What’s an assault weapon?

Flint said:
The National Shooting Sports Foundation has estimated that approximately 5 million to 10 million AR-15 style rifles exist in the U.S.. Some estimates suggest around 1 million AR style long guns are manufactured every year in the USA. The term AR was not originally an acronym for assault rife (although it's fair to say it is now); it comes from the original manufacture of that design of weapon first produced by ArmaLite, a division of the Fairchild Engine and Airplane Corporation 'the ArmaLite Rifle or AR'. Colt now retains the trademark and is the exclusive owner of the AR-15 designation. I dare say it's too late now. The horse left the barn decades ago —remember Bonanza? It left around then. To quote Chris Rock 'You don’t need no gun control. You know what you need? We need some bullet control. We need to control the bullets. That’s right. I think all bullets should cost $5,000. $5,000 for a bullet. You know why? Because if a bullet cost $5,000, there’d be no more innocent bystanders. That’d be it. Everytime somebody gets shot, you’d be like ‘Damn, he must have did something. Sh*t, they put $50,000 worth of bullets in his ass!’
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We do have a society that tends to coddle the criminals and, in fact, almost promote their perfunctory deeds right?
 
Juliery said:
I agree - no more laws. Keep your "rights". Keep buying guns and killing people. Don't get vaccinated either. It's helping solve the planet's #1 issue: not guns, not Covid, not global warming but overpopulation.
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Why did the Boulder shooting end when it did? Oh, the police (carrying guns) showed up.

Colorado has very restrictive gun laws compared to many other states, yet they continue to have many "mass shootings". See a correlation there?

Often times they happen in "gun free zones". Why might that be?

All outlawing guns or adding more laws will do is unarm and/or restrict law abiding citizens. By definition, criminals do NOT follow the law.

Had there been a few concealed carriers in that supermarket, there would likely have been a different outcome...
 
firecadet613 said:
Had there been a few concealed carriers in that supermarket, there would likely have been a different outcome...
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But you would have to read about it in NRA news... "Would be gunman stopped by concealed carrying citizens in super market".

You wouldn't see that in mainstream media.
 
Why is it always one extreme or the other? For instance “You can’t buy a nuclear missile!” It is also my understanding that these laws being proposed would have done “nothing” to prevent most of these mass shootings. All they effect are law abiding gun owners. Remember the push in the 90s to strip away handguns? “No one hunts with a handgun”.o_O

Also to use the logic that the 2nd Amendment should be limited because it was created when everyone had flint lock rifles would be like using the same logic that the 1st Amendment and free speech should be limited because we now have the Internet (wait a minute)

In my opinion this is another attempt at Government stripping away our Bill of Rights. Plain and simple.
 
ttmott said:
We do have a society that tends to coddle the criminals and, in fact, almost promote their perfunctory deeds right?
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There does seem to be a perfunctorily obtuse attitude in congress regarding gun laws. I realize most people do not misuse their firearms but many do. I read 2020 was statistically one of the worst years in decades —43, 536 gun related deaths. Is it in part due to the divisive politics witnessed over the last 4 years? or more recently this pandemic which has left so many people in a desperate state? Many factors I suspect. I will point out I'm a neighbour and not an American, although I travel to the USA often and have family and many close friends South of the Canadian border. We The North, do not have the same level of gun violence my cousins to the South have. We don't have a 2nd Amendment or the idea we should all have guns just in case. I think that is one of the more stark differences between our two peoples. I discuss this often with my cousins whom are all trauma doctors in Detroit —they deal with gunshot wounds daily —they have real American Horror Stories let me tell you. We are so similar in many other respects - language, music, movies, food, religion, ethnic diversity —we share similar values ... we like Sea Rays, Corvettes, Mustangs and John Wayne —but we don't have a gun or two per person here. I'm still trying to understand why that is. I shot plenty as a kid (young man) and I loved it. But I no longer have guns - I live in a big city where it is not exactly convenient to blast off rounds just for fun, so it's just out of sight; out of mind for me and I think that ethos is shared by many up here. As I tend to do, I shall quote another noted person, this time Michael Moore, 'If more guns make people safer, then America would be one of the safest countries in the world!' I'm curious what your perspective on all this is.
 
Flint said:
There does seem to be a perfunctorily obtuse attitude in congress regarding gun laws. I realize most people do not misuse their firearms but many do. I read 2020 was statistically one of the worst years in decades —43, 536 gun related deaths. Is it in part due to the divisive politics witnessed over the last 4 years? or more recently this pandemic which has left so many people in a desperate state? Many factors I suspect. I will point out I'm a neighbour and not an American, although I travel to the USA often and have family and many close friends South of the Canadian border. We The North, do not have the same level of gun violence my cousins to the South have. We don't have a 2nd Amendment or the idea we should all have guns just in case. I think that is one of the more stark differences between our two peoples. I discuss this often with my cousins whom are all trauma doctors in Detroit —they deal with gunshot wounds daily —they have real American Horror Stories let me tell you. We are so similar in many other respects - language, music, movies, food, religion, ethnic diversity —we share similar values ... we like Sea Rays, Corvettes, Mustangs and John Wayne —but we don't have a gun or two per person here. I'm still trying to understand why that is. I shot plenty as a kid (young man) and I loved it. But I no longer have guns - I live in a big city where it is not exactly convenient to blast off rounds just for fun, so it's just out of sight; out of mind for me and I think that ethos is shared by many up here. As I tend to do, I shall quote another noted person, this time Michael Moore, 'If more guns make people safer, then America would be one of the safest countries in the world!' I'm curious what your perspective on all this is.
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History shows authoritarian governments confiscate weapons. The Second Amd. is a check on the government. Michael Moore is an idiot.
 
Flint said:
There does seem to be a perfunctorily obtuse attitude in congress regarding gun laws. I realize most people do not misuse their firearms but many do. I read 2020 was statistically one of the worst years in decades —43, 536 gun related deaths. Is it in part due to the divisive politics witnessed over the last 4 years? or more recently this pandemic which has left so many people in a desperate state? Many factors I suspect. I will point out I'm a neighbour and not an American, although I travel to the USA often and have family and many close friends South of the Canadian border. We The North, do not have the same level of gun violence my cousins to the South have. We don't have a 2nd Amendment or the idea we should all have guns just in case. I think that is one of the more stark differences between our two peoples. I discuss this often with my cousins whom are all trauma doctors in Detroit —they deal with gunshot wounds daily —they have real American Horror Stories let me tell you. We are so similar in many other respects - language, music, movies, food, religion, ethnic diversity —we share similar values ... we like Sea Rays, Corvettes, Mustangs and John Wayne —but we don't have a gun or two per person here. I'm still trying to understand why that is. I shot plenty as a kid (young man) and I loved it. But I no longer have guns - I live in a big city where it is not exactly convenient to blast off rounds just for fun, so it's just out of sight; out of mind for me and I think that ethos is shared by many up here. As I tend to do, I shall quote another noted person, this time Michael Moore, 'If more guns make people safer, then America would be one of the safest countries in the world!' I'm curious what your perspective on all this is.
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Thank You for the perspective and just as valid as any other. A couple of reasonable responses however:
The "gun related deaths" is misleading for media and political purposes. How many are self defense, pure accident, and law enforcement as a ratio. I think it would be surprising how that number really comes down; not that it is justifiable by any means. It is a perception thing.
The COVID rationale is simply a bucket that is used to justify deviation to law and order; another media and political pivot point I don't accept.
Fire arms in the US is no doubt a cultural thing but more importantly a legitimate right for good reason at the time the right was instituted. Is it still legitimate? I think so as the reasons one political party attempts to squelch the right is not the criminal use but other nefarious purposes. There are continuous attempts to alter our basis as a nation and any erosion will lead to a means to change us as a people forever; we cannot crack that egg. I don't think the wisdom exists to entertain any changes. I cannot be a part of this. Would you not think that if such a change was so obviously right that all of our politically elected representatives would be supporters?
First, to use Michael Moore as a "noted" person is a bit obtuse; this man gained notoriety making a fringe situation mainstream. He is a one shot wonder that for some reason the media seems to hold tight; actually we know the reason. So, his statement is a line of words that are incomplete in total scope to lend sway to an opinion and not policy.
 
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Flint said:
I discuss this often with my cousins whom are all trauma doctors in Detroit —they deal with gunshot wounds daily...
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Detroit Daily News:
"Detroit saw 327 homicides in 2020, a 19% increase from the 275 that occurred in 2019, and 1,173 nonfatal shootings, a 53% increase from a year earlier, .... Gun-related arrests surged in the city, at 5,904 offenders in 2020. That’s 200% more than in 2018 and 102% more than in 2019"

Yes Detroit has serious problems, but does anyone believe that the problem with these actions is the gun? These people got arrested, they were already breaking the law, murder is illegal by the very nature of the term.
In Britain machetes and knives are now the tool for murder and mayhem and there have still been "mass murders".

For hard numbers, not percentages, not x per 100,000, etc
And not partisan, just hard US stats
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

and a correction,
mass shooting = four or more victims injured or killed
mass murder = four or more victims killed


Did you know that most databases on mass murder it is four or more victims, not counting the attacker.
If that dropped to three, many of the Detroit incidents would be a "mass murder" and the demographic of the attacks would change significantly. Most are gang on gang violence.

Also the single most common "trait" of all "mass murderers" ?
Not race of attacker, not race of victim, not location, not type of weapon....
Majority are male and come from fatherless families.
 
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OllieC said:
We are one of the safest countries in the world, if not the safest, against tyranny.
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Tyranny: a nation governed with cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control.
So by definition you just had a tyrannical government under Trump. Think about kids in cages and thugs masquerading as cops in Portland, governing by executive order and Mitch McConnell, and forcefully removing peaceful protestors for a photo-op with a Bible he has never read. Oh, and then there's the Trump instigated Capital building thing ...
 
Juliery said:
Tyranny: a nation governed with cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control.
So by definition you just had a tyrannical government under Trump. Think about kids in cages and thugs masquerading as cops in Portland, governing by executive order and Mitch McConnell, and forcefully removing peaceful protestors for a photo-op with a Bible he has never read. Oh, and then there's the Trump instigated Capital building thing ...
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With your fake news and all - then why would you want Government to disarm you:rolleyes:o_O? I don’t recall Orange Man Bad trying to stifle the 2nd Amendment. He actually championed it.
 
Flint said:
There does seem to be a perfunctorily obtuse attitude in congress regarding gun laws. I realize most people do not misuse their firearms but many do. I read 2020 was statistically one of the worst years in decades —43, 536 gun related deaths. Is it in part due to the divisive politics witnessed over the last 4 years? or more recently this pandemic which has left so many people in a desperate state? Many factors I suspect. I will point out I'm a neighbour and not an American, although I travel to the USA often and have family and many close friends South of the Canadian border. We The North, do not have the same level of gun violence my cousins to the South have. We don't have a 2nd Amendment or the idea we should all have guns just in case. I think that is one of the more stark differences between our two peoples. I discuss this often with my cousins whom are all trauma doctors in Detroit —they deal with gunshot wounds daily —they have real American Horror Stories let me tell you. We are so similar in many other respects - language, music, movies, food, religion, ethnic diversity —we share similar values ... we like Sea Rays, Corvettes, Mustangs and John Wayne —but we don't have a gun or two per person here. I'm still trying to understand why that is. I shot plenty as a kid (young man) and I loved it. But I no longer have guns - I live in a big city where it is not exactly convenient to blast off rounds just for fun, so it's just out of sight; out of mind for me and I think that ethos is shared by many up here. As I tend to do, I shall quote another noted person, this time Michael Moore, 'If more guns make people safer, then America would be one of the safest countries in the world!' I'm curious what your perspective on all this is.
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Why do so many Canadians on this site feel compelled to comment on our politics? If you don't have guns in your country, too bad for you. We do. The politics of the last 4 years were not nearly as divisive as the previous 8 years. But you won't hear that from the media wing of the democratic party. A large portion of the gun related deaths are perpetrated by criminals with illegal guns (see Chicago). My home city (St. Louis) often leads the country in murder rates, mostly by gun. These are not Syrians walking into a grocery store killing unarmed innocents. It is gang related and criminal on criminal violence with guns obtained illegally. I legally own 6 guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition. If the government tries to take away my right to own them, I will defend that right with every gun and round I own. That is how important I believe the 2nd amendment is for my country to remain free. Also, let us remember the Colorado Syrian shooter obtained his gun legally despite being KNOWN to the FBI as a possible terrorist. He was also known to be mentally unstable. Let's enforce our current gun laws first and see how that works.

Michael Moore is a useless left wing D-bag who got lucky once. Nothing he says has merit. He probably thinks the same of people like me.

Good thing boating season is coming soon!
 
Well I knew my post would get things a little more lively in here. My reason to post is my close ties with the USA through family so I'm not completely an outsider. And I'm definitely not saying take your guns. I would say it would be nice to figure out a way to stop school shootings —that is heart breaking. As for commenting on your politics —they directly impact us up here and me personally from a business perspective. As well, I do like to pay attention to whats going on in the most influential country in the world. I was pretty sure the Michael Moore thing would get us talking. In fact he was completely wrong in what he said about Canada and guns - he is one to stir up shit for shit's sake. But he was right about the stuff in Flint. I spent time there back in the '80's —the place was F**ked.
 
Juliery said:
Tyranny: a nation governed with cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control.
So by definition you just had a tyrannical government under Trump. Think about kids in cages and thugs masquerading as cops in Portland, governing by executive order and Mitch McConnell, and forcefully removing peaceful protestors for a photo-op with a Bible he has never read. Oh, and then there's the Trump instigated Capital building thing ...
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You do realize who built the cages??
 
Juliery said:
Tyranny: a nation governed with cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control.
So by definition you just had a tyrannical government under Trump. Think about kids in cages and thugs masquerading as cops in Portland, governing by executive order and Mitch McConnell, and forcefully removing peaceful protestors for a photo-op with a Bible he has never read. Oh, and then there's the Trump instigated Capital building thing ...
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The only thugs in Portland were, and still are, BLM and Antifa. I believe our current president holds the executive order record. Where do you Canadians get this bullsh!t? Don't bother answering, it was rhetorical.

My wife's cousin married a Canadian. I liked him when they lived in Toronto and we only saw them for Christmas. Then they moved here and we see him all the time. I don't like him at all now. He feels compelled to lecture me on politics and talk about how superior Canada is, all while vaping THC. When I get tired of his lecture, I just pull out my gun and check to make sure there is a round chambered....:) Just kidding on the last part...after the THC.
 
I'm going on 60 yrs old and they've been using this line to keep the people stirred up as long as I can remember. It goes right along with the Border ,Gay rights, Climate change, Wars and Religion . Now I'm not saying if we don't keep an eye on our rights and Freedoms they wont take them but it sure seems like gun rights is one smoke screen they been dangling in front of us for ever. Oh by the way I don't personally own any Fire Arms maybe.
 
Anyone wanna move this conversation to socialism? We can start with free eduction. Those grade ones are getting away with murder not having to pay outta pocket to go to school! Healthcare anyone? Obviously I'm making a joke - I laugh at myself everyday ... so happy my boat goes back in the water in a of couple weeks.
 
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