Ship missing in Hurricane Joaquin

Why don't we take the arguing off this thread and focus our thoughts and prayers to a member's friend who may have lost his brother.
 
I fly privately. I have logged 3500 or so hrs. I have a private Instrument rating. Single engine. I have been in FL for 26 years and boated all over the west coast from where I am based to the Keys. I lived in the Boston area before and flew down to FL 3-4 times a month.
 
sure doesn't take much to get ones panties in a twist.......Mr.Fletcher wasn't rude or antagonistic...he simply asked you questions concerning your experience with captaining LARGE vessels on the ocean. Talks cheap on the Internet....claims can be made with absolutely NO validity.....take a f'n breath.
 
Do Over said:
sure doesn't take much to get ones panties in a twist.......Mr.Fletcher wasn't rude or antagonistic...he simply asked you questions concerning your experience with captaining LARGE vessels on the ocean. Talks cheap on the Internet....claims can be made with absolutely NO validity.....take a f'n breath.
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You along with MR BILL both have tor heads in the sand. Im willing to bet this is a democrat thing.
 
Everyone has a right to their opinion. My objection is people placing blame on individuals who are dead, without the background, or more importantly the facts to back up their assertions.

If mistakes were made, then the USCG and other regulatory authorities will find out. That is the difference between how our country operates it’s maritime industry verses Panama or Liberia.

This was mostly an American (US) crew and the officers (engine and deck) were likely all Maritime Academy graduates. These men and women are highly trained, and spent 4 years at a specialized college and hours of USCG testing to obtain their license. This is not the case in other countries.

I have not been involved with the shipping industry for over 25 years, and I no definitely not an expert on this subject. When Hazelwood grounded the Exxon Valdez in the 80’s, two of my former classmates were in the engine room taking telegraph orders from him. It was later found Hazelwood was drinking, and un fit for duty. They threw the book at him, and rightly so.

I have not been able to find much on this story this past weekend, so I will read more this evening. I therefore spoke to one of my classmates who parks super tankers, cruise ships, and other large vessels for a living in the busiest port on the west coast – Pilot. He essentially told me that the hurricane was only a tropical storm when they left Jacksonville. The captain had been running in those waters for a long time. They obviously do have all of the best weather forecasting available and it shouldn't happen, but it did. Again, let’s see what the experts say.

Bart, you are right.

My thoughts and thanks go out to these sailors, and their families. Thank you for your service.


Over, and out.

 
Do Over said:
This statement alone proves your ignorance (not that the previous ones left any doubt).....have an un encumbered evening.
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OH really, then explain this one genus:

Mr. Blake, if I may ask, what is your maritime background? Are you USCG licensed (unlimited HP/tonnage to run a ship like this as a Captain or Chief Engineer)? Have you sailed on large ocean going vessels? Do you have any experience with ship operations from a shore based perspective?
 
Mr. Blake, if I may ask, what is your maritime background? Are you USCG licensed (unlimited HP/tonnage to run a ship like this as a Captain or Chief Engineer)? Have you sailed on large ocean going vessels? Do you have any experience with ship operations from a shore based perspective?


And WTF does this have to do with what I originally stated? Answer that one genus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Here you guys go just got this off a news station from their video.

Maritime attorney and former merchant marine tells 'On the Record' there were many reasons why missing cargo ship now feared sunk at sea should never taken the risk of outrunning a predicted hurricane.

Never taking the risk of outrunning a hurricane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RIGHT!
 
Oh gosh, this is getting a bit heated. Our prayers and thoughts should be with all the souls on board who it seems may have perished, although I sincerely hope not. Our son was the first USCG C130 pilot sent to look for the ship last Friday. After dropping off assets and his passengers in the Bahamas who were to search for the ship later he and his crew searched on the way home too. He said both flights were very, very challenging, weather just awful and waves absolutely humongous (30'-40') as he flew as close to the storm's eye (50 miles) and at the lowest altitude possible, to enable them to look for anything as best they could while being tossed around wholesale. At one point his plane just dropped 400' without warning! Good job he likes white knuckle rides and he told me all this when he arrived home safe and sound and not before he left to do the SAR:)

Apparently the ship's EPIRB did give off one ping but I think it is thought that it quickly sank but that was the position they had. The ship was used to making that run and is thought that it would have been okay apparently, but it developed engine trouble and a 15 degree list. Once it couldn't move out of the way I suppose that was it's death knell. Very tragic all around, the ship was also do for a retrofit and to be retired from that route and moved to the West coast. I think the crew also had some lady officers too. I do hope they find the other life raft with survivors but it is not looking too promising. Prayers and thoughts to all the families. Just so sad.
 
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copb8tx said:
Why don't we take the arguing off this thread and focus our thoughts and prayers to a member's friend who may have lost his brother.
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Thank you.
 
BritLady said:
Oh gosh, this is getting a bit heated. Our prayers and thought should be with all the souls on board who it seems may have perished, although I sincerely hope not. Our son was the first USCG C130 pilot sent to look for the ship last Friday. After dropping off assets and his passengers in the Bahamas who were to search for the ship later he and his crew searched on the way home too. He said both flights were very, very challenging, weather just awful and waves absolutely humongous (30'-40') as he flew as close to the storm's eye (50 miles) and at the lowest altitude possible, to enable them to look for anything as best they could while being tossed around wholesale. At one point his plane just dropped 400' without warning! Good job he likes white knuckle rides and he told me all this when he arrived home safe and sound and not before he left to do the SAR:)

Apparently the ship's EPIRB did give off one ping but I think it is thought that it quickly sank but that was the position they had. The ship was used to making that run and is thought that it would have been okay apparently, but it developed engine trouble and a 15 degree list. Once it couldn't move out of the way I suppose that was it's death knell. Very tragic all around, the ship was also do for a retrofit and to be retired from that route and moved to the West coast. I think the crew also had some lady officers too. I do hope they find the other life raft with survivors but it is not looking too promising. Prayers and thoughts to all the families. Just so sad.
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Please thank your son for his service to our country and for his efforts in looking for the ship and crew of the El Faro.
 
Mike Blake said:
I fly privately. I have logged 3500 or so hrs. I have a private Instrument rating. Single engine.
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BFD, means little. Don't be an asshat.

Regarding the OP, I am very sorry for your friends loss. It sounds like some mechanical difficulties may have been a large contributing factor to this tragedy. Thoughts and prayers for the familes and those who lost their lives
 
Fly'n Family said:
BFD, means little. Don't be an asshat.

Regarding the OP, I am very sorry for your friends loss. It sounds like some mechanical difficulties may have been a large contributing factor to this tragedy. Thoughts and prayers for the familes and those who lost their lives
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FYI The man asked I answered. Go take your Prozac!!!
 
I hear circus music in my head when i was reading this. LOL You guys are funny. Did anyone really read up on this? The ship was old and this was the last trip it was going to make before being retrofitted. 5 Polish workers were in the engine room getting started on it. Did they cause the ship to lose power? I don't think we'll ever know. USCG thinks it went down in 15,000 feet of water so again, we may never know what really happened. We do know that 30+ died (or are presumed dead) and no private pilot or anyone else will bring them back. Relax and enjoy life while we have it!

Bad decisions, bad weather or faulty gear, doesn't really matter at this point does it?
 
Brit lady. Please forward my thank you to your son for his service. Not very many can do what he does and not very many care about others enough to put there life on the line to try and save others. Absolutly amazing
 
Thanks very much h-gerry and Xplicitlnck, I will pass on your kind thanks. He just loves doing what he does, he was born to fly:)
 
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