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The alleged affairs took place in 2006. The hush money payments didn’t happen until 2016, right before the presidential election.

Coincidence, I suppose?
 
Iprof said:
Trump has been found guilty twice this year. How would you issue a pardon if no crime was commited? Would a President declare "a pardon is issued to me"? For what? If you did nothing wrong whats to pardon.
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I wasn't a part of any process or trial so I can't determine. You were not either. The pardon is typically reserved for sentencing that is excessive for the crime committed. Of course you knew that....
What is coming down on this man is vindictive and an abuse of the system. That's my take and I'm no fan of DT.
 
ttmott said:
I wasn't a part of any process or trial so I can't determine. You were not either. The pardon is typically reserved for sentencing that is excessive for the crime committed. Of course you knew that....
What is coming down on this man is vindictive and an abuse of the system. That's my take and I'm no fan of DT.
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I agree, none of have been part of the trials.
 
ClarkGriswold said:
I agree, none of have been part of the trials.
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Well apparently @Iprof has been strategizing with Bragg, so he's got that going for him.

Seriously though, any discussions about pardons in this case are irrelevant as this is being tried in state court and pardons do not apply to state proceedings.
 
ttmott said:
I wasn't a part of any process or trial so I can't determine. You were not either. The pardon is typically reserved for sentencing that is excessive for the crime committed. Of course you knew that....
What is coming down on this man is vindictive and an abuse of the system. That's my take and I'm no fan of DT.
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The process for this trial started in 2019 when the story and payments were discovered. Its been one motion after another to delay this trial. Trump is his own worse enemy. He doesn’t know when to be quiet. Not one judge has said all the indictments against Trump are political. The evidence will decide a guilt or innocent verdict. The jury pool is 500 people for this criminal trial.
 
highslice said:
Well apparently @Iprof has been strategizing with Bragg, so he's got that going for him.

Seriously though, any discussions about pardons in this case are irrelevant as this is being tried in state court and pardons do not apply to state proceedings.
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You finally said something that is correct Trump can't pardon himself from any state trial.
 
highslice said:
Please point out in the indictment where the "other crime" in "intent to commit another crime" is identified.
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It's in the indictment you can read it yourself as I did.
New York State Supreme Court indictment with 34 counts of Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree not 31.
 
ttmott said:
I completely agree. But, @West Coast said "pardon himself of all federal crimes" which is vastly different than this premise. It seems several have the man convicted / guilty before the legal process. You have called him a criminal and denoted "evidence" which was not correct nor warranted. I get the render to dislike the guy but Jeez man - get an American soul and support innocent before proven guilty.
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I never said that. I actually said he is presumed innocent and that is why there will be a Trial.
 
ClarkGriswold said:
It's not illegal. Until you try and cover it up during the run-up to a presidental election by falsifying business records. I mean, if that's what happened. He is presumed innocent, of course.

Just read the indictment. It tells you what you need to know.

apnews.com

Read the full indictment against Trump

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So personal business records of a private company. That's what we are going with? If In my business, I classify something as X and it is actually Y, who exactly is harmed? Fk, now I'm subject to be charged? It's a farce to the Nth degree. To bad TDS blinds your kind to it.
 
Iprof said:
Maybe follow the trial and listen to the charges and the evidence presented by both sides. That would definitely help you to understand the laws the state says we're broken.
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Which again means you have done zero critical thinking and have zero clue.

Come on man. Enlighten use with some professorial wisdom. Give us your own analysis. You can do it.
 
highslice said:
Couple things you are missing. The indictment references "intent to commit another crime" several times. That is actually the crucial part of the indictment. Without that, the alleged 'falsifying of business records" could only be tried as a misdemeanor and the statute has run. So Bragg has to prove intent to commit another crime. We'll see.
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"Another crime" which didn't work against the last guy they tried it on. Anyone remember???
 
ttmott said:
I completely agree. But, @West Coast said "pardon himself of all federal crimes" which is vastly different than this premise. It seems several have the man convicted / guilty before the legal process. You have called him a criminal and denoted "evidence" which was not correct nor warranted. I get the render to dislike the guy but Jeez man - get an American soul and support innocent before proven guilty.
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Sorry man, but the American Soul is on life support.
 
Golfman25 said:
So personal business records of a private company. That's what we are going with? If In my business, I classify something as X and it is actually Y, who exactly is harmed? Fk, now I'm subject to be charged? It's a farce to the Nth degree. To bad TDS blinds your kind to it.
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"too" bad indeed.
 
ClarkGriswold said:
"too" bad indeed.
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Typical clown response from you.

The law they are using is an anti-embezzlement law. It protects businesses from their personnel falsifying records to cover up their theft -- Like when an accounting clerk falsifies and invoice and pays herself. Extremely hard to embezzle from yourself. But I guess Me can embezzle from myself and I.

Got to give these Democrats an "A" for creativity. They'll stop at nothing.
 
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