Televised Jan 6 "Attack" hearings

firecadet613 said:
Trump offered the National Guard in advance, Pelosi declined. Capital Police are on camera holding the doors open letting people in...
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Not relevant to the crimes being committed. Anyone in that mob that entered the building knew exactly what they were doing. That is why they were there. And if there were Capital police that let them in, they should be charged with whatever corrupt police are charged with.

Yes Pelosi should have known that the mob at the Trump rally would potentially be violent and storm the Capital. She was naive to assume that it wouldn't.. But it seems you are saying that Trump was aware that was likely and offered the National Guard (that's a very interesting observation - hmmm). And yet, despite that, Trump didn't give a clear message to the crowd. By god I think you're right. There are some dots that need to be connected fully. Let the hearing continue!
 
Creekwood said:
Not relevant to the crimes being committed. Anyone in that mob that entered the building knew exactly what they were doing. That is why they were there. And if there were Capital police that let them in, they should be charged with whatever corrupt police are charged with.

Yes Pelosi should have known that the mob at the Trump rally would potentially be violent and storm the Capital. She was naive to assume that it wouldn't.. But it seems you are saying that Trump was aware that was likely and offered the National Guard (that's a very interesting observation - hmmm). And yet, despite that, Trump didn't give a clear message to the crowd. By god I think you're right. There are some dots that need to be connected fully. Let the hearing continue!
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He delayed the start of his speech by over an hour while the BS at the capital had already started. I remember it vividly, couldn't figure out why he was so late.
 
Creekwood said:
Yes Pelosi should have known that the mob at the Trump rally would potentially be violent and storm the Capital. She was naive to assume that it wouldn't..
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Nancy Pelosi is a lot of things, most not good. But naive is NOT one of them. She did not have the capitol protected and hoped (or knew in advance - BLM/Antifa) that the so called "mob" would attack. That is one cold, calculating biatch.
 
highslice said:
Nancy Pelosi is a lot of things, most not good. But naive is NOT one of them. She did not have the capitol protected and hoped (or knew in advance - BLM/Antifa) that the so called "mob" would attack. That is one cold, calculating biatch.
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It has been said they knew of a plan to storm a week or two before. She chose not to act. That’s what the investigation should be about
 
highslice said:
Nancy Pelosi is a lot of things, most not good. But naive is NOT one of them. She did not have the capitol protected and hoped (or knew in advance - BLM/Antifa) that the so called "mob" would attack. That is one cold, calculating biatch.
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You are probably right. But it was not Pelosi supporters that stormed the capital.
 
Blueone said:
It has been said they knew of a plan to storm a week or two before. She chose not to act. That’s what the investigation should be about
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Probably should be part of it, but there would be a lot more support for that aspect of it if members of the GOP weren't trying to pretend it didn't happen, lying about what did happen, and condemning anyone that had any part it in it. But they won't and the show must go on.
 
firecadet613 said:
He delayed the start of his speech by over an hour while the BS at the capital had already started. I remember it vividly, couldn't figure out why he was so late.
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It wasn't his personal speech (despite what Pelosi says). It was an entire rally with many many speakers under an overall "stop the steal" theme. So the fact he was late is irrelevant. He was there and it was his machine that ran that rally, despite his attempts to distance himself from it.
 
Golfman25 said:
How much clearer is "march to the Capital to patriotically and peacefully protest" can you be?
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Yeah you are right, those two words, in the middle of hours of fiery speeches, stopped them dead in their tracks and they arm in arm sang kumbaya and went home. Pretty lame response for a guy who thought the National guard should be called in to protect the capital because of how bad it could get.

Both Pelosi and Trump are in this whos dick is bigger fight for years and BOTH of them wanted an "I told you so moment" and both of them got exactly what they wanted. And that whole mob were the pawns in a stupid game. And a few people died and a lot of people are going to jail.
 
Creekwood said:
You are probably right. But it was not Pelosi supporters that stormed the capital.
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It was her job to protect it. If you knew a million people were coming to the capitol in protest, would you tell the a National Guard to stand down?

This same shit happened to my city with our idiot Governor. My city burned. My neighborhood burned. We still have an autonomous zone.

So I live with Pelosi supporters that have destroyed livelihoods as well as lives.
 
I think the one thing we all agree on is to get this damn thing over with fast, and move on to important things.
As for this thread, someone tried to say earlier, "back to boating".
 
This thread was not intended to litigate the events of Jan 6, only point out the obvious waste of time the hearings about the event are. Since the conversation lateraled into what it has, I have wondered why, as commander in chief, Trump just 'offered' the national guard to Nancy instead of ordering them to stand guard himself? Why would it be up to Nancy to decide anything about capitol security? Why would it not be up to McConnell as speaker of the Senate? These just seem like really basic questions that need explanation. It may be linked to the fact that the US Military is prohibited from acting against US Citizens so the President could not place those orders? In any event its a Shit Show that is not likely to resolved as long as there are political points to be scored on both sides. So I'm with Creekwood and going back to worrying about important stuff like what to tackle next on the boat:)
 
Carpediem44DB said:
This thread was not intended to litigate the events of Jan 6, only point out the obvious waste of time the hearings about the event are. Since the conversation lateraled into what it has, I have wondered why, as commander in chief, Trump just 'offered' the national guard to Nancy instead of ordering them to stand guard himself? Why would it be up to Nancy to decide anything about capitol security? Why would it not be up to McConnell as speaker of the Senate? These just seem like really basic questions that need explanation. It may be linked to the fact that the US Military is prohibited from acting against US Citizens so the President could not place those orders? In any event its a Shit Show that is not likely to resolved as long as there are political points to be scored on both sides. So I'm with Creekwood and going back to worrying about important stuff like what to tackle next on the boat:)
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It has to do with separation of powers and the way the House and Senate are run. Bottom line they are responsible for their own digs and they failed miserably. There is more security at the zoo than there was that day.
 
OllieC said:
It was her job to protect it. If you knew a million people were coming to the capitol in protest, would you tell the a National Guard to stand down?

This same shit happened to my city with our idiot Governor. My city burned. My neighborhood burned. We still have an autonomous zone.

So I live with Pelosi supporters that have destroyed livelihoods as well as lives.
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Ollie,
Security for the Capitol Building is not the Speaker of the House of Representatives responsibility. Nor is authorizing any State or District’s National Guard to do, or not do anything unless the President and Vice President are unable to do their jobs. And if indeed she did contact a Guard Unit as Speaker and they did as you claim, shame on them for following orders from a source outside of their chain of command.

In point of fact, the only person who can trigger the actions of the military in a domestic action is the President under (ironically) the Insurrection Act of 1807 as updated.

If you want to criticize these proceedings, have at it. But at least get your facts right.
 
Carpediem44DB said:
This thread was not intended to litigate the events of Jan 6, only point out the obvious waste of time the hearings about the event are. Since the conversation lateraled into what it has, I have wondered why, as commander in chief, Trump just 'offered' the national guard to Nancy instead of ordering them to stand guard himself? Why would it be up to Nancy to decide anything about capitol security? Why would it not be up to McConnell as speaker of the Senate? These just seem like really basic questions that need explanation. It may be linked to the fact that the US Military is prohibited from acting against US Citizens so the President could not place those orders? In any event its a Shit Show that is not likely to resolved as long as there are political points to be scored on both sides. So I'm with Creekwood and going back to worrying about important stuff like what to tackle next on the boat:)
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This tread made me curious so I looked up how Capitol Hill security oversight works.
Overall security and direction of the Capitol Police is the responsibility of the Capitol Police Board. The members of this board on 6 Jan:
House Sergeant at Arms (appointed by the Speaker of the House, confirmed by the House)
Senate Sergeant at Arms (appointed by the Majority Leader, confirmed by the Senate)
Architect of the Capitol (appointed by President Trump, confirmed by the Congress)
Chief of the Capitol Police (non-voting)
So, if responsibility for the security lapse rests with the appointing official, it's spread between 2 Republicans and 1 Democrat.
The testimony in earlier hearings about the National Guard was that the police thought it might be needed and good to have them on-site but that the Sergeant at Arms of the Senate didn't concur but and asked that they be in hot standby.
The National Guard deployment itself is complicated by the special status of the District of Columbia. Usually state governors have the ability to directly call up the Guard. But, in the case of the District, the Secretary of Defense had to approve. The testimony was that this took quite a bit of time after it became obvious that there was a real mess that required help. The Guardsmen themselves were pretty much locked and loaded and sitting on transport waiting for the word to deploy.
 
This whole hearing is a steaming sack of horse shit. Pelosi rejecting the Republican appointees and then appointing anti Trump people to sit there invalidates anything they come up with. It's a dog and pony show. The first Capitol Police Officer could barely even read the statement he supposedly wrote. He mispronounced half of the words in it. Karma is a bitch and that bitch is going to get a big helping of it some day in the not too distant future I pray.
 
Henry Boyd said:
Ollie,
Security for the Capitol Building is not the Speaker of the House of Representatives responsibility. Nor is authorizing any State or District’s National Guard to do, or not do anything unless the President and Vice President are unable to do their jobs. And if indeed she did contact a Guard Unit as Speaker and they did as you claim, shame on them for following orders from a source outside of their chain of command.

In point of fact, the only person who can trigger the actions of the military in a domestic action is the President under (ironically) the Insurrection Act of 1807 as updated.

If you want to criticize these proceedings, have at it. But at least get your facts right.
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If true, and she had no hand in any security decisions, then I stand corrected. Mizz Eva Pelosi should have no problem answering these questions the.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ho...nswers-pelosi-security-decisions-capitol-riot
 
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