The Long Island Loop – Points of Interest

Russ Calasant said:
The 8th at Coecles is perfect, I have never been in there but I am told its fantastic, I would like to check it out.
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The pic above was taken in Coecles Harbor. The marina there is ok, nothing spectacular, but the Harbor is beautiful and very protected if you're considering mooring or anchoring.
 
Brian,

Beautiful shot, but you need to meet us back there for re-take with high resolution camera, so you could submited for the yearly calendar. LOL. Are you around the area on Aug 8th (i know you've mentioned your dates but I don't recall what they were)? It would be great if you could join us.
 
Alex

We'll be on the back end of our two week trip on the 8th. I'm not exactly sure where we'll be then but I do know on consideration for us is the time of the tide through Moriches Bay that day. High tide is 0631 and 1841, not optimal times, so not sure what we'll be doing. Right now the trip is planned from 7/24-8/8; Montauk, Block, Newport, American Wharf and maybe one other. I should firm it up within the next month, though I'm pretty sure Montauk will be our first stop.
 
Brian,

I just checked tides predictions info on http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/no...erval=highlow&format=Submit&Stationid=8513388

Moriches_CG_Station_Tides.jpg


Date Day Time Pred High/Low
2010/08/08 Sun 05:44 0.04 L
2010/08/08 Sun 10:31 2.28 H
2010/08/08 Sun 17:43 -0.01 L
2010/08/08 Sun 22:48 2.84 H

If I read it correctly, 10:31am is a good time. As I recall, you had advised to enter the Moriches Bay 20 min after. So, travelling Moriches at around 11am-11:30am could be perfect time for me. Why do we have different data on tide schedule, are we using different source?

Another question, if let's say we're not making the high tide I plan on just going very slow through troubled areas by buoy 24-29 and buoy 34 this way I can adjust the course fast if I see very shallow depths. Can I use the slow speed as a plan B to compansate or the depths are really low (I just need 2' at idle speed).
 
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Alex F said:
Brian,

I just checked tides predictions info on http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/no...erval=highlow&format=Submit&Stationid=8513388

Moriches_CG_Station_Tides.jpg


Date Day Time Pred High/Low
2010/08/08 Sun 05:44 0.04 L
2010/08/08 Sun 10:31 2.28 H
2010/08/08 Sun 17:43 -0.01 L
2010/08/08 Sun 22:48 2.84 H

If I read it correctly, 10:31am is a good time. As I recall, you had advised to enter the Moriches Bay 20 min after. So, travelling Moriches at around 11am-11:30am could be perfect time for me. Why do we have different data on tide schedule, are we using different source?

Another question, if let's say we're not making the high tide I plan on just going very slow through troubled areas by buoy 24-29 and buoy 34 this way I can adjust the course fast if I see very shallow depths. Can I use the slow speed as a plan B to compansate or the depths are really low (I just need 2' at idle speed).
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Something is wrong here, this is the link I followed which has the same address as yours, but gives me the high tide at the time I referenced;

http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/no...erval=highlow&format=Submit&Stationid=8513388


Confirmed by this;

http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/get_predictions.shtml?year=2010&stn=2812+Sandy%20Hook&secstn=Moriches+Coast+Guard+Station&thh=%2D0&thm=18&tlh=%2B0&tlm=48&hh=*0.47&hl=*0.60&footnote=

:huh:
 
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Ahhhh, just figured it out. Your looking at GMT not LDT.....gotta use LDT. And, no, I would not suggest going through Moriches at anything other than high tide + one hour after the flood tide.
 
bmac said:
Ahhhh, just figured it out. Your looking at GMT not LDT.....gotta use LDT. And, no, I would not suggest going through Moriches at anything other than high tide + one hour after the flood tide.
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Yeah, I saw the different time zone parameter in URL as you were posting. Thanks for clarification. I'm looking at 8/7 (the day we travel thru Moriches to Westhampton) and it looks just as bad. Now you got me scratching my head :smt101
 
Alex F said:
Yeah, I saw the different time zone parameter in URL as you were posting. Thanks for clarification. I'm looking at 8/7 (the day we travel thru Moriches to Westhampton) and it looks just as bad. Now you got me scratching my head :smt101
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Since you're coming from NJ and stopping for lunch on FI, I'd aim for the second high tide of the day. On the 7th that is 1752, though you could go through at 1700 and probably be safe. Westhampton Beach is one bridge opening and 10 minutes east of the last buoy in Moriches Bay.
 
bmac said:
Since you're coming from NJ and stopping for lunch on FI, I'd aim for the second high tide of the day. On the 7th that is 1752, though you could go through at 1700 and probably be safe. Westhampton Beach is one bridge opening and 10 minutes east of the last buoy in Moriches Bay.
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Thanks Brian,

I guess, this opens an opportunity to take longer lunch stop and chill for some time at Fire Island.

I got another quick question for you. I was reading the following on another board:

We followed our planned course east, marker by marker at 10 kts, until we approached Moriches Inlet. There was no boat traffic except for one guy heading toward us standing up in what I'd call a flats boat. He sees us and then points to our right. Not a little "point" but a big, "turn right, you idiots!" So we stopped and the flats boat motored right on by us. The consensus was that he was telling us that we couldn't continue east on the inside but to go through Moriches Inlet instead. So, we turned right and headed into the inlet leaving what looked like a small island on our left. The area just inside the inlet was full of boats, all fishing, and as we motored thought them, we noticed markers that would lead us not though the inlet but around that little island and back to our intended track on the inside. We followed them and came out on the other side of that island back on our original track, perhaps 3/4 of a mile further east. Better yet, we were in 4 feet of water! As we turned east again, we spotted a 38 ft. Bertram hard aground to the west, right where we would have been without the help from the flats boat guy. SeaTow was already there.

Is this the spot the guy was describing (sorry for the shaky pencil drawing, I'm on the laptop)? The way I understood his story is that it's not safe to follow the chart in this leg of the trip and the detour was the savier. Am I reading this correctly?

Moriches_PassAround2.jpg
 
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Alex F said:
About what, Russ?
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I dont have any charts or anything to reference here but coming from the East, going to Westhampton, do I need to be concerned with the tide? Or just when I am leaving WH and headind to FI and Atlantique?

Brings up a couple other questions, what nav program are you using on your cmputer and wher do I get it? and, does anyone know can/should reservations be made at Westhampton or is it first come/serve?
 
Russ Calasant said:
I dont have any charts or anything to reference here but coming from the East, going to Westhampton, do I need to be concerned with the tide? Or just when I am leaving WH and headind to FI and Atlantique?

Brings up a couple other questions, what nav program are you using on your cmputer and wher do I get it? and, does anyone know can/should reservations be made at Westhampton or is it first come/serve?
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You have it right Russ, Moriches Bay is west of Westhampton Beach, so you need to be concerned with the tide leaving WHB and on the way back before WHB. Reservations can and should be made for WHB.
 
Alex F said:
Is this the spot the guy was describing (sorry for the shaky pencil drawing, I'm on the laptop)? The way I understood his story is that it's not safe to follow the chart in this leg of the trip and the detour was the savier. Am I reading this correctly?

Moriches_PassAround2.jpg
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I've seen that quote before and I do believe that is the area being discussed by the poster but it is not the way to go through Moriches Bay. PM me and I'll give you my cell to discuss in more detail. This is what it looked like last year;

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Russ Calasant said:
I dont have any charts or anything to reference here but coming from the East, going to Westhampton, do I need to be concerned with the tide? Or just when I am leaving WH and headind to FI and Atlantique?

Brings up a couple other questions, what nav program are you using on your cmputer and wher do I get it? and, does anyone know can/should reservations be made at Westhampton or is it first come/serve?
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Russ,

I would get a paper chart to help you oversee the area, you'll need it as a backup to GPS anyway. From what I've learned there are troubled areas by buoy 24-29 and buoy 34 in Moriches Bay. The route from East to Westhampton looks to be less of a a consern comparing to passing Moriches going further West. By looking at the chart the channel is pretty shallow in many spots, so we have to listen closely to Brian, Rick and other folks from the area.

I'm using PC Planner with C-Map charts. My current chart cuts short and doesn't cover north/east of Shinnecock, so I'll have to get an additional C-Map chart. I haven't checked what my Navionics #16 chart shows, b/c PC Planner doesn't read it.

Here're couple of images of the area for you:

Moriches_Bay.jpg





Montauk_To_Westhampton.jpg


What GPS/Chartplotter do you have, what cards does it take? If it's Raymarine unit, then you can get free PC software downloaded from Raymarine site and get card reader for $75. This will get you started.

In the meantime, here's the site where you can view charts online for free (simply scroll through available charts and click on one to display, then use (+/- right/left arrows on the chart to move around):

http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/AtlanticCoastViewerTable.shtml
 
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BMAC has the correct route from last year. I think this area us undergoing a dredging project so it's best to wait for the route. Frank from WHB town dock always has the latest bouy information and he has been the most reliable source.
 
Rocket said:
BMAC has the correct route from last year. I think this area us undergoing a dredging project so it's best to wait for the route. Frank from WHB town dock always has the latest bouy information and he has been the most reliable source.
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Rocket is correct on calling Frank for the latest update. Moriches Bay can be a rapidly changing area and the USCG has been known to move buoys a number of times in the same season. Frank at WHB will have the latest GPS coordiantes for all of the buoys. Anytime the CG moves them either they or Sea Tow provides them to Frank. As for the dredging project, The ACoE has had delay after delay in opening the bids due to foot dragging on the part of the NYS DEC. :smt009 Apparently it's more important to protect a few Piping Plovers or bay anchovies than worry about safe navigation for 1000's of boaters transiting the area. :smt089 The project is intended to restore the channel to its original position, width and depth as when it was originally designated part of the ICW. We'll see if it gets done, bids are due to be open 2/16 but that date has been repeatedly moved back. :smt013
 
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