The future of EVs? Maybe not so bad?

Havana Shamrock said:
The charging stations are owned by private companies I believe Tesla / ChargePoint / plug share etc.
ChargePoint is by far the largest with Tesla coming in second.

So now you have to hate Pasquale Romano president/CEO of ChargePoint and not Elon Musk hahahahah
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We are near an interesting point in history, will the limited power we have go to the wealthy that want to charge luxury EV’s or to the masses for normal life?
 
Anybody talking about the cost of electric needs to be talking in terms of the "all-in" cost, not just the cost of generation of a kWh of power. Add in the distribution, base rate and any taxes. That means take the TOTAL BILL and divide by the kWh provided. Sometimes that's a lot more than the $/kWh 'advertised'.
 
km1125 said:
Anybody talking about the cost of electric needs to be talking in terms of the "all-in" cost, not just the cost of generation of a kWh of power. Add in the distribution, base rate and any taxes. That means take the TOTAL BILL and divide by the kWh provided. Sometimes that's a lot more than the $/kWh 'advertised'.
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No, because you have to have electricity. You don't get electricity just because you purchased an EV.

That's like saying I have to include my mortgage costs in the cost of owning a gas car, because I need a place to keep it at night.
 
jmauld said:
No, because you have to have electricity. You don't get electricity just because you purchased an EV.

That's like saying I have to include my mortgage costs in the cost of owning a gas car, because I need a place to keep it at night.
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Actually, you divide the fixed cost by the total usage to get an average Kw hour price. But no matter how you cut it up, it doesn't add up -- EVs are for rich people.
 
and sounding like depreciation on EV's is going to be horrible based on costs of replacing batteries. Who would want to buy a 5 year old EV knowing they may have to spend more than they paid for the vehicle in a few years for new batteries? So trade in value will be next to nothing after 5 years. Take a $50,000 that is $10,000/year depreciation, figure maybe $8000 cause it will have some residual value. Take a $50,000 ICE and in 5 years it will still likely be worth $30,000. That's $4000/year. So the EV would depreciate twice as fast. In the end I'm not sure there is an advantage either way.

Reminds me of back in 1989 when I went with my mother to buy a new car. There was a lady in the booth next to us that had bought a brand new Yugo a year earlier for $4000 and she was complaining that the dealer was only going to give her $1000. Salesman told her those are throw away cars.
 
Golfman25 said:
Actually, you divide the fixed cost by the total usage to get an average Kw hour price. But no matter how you cut it up, it doesn't add up -- EVs are for rich people.
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Works out to be about $2 more in my case. I’ll pay that instead of stopping at at an inconvenience store when I need to refill
 
Nater Potater said:
We don't get an evening discount here, only seasonal, since it's the summer months that draw a heavier load for a/c.
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Not only does Idaho Power offer year-round evening discounts (Time of Use rates), but the rates are impressive!

https://www.idahopower.com/energy-environment/green-choices/electric-vehicles/

I’m not here to convince anyone to buy an EV. If you don’t feel rowdy for one, don’t buy one.

What bothers me is the mis-information. We should all take anti-EV opinions from people on a boating forum who think memes are a source of facts as seriously as we would take anti-boating opinions from people who have never been on a boat.

It would be perfect if I could post an easily-debunked anti-boating meme right now to drive home my point, but there isn’t a giant conspiracy of ignorance fighting against boats…
 
jmauld said:
This is correct, you should not get rid of a perfectly good working car to pick up a an EV, but that argument works for a new ICE as well. If you WANT a new car, then sure give an EV a shot, you might be surprised, but there’s no point in trading just for the point of “going green” or saving money. That’s not how that works.

I have a strong suspicion that if the government subsidies for solar went away, the prices would drop.
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Yea but I'm not talking "trade" as trade in a car but rather a Trade Study or Trade all of the aspects in owning an automobile.
 
Here we go again!
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