Shed collapse at Georgetown Md

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Exactly. Lets continue to ignore the fact that
#1) Heat tape exists and is common in the north


…..move along folks, nothing to see here….
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Sir, you should consider rethinking your assertion that heat tape could have helped these structures. The tape is designed to prevent ice dams along the eve of a roof, typically where there is a gutter. The water can freeze in the gutter and causes ice to back up the eve and in some cases penetrate the roofing and sheathing. When the ice thaws, either from heat inside the home or from external warming, the ice melt can then leak into the home and cause significant damage. This tape is not designed to keep an entire roof ice and snow free, the intent is to keep ice from forming along the bottom 1’ to 2’. If you are somehow suggesting that the marina line the entire roof with heat tape, this is entirely impractical, cost prohibitive and somewhat ludicrous.
 
You this reminds me of a story of a few years back. I received a phone call at home from the operator at a Waste Water Treatment Plant from one your cities “up north”. He wanted to know if I would “dial into” the plant and boost the speed of the filtration pumps to 125 percent of their rated capacity. Now this was a brand new plant. They had an unusual weather event, unusual for them. They had several very warm days and heavy rain, all of which was making the snow melt very fast and overwhelming their storm drains, which were dumping to the waste water plant that was not designed to handle the higher demand. Brand new plant, designed up north, build up north…. Not everybody does it right the first time, even up north.

Well I did dial in and save their ass from having **** floating out in the street. I might think a little harder about that in the future.
 
I see a new War Between the States brewing..:grin:
 
Bill

Please don't assume that everyone up North thinks you could have prevented the roof collapse.

I am firmly in the camp of "I'm sorry about the extensive property damage but happy to hear that no one died trying to save an empty boat". Property can be replaced and repaired, lives cannot.

Vince
 
Vince_nj1 said:
Bill

Please don't assume that everyone up North thinks you could have prevented the roof collapse.

I am firmly in the camp of "I'm sorry about the extensive property damage but happy to hear that no one died trying to save an empty boat". Property can be replaced and repaired, lives cannot.

Vince
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Bill, I’m not trying to imply everything is perfect in the north. I’m only stating that we deal with a lot of snow every year. We shovel roofs every year.

So you are a drive tuner? When I have seen that done firsthand the person did it onsite with an oscilloscope. The paper industry is very competitive and getting increased production is a big part of remaining profitable.
 
Vince_nj1 said:
Bill

Please don't assume that everyone up North thinks you could have prevented the roof collapse.

I am firmly in the camp of "I'm sorry about the extensive property damage but happy to hear that no one died trying to save an empty boat". Property can be replaced and repaired, lives cannot.

Vince
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Vince,

No worries, I not assuming that at all, I was just trying to make a point that different localities are prepared for events common to the area. This was not at all common for our area so all the second guessing, and should haves and could haves really have no merit in the debate.

Thanks.
 
Presentation said:
Bill, I’m not trying to imply everything is perfect in the north. I’m only stating that we deal with a lot of snow every year. We shovel roofs every year.

So you are a drive tuner? When I have seen that done firsthand the person did it onsite with an oscilloscope. The paper industry is very competitive and getting increased production is a big part of remaining profitable.
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I’m a programmer and I was the person responsible for the PLC code that controlled the plant. When **** hits the fan, no pun intended, I get the call for help.

Also, I have nothing to do with the marinas in question, but I live close to them. I know firsthand what the situation was like here. Hell those places probably had no one on site during the snow and would have a very difficult if not impossible time getting people there to do anything. It was bad and I have never seen anything in my lifetime like it. I have some very close friends that work in the marina directly behind my house and I know they are as concerned about the slip holder’s property as the owners themselves. In fact I have worked with them side by side when something unusual, like a very high tide for example happens. The morning after the first snow we had no power for 12 hours. Trust me, this was an unusual event for us and not much could have been done.
 
Wow, it is easy and fun to judge others on the internet!

Sorry to hear about the losses for those who truly cared about their boats.

On the bright side for some folks however - no need for the bank to take their boat now, and ruin their credit, or - no need to try to sell their used boat in the worst market many can recall.

Also, now there will be some buyers looking to replace their used boat.

Some other things I have thought of as a result of reading this thread:
Up north guy - are most of these roofs being cleared up north over water, and/or likely to collapse at any moment? It would likely cost more to heat trace every roof everywhere there might be heavy snow in the country than to replace the relatively few marina's that fail, and the boats that go down with them. The same thing happened at the Lake of the Ozarks in 2006, and yet I see no heat traced marina roofs.

Move the boats into open water guy - The water is frozen. If the water wasn't frozen, or you just want to go through icebreaker style - what about re winterizing, and securing all of the boats in the wind? Also, with travel being difficult, how many people could even get there, even between the storms? I cant see pulling boats out on an icy ramp...
 
Sean527-
I notice that your boat is under a roof...
Hopefully you learn something from this!
 
festivus44 said:
Sean527-
I notice that your boat is under a roof...
Hopefully you learn something from this!
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My boat and dock could be sitting at the bottom of the cove for all I know. I haven't been there in a while. The lake house is 3 hours away. If there was much snow on the ground I would not even risk driving there, and I damn sure wouldn't climb on the dock roof.
 
The roofs collapsed. The damage is done. As far as I know, we don’t have a time machine yet.

The only reason to discuss this would be……..if this happens again, with time now to discuss, plan and prepair, is there anything that can be done now, is there any plan that can be made now, is there anything we can do different, is there any equipment we can have ready so if faced with the same situation we can prevent the result we had this time?

I have made suggestions but the nay sayers have shot me down.

OK nay sayers…Rocket scientists, PLC programmers, and everyone else…..here is your chance. What’s your suggestion? Here is your chance to show you are not just a bunch of old farts with your arms crossed. Lets here you ideas………………………………….

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Presentation said:
OK nay sayers…Rocket scientists, PLC programmers, and everyone else…..here is your chance. What’s your suggestion?
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1. Make sure your insurance is paid up and covers roof collapses
2. Move further south
3. Stay indoors and drink more during next blizzard.
 
I think I can summarize from what I've learned from my friends in Wisconsin and Florida:

* install a snow blower shed on the roof, don't forget the ladder to get up there, and a harness network to keep you, and the snowblower, from falling off.
* heat the roof
* better yet, convert the roof into a big conveyor belt that can auto-dump the snow
* if you can't do that, have an ice-breaking boat standing by when you are ready to move the boats (not sure where you going to move them to, but just move them, man!)
* buy the 60 foot articulating pole I discussed earlier, AND resurrect Jesus from the dead so he can walk on water to use it (there is ice between the fairways, but right underneath the roof is water)

Failing that, do what Gary said.
 
You can't go from a question to crickets in 1 minute, and then to Buehler right after that. There's a protocol.

Keep a big ass fire hose nearby. Use it to clear the roofs from a safe distance.
 
Change building codes. on new construction
 
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