The future of EVs? Maybe not so bad?

[Pirate Lady]

The current admin is doing everything they can to transition people as fast as they can

The current administration can kiss my gas producing ass. I will steal asshole Joe’s TransAm and go all Mad Max on his ass.
I will never get an EV. Not going to happen.
I have a gas furnace, a gas water heater, a gas stove. I had an all electric house, it sucked.

 

[MonacoMike]

New York state ,and probably many others, have rebate money available if you install a publicly accessible charging station at you business. People making their home chargers available to others (for profit)can’t be far behind.

Yes, always using OPM to further the leftist wet dream...

 

[Blueone]

Yes, always using OPM to further the leftist wet dream...

It’s unbelievable….how to get the poor to vote for you….promise them rich peoples money….. look at the stock market ….. the rich are going away …..great plan democrats

I had a friendly bank call me today a guy I know well……basically asking can I loan you any money…… I said to him ….I have no idea if he is Democrat or republican….I said bring back mean tweets and I will borrow all kinds of money from you……. this is not going to end well ……..this phuckn shit show is going to crash ….and these democrats want it

 

[firecadet613]

BTW the current F150 Lightning is an ICE based chassis that has been converted to EV. The next generation is only a couple years out and will be built from the ground up as an EV on a dedicated chassis. Probably best to wait for that one.

You are a master at stating the obvious.... the current gen F150 is largely unchanged since 2015....I had a 2016.

I'll pass. I'll stick to my free ICE.

 

[jmauld]

You are a master at stating the obvious.... the current gen F150 is largely unchanged since 2015....I had a 2016.

I'll pass. I'll stick to my free ICE.

And you are a master at being an asshole when I’m trying to have a legitimate conversation with you.

 

[Woody]

And you are a master at being an asshole when I’m trying to have a legitimate conversation with you.

You'll hurt someones feelings with words like that.

 

[jmauld]

You'll hurt someones feelings with words like that.

If I wanted to hurt his feelings I’d accuse him of being a closet Democrat.

 

[Blueone]

If I wanted to hurt his feelings I’d accuse him of being a closet Democrat.

Yikes…… that’s over the line…… this is an ev thread….stay within the boundaries

 

[boatman37]

Can you show me this route where there is 180 miles with no charger. You said yourself there was a charger within 20 miles of you.

* and again, I’m not saying EVs are for everyone. You guys just insist on nitpicking everything and bringing up these edge cases.

Not saying there are no charging stations along 'this guys' route. But suppose his meeting is in my town. What is he supposed to do? Leave his car plugged in at a charging station then Uber the 20 miles to my town then Uber back? Or are you suggesting he stop and wait an hour while his car charges before continuing on to his meeting? So now his 3 hour drive is 5 hours. At this point EV's just aren't feasible en masse. And it will be extremely inconvenient for much of the population if they are forced to go EV. My son used to drive about 200 miles a day in the middle of nowhere until Brandon shut his job down (gas pipeline). He used to tow his 8000lb travel trailer all over (towed it 9000 miles in 2 years). With his 2500 (any 2500 EV) he would likely only get 50-70 miles on a charge considering the Rivian only got 90 miles towing 7000lbs. Imagine that trip from here (Pittsburgh) to Williston, ND would take a week or two instead of 3 days.

 

[jmauld]

If you’re talking a 180 mile one way trip, this fictional employee would only need to stop at that station, that’s 20 miles from you, on the way home after the meeting. Charge for 15 minutes to get enough charge to make it home and be on with his life. He doesn’t have to sit there for an entire hour to add 300 miles of range when he only needs to add 60 miles of range to get home. This stop is no longer than a fuel/piss stop.

And once again, EVs aren’t ready to replace every scenario that you can come up with. If you’re towing long distances regularly then go get an ICE vehicle. No one is stopping you.

 

[firecadet613]

If you’re talking a 180 mile one way trip, this fictional employee would only need to stop at that station, that’s 20 miles from you, on the way home after the meeting. Charge for 15 minutes to get enough charge to make it home and be on with his life. He doesn’t have to sit there for an entire hour to add 300 miles of range when he only needs to add 60 miles of range to get home. This stop is no longer than a fuel/piss stop.

And once again, EVs aren’t ready to replace every scenario that you can come up with. If you’re towing long distances regularly then go get an ICE vehicle. No one is stopping you.

No one, no one at all...

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...-leadership-forward-on-clean-cars-and-trucks/

If I knew any better I'd say you voted for this shit.

Let's see....2022 F150 EV - 260 miles and you're dead in the water...or buy an F150 like I had, 2.7 Ecoboost with the 36 gallon tank and you've got a 700 mile range....

You realize all this advocating for EVs is hurting boaters, right? Boats burn gas/diesel...no EV Sea Rays anytime soon....

And you are a master at being an asshole when I’m trying to have a legitimate conversation with you.

It's the same damn truck. If one is dumb enough to look at the EV F150 and not know it's largely the same as the ICE...well...I'd say they likely live on the coasts and not middle America!

Speaking of that - if you haven't - take the tour at the Dearborn plant....love American Manufacturing! Wish I was able to take the Ram tour...but pics of my truck going down the line sufficed.

 

[boatman37]

And once again, EVs aren’t ready to replace every scenario that you can come up with. If you’re towing long distances regularly then go get an ICE vehicle. No one is stopping you.

This administration is doing everything they can to stop us

 

[Tim Fila]

I love my Tesla and will talk about it to anyone that asks. But, EVs are not for everyone....yet. Why must some people ram them down everyone's throat. Almost as bad as vegans...

Tim

 

[jmauld]

This administration is doing everything they can to stop us

No one forced me to buy an EV.

 

[Golfman25]

No one forced me to buy an EV.

just keep drinking the cool aid and ignoring the evidence of this administration’s war on oil.

 

[firecadet613]

I love my Tesla and will talk about it to anyone that asks. But, EVs are not for everyone....yet. Why must some people ram them down everyone's throat. Almost as bad as vegans...

Tim

Amen and thank you! We put 3,000 miles on my wife's SUV in the past 6 months...an EV would be great for her - hell an EV F150....but not at that pricetag...

 

[ttmott]

No one forced me to buy an EV.

I think what everyone implying is what's happening now and how our government is economically/artificially inflating the cost of owning internal combustion automobiles and trucks to make the expensive EV's viable regardless of their shortcomings; and, there are significant shortcomings. It's a government mission to make that Taco Bell employee evolve from her 1997 Toyota that she gets to work with and transport her kids to an expensive EV and have her deal with how to finance and charge the thing from the run-down apartment complex she lives in. I think you would agree we need to consider the overall landscape. It's rather depressing that we sit on our yachts and bloviate about our new Tesla while our government is tearing the heart out of the struggling root of our society.
Diesel, bunker oil, JP1, and gasoline are what literally drive the US market, in-fact the world market. The cost of fuel is directly proportional to the cost of goods and services. There will not be an EV solution for general transportation within the next 50 years and if we allow the administration to continue on their environmental/energy plan, we as a functioning, competitive society will greatly suffer; especially that young lady that is barely getting by working at Taco Bell.
It's great you enjoy your EV and it works for your purpose but prime time is not yet here as illustrated in this thread's title; we should not be so myopic.

 

[Golfman25]

I think what everyone implying is what's happening now and how our government is economically/artificially inflating the cost of owning internal combustion automobiles and trucks to make the expensive EV's viable regardless of their shortcomings; and, there are significant shortcomings. It's a government mission to make that Taco Bell employee evolve from her 1997 Toyota that she gets to work with and transport her kids to an expensive EV and have her deal with how to finance and charge the thing from her run-down apartment complex. I think you would agree we need to consider the overall landscape. It's rather depressing that we sit on our yachts and bloviate about our new Tesla while our government is tearing the heart our of the struggling root of our society.
Diesel, bunker oil, JP1, and gasoline are what literally drive the US market, in-fact the world market. The cost of fuel is directly proportional to the cost of goods and services. There will not be an EV solution for general transportation within the next 50 years and if we allow the administration to continue on their environmental/energy plan, we as a functioning, competitive society will greatly suffer; especially that young lady that is barely getting by working at Taco Bell.
It's great you enjoy your EV and it works for your purpose but prime time is not yet here as illustrated in this thread's title; we should not be so myopic.

You couldn’t be more wrong. It’s all unicorns and rainbows here in fantasy land.

 

[jmauld]

I have said in this very thread that EVs aren’t ready for prime time, there is NO WAY there will be 100% sales in 2035, and no one will be forced out of their ICE car in 2035. Yet the same things are posted over and over for 25 pages. These cars aren’t ‘evil’. They aren’t good or bad. They are simply mechanical devices that do a job. They do have advantages and disadvantages to gas cars. Those advantages and disadvantages will evolve over time. We will NEVER have 100% EV adoption. Not in 2035, not in 2050.

I don’t think the government should be manipulating gas prices. They should be investing in the development of technology (such as, but not limited to EVs). They should be investing in our grid. They should be investing in markets that will give us an upper hand over other countries. They should be working to incentivize manufacturing in our own country, so that we spend less fuel shipping products around the world, and that we have a wide variety of job options here instead of just medical and service jobs. One of my deciding factors in my car purchase was it’s US made content. Which, Tesla cars are near the top of that list. I briefly considered a Volvo, but I’m not interested in supporting them and their Chinese owners. My wife also looked at a Land Rover, but again that’s an Indian company and I’m not interested in supporting them. I’m not saying these things should be important to you, but they are important to me. Besides a Miata my last ten vehicle purchases were US / Canadian made vehicles.

Perhaps you guys think that I don’t care about the rising gas prices? That isn’t it. I do care. I also care that my son is losing options for decent jobs to countries like India and China. I just realize that there’s nothing we do or say here that will have an effect on these things. I also realize that one of the remaining benefits of this stupid two party system we have is that the other party will often undo the things that were done in the previous 4 years. And personally I don’t really enjoy talking about politics. Which is why I often disappear for a few weeks, because you guys NEVER stop talking politics. And really most of you don’t even talk politics, you’re just democrat bashing. Not everything they do is bad.

 

[Woody]

The folks that can't afford EV will be encouraged to consider this route. Some people think I'm stupid for saying it but it'll happen. If you'd say you have to far to pedal you'll be told to move. Eventually rural living will be minimized, everything you need and your life will be in the city.