely to also join .
     

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