So you got into a shooting. Now what?

My grandparents lived next door to a busy bar. It was a little out of town where everyone owned a few acres and it was very quiet and the bar was visited by mostly regulars. My grandparents never locked their doors. One night my grandmother woke up to a guy getting in bed with her. He thought he was at his house. My grandfather was a truck driver and was out on the road. Luckily when she screamed the drunk guy jumped up and ran out. There were guns in the house but not sure my grandmother had ever fired one before. This was back around the early 90's. And those same grandparents used to live in Moundsville, WV, not far from the state penitentiary. One morning she woke up and their car was gone. It was found a few miles down the road out of gas. This was back in the 60's. Turns out 2 men escaped from the prison and broke into their basement and were there for a couple of days and they never knew it.
 
blaster said:
His fault for not knowing what or who he was shooting at.

Had he waited for the assailant to gain entry the situation would have been perceived much differently. Had he seen it was a drunk kid he likely would have made a different decision. Had the drunk kid been staring down the barrel of a gun he likely would have run.

This is a tragedy and could have been avoided with proper training and understanding of the law.
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I agree. Still outside and the police already called, the "threat" wasn't in the home. I wasn't there, but I'd have a hard time calling it a justified shooting.
 
Pirate Lady said:
JH, agree. Look up what i said in another thread. I am truly sorry some of you can afford a nice really expensive boat and live in such bad areas that you have to carry weapons. And i mean it.
I chose to live in a nice area. Dont lock doors until bed time. Out now, doors unlocked.
Oh and i live in the burbs of Baltimurder.
Hey guns are cool, i have a few. But if i need to investigate how to plan a defense if i shoot someone, time for a reality check.
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I do not understand either, why, when the perceived risk of criminal activity is so great, that anyone would continue living there. It's existing in a constant state of hyper-vigilance, which is not healthy. Having said that, I would think some training on how to de-escalate or defuse a situation would be more valuable that learning what to do after the fact of shooting someone and/or getting myself and family members shot. All scenarios here assume the homeowner responds to a perceived threat immediately, aggressively and survives. Statistically, just not the case.
 
Juliery said:
I do not understand either, why, when the perceived risk of criminal activity is so great, that anyone would continue living there. It's existing in a constant state of hyper-vigilance, which is not healthy. Having said that, I would think some training on how to de-escalate or defuse a situation would be more valuable that learning what to do after the fact of shooting someone and/or getting myself and family members shot. All scenarios here assume the homeowner responds to a perceived threat immediately, aggressively and survives. Statistically, just not the case.
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Well, a lot of people have done just that, moved. I live in one of the nicer and older neighborhoods in St Paul. Because of poor decisions by our Government as well as the voting populous, our neighborhood has rapidly gone downhill since the riots. Yes, we’ve had our share of petty crime over the 20 plus years I’ve lived here, but it’s gotten bad with violent crime. The idiots in my area keep voting for the same destructive policies and politicians over and over. Top it off, my property taxes have gone up 300% since I’ve lived here.

Count me in as one of those who are moving out of the state. Seems my neighbors to the East, even though their Governor isn’t much better, at least has limitations on his executive powers. (For instance but not limited to)
 
OllieC said:
Well, a lot of people have done just that, moved. I live in one of the nicer and older neighborhoods in St Paul. Because of poor decisions by our Government as well as the voting populous, our neighborhood has rapidly gone downhill since the riots. Yes, we’ve had our share of petty crime over the 20 plus years I’ve lived here, but it’s gotten bad with violent crime. The idiots in my area keep voting for the same destructive policies and politicians over and over. Top it off, my property taxes have gone up 300% since I’ve lived here.

Count me in as one of those who are moving out of the state. Seems my neighbors to the East, even though their Governor isn’t much better, at least has limitations on his executive powers. (For instance but not limited to)
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It's a sad problem in much of the world including here in Canada - drugs, crime and violence. We moved away from a city that was home since childhood. There is a movement here to decriminalize possession of small amounts of drugs and to regulate a safe supply. That may, at least, get the gangsters out of it. The "war on drugs" has been much less effective that prohibition was on alcohol.
 
If i came across as insulting anyone for exercising your constitutional rights I apologize, was not my attention. I will repeat for clarity. All I was saying is pull that trigger and your life will be forever altered in ways you may not have considered. Know that going in when you pack. I hope you never need to.
 
Agreed that carrying means you have a lot more responsibility and your life will likely change forever if you ever need to use it. I pray I never need to and this is why I said in an earlier post that anyone applying for a CCW should be required to complete a training course for gun safety and basic laws pertaining to use of deadly force.
 
boatman37 said:
Agreed that carrying means you have a lot more responsibility and your life will likely change forever if you ever need to use it. I pray I never need to and this is why I said in an earlier post that anyone applying for a CCW should be required to complete a training course for gun safety and basic laws pertaining to use of deadly force.
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Same for boats.
 
I think people needs training on guns also. However the constitution gives any american the right to bear arms period. Never had a CC permit but have always packed when I felt it was needed. Always one in the truck regardless. Oh, I also have a Aussie that does not like anyone with a loud voice towards me thats always in the truck, he goes everywhere I go except diner in the summer due to heat in the truck.
 
RBB said:
I think people needs training on guns also. However the constitution gives any american the right to bear arms period. Never had a CC permit but have always packed when I felt it was needed. Always one in the truck regardless. Oh, I also have a Aussie that does not like anyone with a loud voice towards me thats always in the truck, he goes everywhere I go except diner in the summer due to heat in the truck.
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Here in MD you must take a certified training course before you can even apply for a permit. I wish all states required this.
 
SKybolt said:
Here in MD you must take a certified training course before you can even apply for a permit. I wish all states required this.
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Bad idea. Look at Illinois and their training requirements to get a carry permit there....and they honor just about no other states permits.
 
firecadet613 said:
Bad idea. Look at Illinois and their training requirements to get a carry permit there....and they honor just about no other states permits.
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Why is mandatory training as part of the requirement a bad idea?
 
Skybolt, as a former firearms instructor to LEO's I can find several things wrong with it. First of all, who sets the qualifications of the hundreds/thousands of instructors. Are there tests given at the end where people had to prove they actually learned anything?

I wouldn't teach a class to non-LEO students. If they get to feeling like they're now invincible and shoot someone I don't want to be on the stand to have to testify about what they learned.

I could go on but you get my drift.
 
SKybolt said:
Why is mandatory training as part of the requirement a bad idea?
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You're now putting a cost on a constitutional right. 16 hours of training in Illinois - 0 required by law in Indiana. What if you can't afford the training or get the time off work?

None of the stats I've seen support a mandatory training requirement, for the reasons @Gofirstclass listed and many more. And I say this as someone who's taken many training classes, including essential gun law classes offered by my attorney.
 
Gofirstclass said:
Skybolt, as a former firearms instructor to LEO's I can find several things wrong with it. First of all, who sets the qualifications of the hundreds/thousands of instructors. Are there tests given at the end where people had to prove they actually learned anything?

I wouldn't teach a class to non-LEO students. If they get to feeling like they're now invincible and shoot someone I don't want to be on the stand to have to testify about what they learned.

I could go on but you get my drift.
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I wasn't looking at this from that perspective. I guess I am only thinking that knowing the laws and proper safety isn't a bad thing. From the responsibility view point as an instructor, I do see your point.
 
OllieC said:
That's the plan.:D I love cheese, beer and brats, so it's only natural.
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Having read your posts for a few years I feel like I know you. Ollie, I think you'll make the transition away from the cities easily, it won't take long and you'll have a Country Bumkin patch and a pole building.:cool:
 
ttmott said:
I will live in Montana. And I will marry a round American woman and raise rabbits, and she will cook them for me. And I will have a pickup truck... maybe even a "recreational vehicle." And drive from state to state.
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