The future of EVs? Maybe not so bad?

I am not sold yet fellas, if I get there I will review my first EV. Would love to have one that delivers like my Ford F250 Diesel. I am comfortable !
 
I think the market is still really young to pull over people that are on the fence. Let Ford and GM get their trucks released and bugs worked out for a year. Then jump. Unless the EV is going to supplement another car, just in case.
 
Henry Boyd said:
And in a bit of news from my daily news feed from the ATA:
https://www.meritor.com/14Xe?utm_so...gepSQO0sKG5BhHmJ2azSdoQXPVFLudWfr0m_lduRt109A

Since many of you may not be familiar, Meritor (formerly Rockwell) builds most of the live axles, trailer axles, transmissions, shiftable differentials, and brake shoes for the trucking industry world wide. That they now have a drop in electric power train for commercial trucks suggests to me this is here to stay.
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So riddle me this batman. How are you going to get enough power to fuel charging stations at a truck stop/rest stop in bumbleville USA?
 
jmauld said:
Affected yes. Maybe or maybe not heavily, depends on how you’re using it. Seems like heating is worst case since really low temperatures also decreases battery capacity,
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So maybe global warming will help. :)
 
Golfman25 said:
So riddle me this batman. How are you going to get enough power to fuel charging stations at a truck stop/rest stop in bumbleville USA?
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Power lines supplemented with battery storage and fuel cells
 
jmauld said:
Affected yes. Maybe or maybe not heavily, depends on how you’re using it. Seems like heating is worst case since really low temperatures also decreases battery capacity,
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Low temperatures do not affect capacity but rather the capability to charge the batteries. Tesla as well as all other EV manufacturers have liquid coolant systems to cool and heat the battery pack. Some of the battery energy goes into this system. Lithium-ion and Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries can function in below zero and above 130-degree F environments, but they can't be charged below 5 deg F and their life will be significantly shortened above 130-degree F. In EV's there are protective systems to prevent damage to the batteries.
 
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Pirate Lady said:
Dam right! Thanks for the compliment. much appreciated.
There is an ignore button if you prefer to hang with the non-experts. Push it.
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Damn is the curse word sir
 
ttmott said:
Low temperatures do not affect capacity but rather the capability to charge the batteries. Tesla as well as all other EV manufacturers have liquid coolant systems to cool and heat the battery pack. Some of the battery energy goes into this system. Lithium-ion and Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries can function in below zero and above 130-degree F environments, but they can't be charged below 5 deg F and their life will be significantly shortened above 130-degree F. In EV's there are protective systems to prevent damage to the batteries.
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Low temperatures do reduce capacity of lithium batteries just not as bad as lead-acid. Specs sheets show around 98% capacity down to freezing but it drops off rapidly after that. https://www.researchgate.net/public...viors_of_LiFePO4_cathode_for_Li-ion_batteries


It also appears that heating the car is more power intensive than cooling it. Even with a heated battery the effective range of the EV will be reduced due to heater use.
 
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Had this discussion with my family members yesterday on the practicality of an EV. If/when I live in a community and hopefully retired, in FL for instance, I could see the practicality of driving to the marina, Publix and local restaurants in an EV. But then again, why spend the money on an EV, when I could just get a large custom golf cart and live closer to the places mentioned above? I’ve seen some of your golf carts, they could handle the task at hand.
 
Our golf cart is an EV, and we use it for that purpose. I’m going to add a hitch to it so I can pull the dinghy to the ramp.
 
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jmauld said:
Low temperatures do reduce capacity of lithium batteries just not as bad as lead-acid. Specs sheets show around 98% capacity down to freezing but it drops off rapidly after that. https://www.researchgate.net/public...viors_of_LiFePO4_cathode_for_Li-ion_batteries


It also appears that heating the car is more power intensive than cooling it. Even with a heated battery the effective range of the EV will be reduced due to heater use.
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This is true In my experience. We’ve got a Prius Prime in the family. Without plugging in, it easily achieved 75+ mpg through the summer and fall. Once the cold temps hit, it dropped down into 55-60 mpg average.
 
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Espos4 said:
This is true In my experience. We’ve got a Prius Prime in the family. Without plugging in, it easily achieved 75+ mpg through the summer and fall. Once the cold temps hit, it dropped down into 55-60 mpg average.
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No doubt - batteries have to heat the batteries as well as the peeps...
 
jmauld said:
I know there’s a difference, but I think most people include power generation when they talk about “the grid”. I’m waiting for the day when they take the reigns off of nuclear and we can see more nuclear power investment, like we should’ve been doing for the past 40yrs. Damn hippies getting in the way of progress.
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Georgia Power is building the first new units in decades. They should have one online this year with the second one next year. I agree nuclear is the way to go.
 
Test drove a model 3 today. I’m going to have to show some serious restraint to not order one of these.
 
My brother in law is driving a Lucid Air this weekend. He likes the interior much more than the Tesla Plaid he had last weekend. He said the controls are kind of wonky like the Tesla. Not as quick as the Plaid and all of the ADAS software isn't functional yet. So, kind of rough around the edges. He wouldn't buy either one.
 
Partly my deep-rooted nerdism, partly low cost of operation (34¢ for 80 miles/full recharge), and a lot of hoping for some really crazy looks from other drivers (no, I'm not normally quite so narcissistic) I have one on order. It was originally supposed to be here this March, but, with all the shipping woes, who knows?
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https://sondorsx.com/pages/metacycle
 
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