So The Knee jerk Reactions Start! Sorry New York!

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[h=6]ALBANY — Two downstate lawmakers are responding to a recent increase in local boating accidents and deaths with a set of bills promoting safety on New York’s waterways.[/h]



Assemblywoman Sandra Galef, D-Ossining, Westchester County, and Sen. David Carlucci, D-Clarkstown, Rockland County, on Friday announced legislation requiring boating safety courses and offering insurance discounts for boaters who complete them.
“Some operators do not understand the possible damage that can be brought on by slight inaccuracies in operation when navigating in high-traffic or tricky waterways,” Galef said in a statement. “This ignorance of the rules of operation cannot be tolerated in the face of dangerous and all too often fatal accidents.”
Two such accidents have recently garnered public attention.
On July 4, when 27 passengers were boating on Oyster Bay off of Long Island for holiday fireworks, their yacht capsized and sank, killing three children. The event sparked U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer, a Democrat from Brooklyn, to call for capacity limits on boats longer than 20 feet. The yacht in question was 34 feet long.
In late June, an Ossining man died of an apparent drowning off of City Island. He had been swimming near a boat with friends when the vessel’s operator allegedly drove away as a prank.
Sheila Lilley, mother of the 26-year-old Ossining drowning victim, Bryan Johnson, said New York’s lack of boating education requirements is “appalling.”
“To think you do not even need to have a boating license — that’s insane,” she said in a statement.
The legislators’ new bill would require all power boaters to obtain a boating safety certificate by completing an eight-hour safety course.



Jessica Bakeman is a reporter for the Gannett Albany Bureau
 
I see no issue with requiring a boat safety course to be able to run a boat. It may help 1% or so.
 




Assemblywoman Sandra Galef, D-Ossining, Westchester County, and Sen. David Carlucci, D-Clarkstown, Rockland County, on Friday announced legislation requiring boating safety courses and offering insurance discounts for boaters who complete them.


So, in other words - everyone gets an insurance discount since the safety courses would be required?

On one hand - it is kind of crazy that anyone can hop aboard a 35' boat and just start sailing away, so I guess I can understand their intent. SOME boaters could benefit from safety courses. But I would like to think most of us have some common sense and knowledge already.
 
This is already a done deal in Va. All boaters must take the class by 2018 ( I think ). I don't completely see the need for many of the more experienced older boater, but new boaters, yes very much so.
 
I know my position won't be very popular, but I think some kind of boater safety card or operator's license should be required. Most states already have requirements for some type of operator's license but apparently there are still some that don't. NY and NJ also don't have any type of "Jessica's Law" that pertains to child rapists. Yet NY has some of the strictest gun ownership laws in the country.

Go Figure. Makes no sense to me.
 
Talk is going on down here about requiring licensing, after two kids were killed and then Usher's step-son declared brain dead on our lake, and I think it's a good idea. Problem is, the talk is also about exempting people over a certain age (don't know what that is), and I am sorry, but an inexperienced and cocky boater is deadly at any age! So are licensed and stupid people, at any age.

At least if the course is required, then we know everyone at least read the stuff once, and remembered enough to pass a test on it. We had a rent-a-can on our rear end one day, about twenty foot off our stern before he realized we were there. He was yakkin to his passengers, who were freaking out. We were going slow because I was hauling a pallet on the swim deck that we found floating, so I was sitting on the back as this idiot came up on us going ~15mph faster than we were. And didn't see us there.
 
I would fully support requirement for boating safety course... even if it helps only a portion of knucklehead boating population
 
It is a requirement in Canada to have a Pleasure Craft Operator Card if you are driving anything powered by 10hp or more. This came into effect only 2 years ago. Transport Canada then made the exam more difficult a year ago in light of the start up "boater exam" places in parking lots, at boat shows and online. If you don't have one, you can't insure your boat.

I've been an instructor since 2000 for the Canadian Power Squadron and am always amazed at the lack of knowledge with new boaters. It seems, the bigger the boat, the less knowledge there is.

As to 27 people on a 34 foot boat...that skipper should be prosecuted and thrown in jail. Get educated, the waterways will be better for it. GFC is bang on with his opinion.

Mark
 
I would fully support requirement for boating safety course... even if it helps only a portion of knucklehead boating population

Maryland has had a boating safety certificate requirement for anyone born on or after July 1, 1972, and it's been that way for quite some time. I don't think its a bad idea given some of the stupid stuff I see on the river/bay all the time. That said, enforcement is an issue, as is the rental crowd not following any rules. From my perspective, education can help, or at least shouldn't make things worse.
 
We have this requirement in CT and it unfortunately does not fix the lack of common sense I consistently see on the water. A 1 day course does not enable a person to go from no boat to a 40 footer safely. I was on the CT river this weekend and let me tell you, more idiots than not! ALL with a "safe boating" certificate. You want to fix some of the problems...Stricter consequences for the idiots who are drunk, stupid and have no regard for the lives of people on other boats or the people on their own!
 
We have this requirement in CT and it unfortunately does not fix the lack of common sense I consistently see on the water. A 1 day course does not enable a person to go from no boat to a 40 footer safely. I was on the CT river this weekend and let me tell you, more idiots than not! ALL with a "safe boating" certificate. You want to fix some of the problems...Stricter consequences for the idiots who are drunk, stupid and have no regard for the lives of people on other boats or the people on their own!

I was right there with you and I was so happy to reach the Sound and I was stressed out completely by that time. I don't think they took the course or were out-of-staters!! no wake zones? Ignore them! Stand on and give way rules? Ignore them too!

After I reached the middle of the Sound...just went at no-wake speed and did a little fishin' to calm down. If I ever retire, I'm only going to boat Monday-Thursday.
 
When I was 12 I took the required boater safety exam so I could operate our boat without supervision. That is more education than 95% of the rest of the boaters out there. I am fully in favor of a boaters license similiar to a vehicle drivers license even if it only a written test. A behind the wheel would be preferred but that would logistically be impossible.
 
I have seen seasoned boaters make bad decisions. I think a refresher is good for all. I hold two boat licenses from the state of ohio and glad that i have them!
 
My husband took the safety course on the insistence of my best friend whose Jet Ski he was going to borrow for the day. She said "no way is he taking my ski out without taking the course!" So he took it, and learned a ton. That's when he got bit (again) by the boat bug. We bought our first boat (21') a few weeks later. I never drove that first year. I took the course the following spring. I wish there was a refresher course! I loved it! (I'm a dock nazi...don't even think of plowing through the harbor if I'm there LOL)
 
I have seen seasoned boaters make poor decisions. I think a refresher is a good thing. I hold two boating licenses from the state of Ohio. I am glad I have them and it was a good learning experience. The only problem is you can't teach common sense!
 
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I was right there with you and I was so happy to reach the Sound and I was stressed out completely by that time. I don't think they took the course or were out-of-staters!! no wake zones? Ignore them! Stand on and give way rules? Ignore them too!

After I reached the middle of the Sound...just went at no-wake speed and did a little fishin' to calm down. If I ever retire, I'm only going to boat Monday-Thursday.


There is also talk of them linking your Boaters lic. with your Drivers lic.. as it is now you could be caught for BUI and nothing would really happen, except lose you boaters lic.
and if you don't act like a fool the chances of you getting pulled over to check if you have a lic is slim to none
 
The only problem is you can't teach common sense!

That alone would save lives - everywhere. :grin:

Up here we have a pontoon rental place that drives me crazy. Any tourist clown (from any part of the world) can come up here and climb aboard with NO experience what so ever. They say stay in the bay but of course they venture out 15 miles along the rocky Lake Superior shoreline. Pontoon boats, no experience, cold water, huge body of water - bad situations working on borrowed time. We had recently helped the Coast Guard (which is stationed 50 miles away) with visual assistance. A clueless pontoon renter is standing on the beach calling in a mayday because the building waves pushed their pontoon boat further up on the small beach full of people with road access. Never cease to be amazed with the situations that arise from NO schooling, lack of common sense and no idea of what's going on around them. I keep my radio on scan all the time because I can almost guarantee having to assist someone two or three times a year and rarely for mechanical reasons.

Boater's safety requirements would be a good thing, some states like Florida already require it but as others say, hard to enforce.
 
There is also talk of them linking your Boaters lic. with your Drivers lic.. as it is now you could be caught for BUI and nothing would really happen, except lose you boaters lic.
and if you don't act like a fool the chances of you getting pulled over to check if you have a lic is slim to none

Here in NH our licenses are tied together,and the alcohol blood level for boating is less the on the road,so get a bui you can kiss both licences away and hello your future back breaking insurance premium
 

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