The saga begins - bringing my $100 Seville CC back to life

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  1. OldEngineer

    OldEngineer New Member GOLD Sponsor

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    Oct 3, 2016
    Northern Virginia
    1986 Seville CC, 3L 140 Mercruiser, Alpha I Drive, lovingly towed by "Tater" (2009 GMC Sierra)
    3L 140 Mercruiser w/Alpha I Drive
    All y'all,

    quick update, pics to follow. 'Ohana is now parked all snuggy in our driveway. We solved the half-lowered sterndrive by unbolting the trim pistons, and strapping the unit up as high as it could go with a ratcheting cargo strap. Hooked her up to Big Tater, and backed her into the driveway with no scraping! Her trailer is now up on jackstands, so she is stabilized. Gave her a good bath, all the ugly rust stains are gone!:smt038 Reconnected the lift pistons, connected a battery to her engine and tilt pump leads, and lo and behold, the tilt system works! As dusk fell, we looked at her instrument console, and woo-hoo! All the instrument lights are lit! The kids found the horn button, and yep! That worked too *chuckle* Now all I have to do is troubleshoot the running lights; they are dark. Oh yeah, the bilge pump and bilge blower need love as well, hoses are shot.

    'Ohana is slowly coming to life. Next up is the outdrive, but I'll have to engineer a removal strategy for myself, my step-daughter's strong young boyfriend has gone the way of all boyfriends (idjit doesn't know what he is missing out on *humph*)

    Baby steps, but we are feeling good about 'Ohana Nani Nui.

    Regards to all,

    Al and Bernadette
     
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2016
  2. Mike Blake

    Mike Blake Active Member

    Jan 27, 2012
    Yankeetown FL West coast
    89 340 Sundance all Raymarine.
    Gas hogs 454X2.
    You know there are other uses for Vaseline................
     
  3. OldEngineer

    OldEngineer New Member GOLD Sponsor

    26
    Oct 3, 2016
    Northern Virginia
    1986 Seville CC, 3L 140 Mercruiser, Alpha I Drive, lovingly towed by "Tater" (2009 GMC Sierra)
    3L 140 Mercruiser w/Alpha I Drive
    Quick Update redux: got out my handy-dandy freebie Harbor Freight Multimeter and troubleshot the running lights: voltage is good to bow and stern lights. The bow light fixture is shot, so new one on order. The aft light pole is AWOL, so new one is also on order. After putting a full charge in the battery, and cleaning all the wire terminals, checked the bilge pump and bilge blower. Bilge blower was frozen, but as soon as I turned it by hand, it started and ran by itself! Gave it a good shot of WD-40, and it quieted down and stopped vibrating. I think I have to fill the bilge with water to check the bilge pump, since it has a float switch. (Shouldn't the console switch override the float switch? I don't know, anybody's thoughts on this one?)

    Anyhow, one more baby step towards resurrecting this sweet boat.

    Regards to all,

    Al and Bernadette
     
  4. Boater420

    Boater420 Member

    675
    Mar 11, 2015
    Clearwater, FL
    '97 330 Sundancer
    V-Drives
    Westerbeke 4.5BCG
    Twin Merc 454's
    Cprrect. The dash switch should turn on the bilge pump.
     
  5. trflgrl

    trflgrl Member SILVER Sponsor

    834
    Jun 23, 2014
    Middle Tennessee
    1989 Sundancer 300
    Twin 350 Merc/Alpha 1 Gen 1; Quicksilver 4.0 gen
    Yes to testing with water and yes to testing with dash switch.
     
  6. OldEngineer

    OldEngineer New Member GOLD Sponsor

    26
    Oct 3, 2016
    Northern Virginia
    1986 Seville CC, 3L 140 Mercruiser, Alpha I Drive, lovingly towed by "Tater" (2009 GMC Sierra)
    3L 140 Mercruiser w/Alpha I Drive
    Quick update: nav lights came in the mail last Friday, installed bow and stern Saturday morning, all lit up when First Mate Daisy (13-year old grand-niece) hit the console switch. Yay!
     
  7. wrvond

    wrvond Member SILVER Sponsor

    192
    Aug 27, 2016
    West Virginia
    1995 Sundancer 270
    7.4 liter Mercruiser w/Bravo II
    About time for a photo update, isn't it?
     
  8. OldEngineer

    OldEngineer New Member GOLD Sponsor

    26
    Oct 3, 2016
    Northern Virginia
    1986 Seville CC, 3L 140 Mercruiser, Alpha I Drive, lovingly towed by "Tater" (2009 GMC Sierra)
    3L 140 Mercruiser w/Alpha I Drive
    Many apologies to all for the long hiatus, but Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years, plus family issues (happily resolved) all intervened, preventing any meaningful work done on Ohana. However, here she is, all decked out in her tactical stealth outfit, secure in our driveway. Scrungy old prop is off, prop shaft greased and covered with a baggie, test battery removed for the duration.

    So Tactical!
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    New bow light
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  9. wrvond

    wrvond Member SILVER Sponsor

    192
    Aug 27, 2016
    West Virginia
    1995 Sundancer 270
    7.4 liter Mercruiser w/Bravo II
    Here's my solution -
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  10. OldEngineer

    OldEngineer New Member GOLD Sponsor

    26
    Oct 3, 2016
    Northern Virginia
    1986 Seville CC, 3L 140 Mercruiser, Alpha I Drive, lovingly towed by "Tater" (2009 GMC Sierra)
    3L 140 Mercruiser w/Alpha I Drive
    All y'all,

    it was finally warm enough this weekend to put a little effort into fixing up Ohana. Couldn't do much with the boat herself, but got her up off of the trailer, and on boat jacks, and yes, the forward tarp is new, since the old one ripped during a windstorm we had last week. Oh, and it's too small, because I didn't take the Admiral with me to Harbor Freight when I went to buy a new one. When am I gonna learn ...

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    That's the good news. The so-so news is I wasn't smart enough to get the placement of the jacks such that I could pull the trailer out from underneath her. She is up high enough to work on the trailer, so y'all can see my next item on the to-do list: getting these rollers working or replaced, as needed.

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    I may also have to replace most or all of the U-bolts holding the darn thing together, since they are all rust-toast. Fortunately, since I am a packrat, I still have my nut-cracker from many years ago, so busting those rusted nuts will be time-consuming, but easy.

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    Sigh.
    All suggestions, encouragements, and commiserations gratefully received.
     
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2017
  11. Lazy Daze

    Lazy Daze Active Member TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 21, 2009
    PA
    Various
    Various
    Is the boat in the picture? I can't see it... :lol:

    U-bolts... just cut them off with a grinder. Super easy and super quick.

    I'm a little worried about the stands at the bow. I see you have them chained and they're definitely beefy enough. But it makes me cringe a little that those front ones could tip out. There's an easy way to get the trailer out from under the boat - just requires a floor jack, some concrete blocks and few pieces of 2x's. If you'd like, I'll explain, but I don't want to bore you if you don't want to. I'd just be uneasy working underneath - whatever you do, at least make sure to never have any part of you between the boat and the trailer. Sure would be easier, though, if you slid the trailer out! :smt001
     
  12. OldEngineer

    OldEngineer New Member GOLD Sponsor

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    Oct 3, 2016
    Northern Virginia
    1986 Seville CC, 3L 140 Mercruiser, Alpha I Drive, lovingly towed by "Tater" (2009 GMC Sierra)
    3L 140 Mercruiser w/Alpha I Drive
    Dennis,

    I share your concern for those two forward jackstands. They scare me too. I am wondering, perhaps I could pull the trailer forward enough to be able to put temporary supports under the boat, but behind the trailer axle. I think the trailer would be far forward enough that those supports would be forward of Ohana's center of gravity. I could then remove the forward jackstands, pull the trailer completely out from underneath, and reset the forward jackstands further underneath and further back under the hull. Your thoughts?
     
  13. Lazy Daze

    Lazy Daze Active Member TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 21, 2009
    PA
    Various
    Various
    Yes, that's the idea. I'll try and paraphrase the general idea and then you can take it from there. The first thing you need is a floor jack (bottle jacks can work, but they're "tippy", so be careful). Now it looks like the boat's keel is too high for a floor jack to reach (since the aft is so high because of the stands) so you may need to first build a simple (but sturdy!) support stand/step to place it on. You can jack under the keel all the way forward till about where your horn is.

    Start by pulling the trailer as far forward as you can. Then jack the keel up enough to be able to remove the forward stands. Pull the trailer forward again until the first crossmember reaches the jack. Lower the boat back onto the trailer, move the jack behind the crossmember and jack it up again. Pull the trailer forward again until you reach the axle... repeat the procedure. Do it again when you get to the rear crossmember. It would be a good idea to have the trailer attached to your truck so it doesn't rise up with the boat weight on the rear of the trailer - or keep using those jack stands. Now the trailer is free and you can lower the boat onto the stands (in a better position as you pointed out).

    Side note... personally, I like having support under the forward keel - and this is where the cement blocks come into play as you can stack them two by two, rotating 90* as you go, ending up with one block and a piece of wood to protect the keel (if using a 2X lumber, be sure the grain is perpendicular to the keel). For this size boat, you really only need three points of contact - the two aft corners and one under the bow keel. Larger boats require more keel support, along with chine support. You have the stands, but the blocks can also be used under the aft corners - just an fyi.

    Lastly, use separate chain/straps to tie left/right and forward/back. You essentially have a circle - better than nothing, though.

    This process probably sounds more complicated than it really is. After you've done it a time or two, it's about a 30-minute job. I did this for the first time in my driveway with a boat about your size when I was 14 or 15 years old. My dad came home from work and his only comment was "Alright, well, just put it back when you're done." :smt001
     
  14. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 20, 2010
    Tri Cities, WA
    1995 550 Sedan Bridge,
    2010 Boston Whaler 130 Super Sport,
    1981 Boston Whaler 130 Sport,
    CAT 3406C's, 580hp.
    OldE, I'm enjoying your pics and story and learned how to get a boat up off the trailer. I'm going to bottom paint my Whaler and was wondering how to get it off the trailer.

    Keep posting. I love it.
     
  15. blaster

    blaster Active Member SILVER Sponsor

    May 23, 2011
    potomac river
    2010 sea ray 205 sport
    F150 5.4 xlt 4x4
    Mercruiser 4.3 mpi alpha 1.62
    Yeah, this is good stuff. I can't wait to see you out on the water.
     
  16. OldEngineer

    OldEngineer New Member GOLD Sponsor

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    Oct 3, 2016
    Northern Virginia
    1986 Seville CC, 3L 140 Mercruiser, Alpha I Drive, lovingly towed by "Tater" (2009 GMC Sierra)
    3L 140 Mercruiser w/Alpha I Drive
    All y'all,

    We did it! Me, First Mate and Second Mate (Daisy and Kane). With Dennis' procedure and a little patience, the trailer came out from under Ohana without a "hitch" *heh-heh* Apologies for only taking pictures after the fact, but in the heat of battle I was more concerned about young folks fingers and toes and such. Also, the interim jack point was right under the bow eye, and looked very scary, but allowed me to move the trailer forward enough to place the side and keel jackstands in their final positions. See below for final results:

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    Regards to all,
     
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2017
  17. Lazy Daze

    Lazy Daze Active Member TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 21, 2009
    PA
    Various
    Various
    Lookin' good, Al! I bet it feels SO much nicer (and easier!) to be able to work on the trailer out in the open!

    Can I make on or two little suggestions? First, move the jack back to about below your horn. The jack is a little too far forward where it is. Secondly, those 4x's that the jack is sitting on. They're plenty strong, but we can make the top two a little more secure by adding a third 4x and then screwing a piece of ply over top of the three of them, then setting the jack on top of the 4x/ply contraption. I just don't like how the feet of the jack are close to the edges of the 4x's - just a little bit of movement from the boat could cause the 4x's to tip and the jack falls off. Granted you have the extra stands, but better safe than sorry!

    Nice job, though!
     
  18. JVM225

    JVM225 Active Member

    Apr 8, 2008
    Farmingdale, NY
    2002 410 Sundancer, Monaco Edition.
    3126 Cats.
    I agree, plus moving the jack stand back will raise the bow a bit and better allow any rain water to drain out of the boat.
    The Jack Stand up on the 2 separate 4X4's is a little scary. One of them could kick out on you when you're moving around in the boat. I might get rid of the Jack Stand all together and just stack up more wood to get to the desired height.
     
  19. blaster

    blaster Active Member SILVER Sponsor

    May 23, 2011
    potomac river
    2010 sea ray 205 sport
    F150 5.4 xlt 4x4
    Mercruiser 4.3 mpi alpha 1.62
    It's like playing jack stand Jenga.
     
  20. OldEngineer

    OldEngineer New Member GOLD Sponsor

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    Oct 3, 2016
    Northern Virginia
    1986 Seville CC, 3L 140 Mercruiser, Alpha I Drive, lovingly towed by "Tater" (2009 GMC Sierra)
    3L 140 Mercruiser w/Alpha I Drive
    Quick update,

    This past month's budget allowed a purchase of enough rollers to refit the stern-most 8 on the trailer. Here they are:

    ThefixPart1.jpg

    Will update again tomorrow after install on the trailer.
     

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