The truth about wearing a mask -finally

And just like Facebook... No one's opinion, position or thoughts are changed in a thread no matter how much proof, name calling or profanity is used...
 
So for those of you that don't want to wear a mask, let me get this straight.

Lets say I am in your marina and I come down with COVID and am coughing and contagious. But I want to self isolate at my boat at the marina and use the facilities there rather than infect my family. I guess you are saying that is my right to do so, and you have no problem if I don't wear a mask while moving around and going to the washrooms and restaurant? You are really OK with that?
 
Yes....and please cough on me as well. Come over to my bbq and cough on our food while you're at it. Really-to that extreme, ay?o_O

So are you advocating that if you knowingly have covid, it's okay to go out with a mask anyway?
 
Yes....and please cough on me as well. Come over to my bbq and cough on our food while you're at it. Really-to that extreme, ay?o_O

So are you advocating that if you knowingly have covid, it's okay to go out with a mask anyway?

It seems that a lot of people on this thread are saying that it would be my constitutional right to do so. So if I don't care about the risks to others, I guess I can be your slip neighbor and there is sweet F.A. you can do about it? Other than it would be your right to leave the marina until I get better or die.
 
So for those of you that don't want to wear a mask, let me get this straight.

Lets say I am in your marina and I come down with COVID and am coughing and contagious. But I want to self isolate at my boat at the marina and use the facilities there rather than infect my family. I guess you are saying that is my right to do so, and you have no problem if I don't wear a mask while moving around and going to the washrooms and restaurant? You are really OK with that?
Absolutely that's your right and I assume that risk when I don't wear a mask (Btw: not a single person wears them at my marina) Just like I assume that risk of you being on the road drunk, it's a risk we take as humans. You will never avoid all risk.

You be you though.

Have a great weekend on the boat with your mask

Cheers!
 
So for those of you that don't want to wear a mask, let me get this straight.

Lets say I am in your marina and I come down with COVID and am coughing and contagious. But I want to self isolate at my boat at the marina and use the facilities there rather than infect my family. I guess you are saying that is my right to do so, and you have no problem if I don't wear a mask while moving around and going to the washrooms and restaurant? You are really OK with that?
So even before COVID I never hung around people who are coughing and sneezing. So now with COVID I would see your sorry ass and head 180 degrees in the other direction. See I can avoid the COVID.
 
So for those of you that don't want to wear a mask, let me get this straight.

Lets say I am in your marina and I come down with COVID and am coughing and contagious. But I want to self isolate at my boat at the marina and use the facilities there rather than infect my family. I guess you are saying that is my right to do so, and you have no problem if I don't wear a mask while moving around and going to the washrooms and restaurant? You are really OK with that?

Nope! You know you are sick, a whole different ballgame.

So an individual unknowingly has HIV, has sex with a partner, the partner contracts HIV.

Did the individual commit a crime? Did the individual do anything wrong? No, not at all, the individual had no knowledge.

So a different individual knowingly has HIV, has sex with a partner, the partner contracts HIV.

A crime has been committed.

We have no restrictions on even those at high risk of HIV and it has killed more than C-19 is projected to at this point and all projections have been way overblown.

We are discussing making healthy people wear masks because some are scared, not whether sick folks should take precautions to not spread what they know is contagious.

One more example, Joe started new blood pressure meds and they make him have coughing fits, he should mask up because of them, so should anyone with a cold.
 
Great post, beat me to it, here was mine. LOL

Apparently WHO, who I have often been critical of for their China connections, doesn't buy into the American subservience trend of trying to force masks on the sheeple*.





That is just about a 180 degrees from what the US media are promoting. And the advice passes the common sense test. I guarantee that no one outside of a medical setting is doing it properly and homemade masks are downright impossible to do safely.


https://www.who.int/emergencies/dis...9/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks
The specific article was based on the healthcare system. But the principle remains the same, a mask will prevent an asymptomatic person from infecting others. It wasn’t my choice of source. ElCapitan posted it using the first lines (And ignoring the rest) claiming it was scientific proof masks don’t work.
But why should they be compelled? Avoid them or go somewhere else.
 
“God given rights you were born with”? I won’t even ask you which God your theory is based on. Did you miss your entire elementary and secondary education that covered government and laws and us history? The only rights you have are those granted under the constitution and laws of this country. And BTW there is no constitutional right to privacy. All we have are specific laws that cover specific privacy topics. The very fact these laws exist is precisely because there is no fundamental constitutional right to privacy.

So I can’t be taking away anything you never had.

Doesn’t the 4th amendment cover right to privacy and search and seizure?

Once again, please quote the section in the Constitution.

Didn’t I quote the 9th 10th and 4th amendments? I know you asked another poster but no interpretation of the post I made regarding this?

I’m not Being jerk I am just curious of your opinion based on your knowledge.

The constitutional principle actually in play is "Police Power", which is the right of the states under the Tenth Amendment to regulate and enforce order, particularly in this context regarding public health. The Supreme Court has rarely chosen to try and interfere with this right.

The precedent that focuses on the subject of this thread is Jacobson v. Massachusetts, which stemmed from the state's enforcement of a compulsory vaccination law established in response to an ongoing epidemic. The court held that "in every well ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand" and that "Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others." (My emphasis)

This case has already been used during Covid as the basis for a Federal Court of Appeals decision to uphold a Texas regulation that halted abortions during the state's ban on non-essential medical procedures. I imagine it will be tested again in the near future.

You must be an attorney. Interesting post.


Forcing one to wear a mask because you are afraid is depriving one of liberty without due process. Simple as that.

Off to work on the boat now, I'm out...

I agree but if you are in a masking situation it is the right thing to do.

I guess we all now know how that caveman felt when someone pointed at his junk and, for the first time in human history, yelled, “PUT A MASK OVER THAT DAMN THING!!”

Well, it wasn’t a cave man/Neanderthal, it was Adam who was ashamed of himself after Eve ate from the tree of knowledge. We are created in the image of God!
 
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So for those of you that don't want to wear a mask, let me get this straight.

Lets say I am in your marina and I come down with COVID and am coughing and contagious. But I want to self isolate at my boat at the marina and use the facilities there rather than infect my family. I guess you are saying that is my right to do so, and you have no problem if I don't wear a mask while moving around and going to the washrooms and restaurant? You are really OK with that?

Im fine widit. It’s your right unless the marina has a restriction. You also have the right to exercise good judgement within reasonable steps of caution. But you may choose not to do that.

That’s where my rights come into play. I have the right to throw an infected moron who carelessly exposes me into the drink.

See? Problem solved. Freedoms are great that way.
 
So if I have a truck load of mask to sell at 49.00 a case. should I post it here on under the classified section.
I am néw to the board and just saw the topic “mask”
 
The biggest fallacy is that we can hide inside from C-19 or wear a mask and never have to deal with the scary virus. WRONG! The spread was always going to be the spread, we were originally told we were going to flatten the curve to preserve healthcare from being overwhelmed, we succeeded.

Now it is time to live life. The virus is never going away, get that? Never! It is a permanent part of life on this planet for humans. Either get busy living or dying, but we must live and cannot run around in masks for every virus that pops up. This has not lived up to the hype they told us it was.

So why do they want to push mask wear and make it mandatory in some states?

...cloth masks are largely symbolic. The science hasn’t changed, but the agenda has.

Implementing mandatory mask policies across a society of 300 million because it makes some people feel better is absurd on its face. But the policy makes a lot of sense if you understand its purpose and usefulness to shift the American mindset.

Mandatory masks are a critical predicate conditioning us to accept abuses of our liberty. Mandatory masking provides the foundation on which governments continue to justify emergency measures and rule by executive fiat, and it creates a national mood of consent that America will accept indefinite government expansion because we face a “new normal.”


We can post counter arguments on mask wear, their efficacy, proper technique, the risks of mask wear, all night and never reach agreement.

No one has the right to control the breathing of another free human under the constitution. I hear the Chinese are good at making folks do what they want them to there, might check them out, might be a place to retire to...
Could not be said better MM. Wear a mask if that is what you think you need to do, If you feel threatened by those that don't wear a face covering then wear an N 95 mask and face shield to protect yourself. While your at it don't forget the tin hat to protect yourself from the contrails and the electromagnetism from overhead power lines, oh and don't forget about the radiation emanating from your cell phone that will give you cancer.
There comes a time when we just need to look at who is making the noise and who is benefitting personally from extending the hysteria: The politicians that love the attention who BTW have no problem sitting in a make up chair being spruced up for daily pressers are the same MFRs that tell me its not safe for ME to get a hair cut. How is it safe for them but not us? IT IS NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH AMERICA IT IS ABOUT YOUR FREEDOM!!! LETS WAKE UP AND GET BACK TO A GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE.
CARPE DIEM OUT!
 
Im fine widit. It’s your right unless the marina has a restriction. You also have the right to exercise good judgement within reasonable steps of caution. But you may choose not to do that.

That’s where my rights come into play. I have the right to throw an infected moron who carelessly exposes me into the drink.

See? Problem solved. Freedoms are great that way.

That post says it all..... So not wearing a mask makes someone a moron..... but only if they are infected. What about the many many people that are asymptomatic? You would not know if I am infected or not. that is the whole point.
 
That post says it all..... So not wearing a mask makes someone a moron..... but only if they are infected. What about the many many people that are asymptomatic? You would not know if I am infected or not. that is the whole point.

You don’t read too good eh. Bubye.
 
Since appeals to common decency and documenting the constitutional validity of temporarily restricting freedom in the interest of the greater good don't seem to resonate, how about an economic argument? There are a lot of individuals frightened by the virus right now, justified or not, particularly those at greatest risk. To the extent those folks don't want to come out, the economy is going to continue to suffer. In my opinion, they will not come out unless they feel safe. Even one random unmasked individual in the supermarket really upsets them in my experience. As a group, the current cohort of elderly citizens have the largest amounts of disposable income in the US thanks to pensions, investments and Social Security. I believe they (we, actually) will stay hunkered down and not spend that income for a good long time unless and until they don't feel endangered when outside their homes. Mitigating measures such as masking serve to increase confidence and might just help us avoid the depression I'm afraid may be in our future if it is not already here.
 
So if I have a truck load of mask to sell at 49.00 a case. should I post it here on under the classified section.
I am néw to the board and just saw the topic “mask”
Please make sure you pay the $40 fee and follow all the rules for a classified posting.
 
Since appeals to common decency and documenting the constitutional validity of temporarily restricting freedom in the interest of the greater good don't seem to resonate, how about an economic argument? There are a lot of individuals frightened by the virus right now, justified or not, particularly those at greatest risk. To the extent those folks don't want to come out, the economy is going to continue to suffer. In my opinion, they will not come out unless they feel safe. Even one random unmasked individual in the supermarket really upsets them in my experience. As a group, the current cohort of elderly citizens have the largest amounts of disposable income in the US thanks to pensions, investments and Social Security. I believe they (we, actually) will stay hunkered down and not spend that income for a good long time unless and until they don't feel endangered when outside their homes. Mitigating measures such as masking serve to increase confidence and might just help us avoid the depression I'm afraid may be in our future if it is not already here.
Alnav, I don't think anyone is questioning that seniors are frightened and concerned and certainly they have been frightened by the way the government has responded and continues to spook the herd with the information that they control. I have actually yet to see solid reporting on the double blind testing and experiments being conducted to inform the guidelines. We see these politicians citing models and "experts" pontificating on what we 'need' to do to stay safe but where is the experimental proof that any of it actually works? Is some one in a lab somewhere actually taking covid positive people with symptoms talking to a lab rat or monkey from four feet away and then testing them a few days later to see if they have been infected? And then repeating the test a couple of hundred times to come up with definitive results? Then are they taking the same infected people and masking them up and having them repeat the exercise and determining that indeed the ape or rat was 100 percent protected by the masked person? It seems all this is theoretical and not actually proven. Of course if it was proven that there was no effectiveness to wearing the mask do you think that would be reported and inform policy? Bottom line is this, which is it? Does six feet distance keep you safe from infection or is it the masks or is it both or is it neither? We just can't trust our government that is comprised of humans rightfully bent on their own self interest to be truthful and do what is in the interest of the people. That would take true statesmanship and sadly that is a long lost concept. I like to make decisions about my life on hard proven facts and there are precious few of those available with respect to the Covid. Just look at the corrupt way the dead are being counted. I heard that Colorado's numbers were inflated by 30%, who does that benefit? Its just a big shit show and a lot of scoundrels will be skimming huge sums before it is over and no one will go to jail over it. Maybe if the Seniors think about it a little more and use a healthy dose of cynicism they might rest a bit easier.
Just something I've been munching on.
Cheers
 
Alnav, I don't think anyone is questioning that seniors are frightened and concerned and certainly they have been frightened by the way the government has responded and continues to spook the herd with the information that they control. I have actually yet to see solid reporting on the double blind testing and experiments being conducted to inform the guidelines. We see these politicians citing models and "experts" pontificating on what we 'need' to do to stay safe but where is the experimental proof that any of it actually works? Is some one in a lab somewhere actually taking covid positive people with symptoms talking to a lab rat or monkey from four feet away and then testing them a few days later to see if they have been infected? And then repeating the test a couple of hundred times to come up with definitive results? Then are they taking the same infected people and masking them up and having them repeat the exercise and determining that indeed the ape or rat was 100 percent protected by the masked person? It seems all this is theoretical and not actually proven. Of course if it was proven that there was no effectiveness to wearing the mask do you think that would be reported and inform policy? Bottom line is this, which is it? Does six feet distance keep you safe from infection or is it the masks or is it both or is it neither? We just can't trust our government that is comprised of humans rightfully bent on their own self interest to be truthful and do what is in the interest of the people. That would take true statesmanship and sadly that is a long lost concept. I like to make decisions about my life on hard proven facts and there are precious few of those available with respect to the Covid. Just look at the corrupt way the dead are being counted. I heard that Colorado's numbers were inflated by 30%, who does that benefit? Its just a big shit show and a lot of scoundrels will be skimming huge sums before it is over and no one will go to jail over it. Maybe if the Seniors think about it a little more and use a healthy dose of cynicism they might rest a bit easier.
Just something I've been munching on.
Cheers
100% agree.

They told us when this started that mask don’t work. Fauci and the surgeon general saying this on tv. Then in typical government fashion they flip flopped and said you must wear a mask to protect others. By them saying it protects others instead of yourself it creates tension between us. Makes you look like I don’t care when that’s not the truth. It’s psychology warfare. How about this, you make sure you’re protected and I’ll do the same. You know, personal responsibility. When you’re done being scared then you can take the mask off.

Stop with the virtue signaling
 

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