SeaRay Closed?

Rob,

Well, let's look at your comment and the one by fishnut:

"You and I both bought our boats because of the dedication of SEARAYS Customer service people ( LIKE RUSTY ) . Sadly most of those people have been let go.... The knowledge base has been decimated."



To be sure, when you and Skip bought your boats, Sea Ray and the entire boat industry was a different place. The factories were running at capacity and there were waiting lists for many popular models. Now, in 2009, the economic climate is different, people are not buying boats, people are not using their boats as much due to fuel prices and the industry has to change to survive.

To say Sea Ray Customer Service has been "decimated" is an exaggerated assumption. There are fewer people because there have been some layoffs and some normal attrition caused by retirement. Sea Ray has also stopped providing toll free customer service numbers. So now we have to pay for the phone call and the phone may be answered by someone we don't know, but we still talk to someone who is courteous, dedicated, really cares about customer satisfaction, and either knows or can get the answer to our questions. By the way, the customer service guys are there to interface with customers.....they don't usually have the answers to your questions unless they've been asked that question before or the answer can be looked up in a parts book. The real source of the information we seek when we call is the factory data.

Fishnut said that he's "not on speaking terms with his dealer and they do not exist to him and Sea Ray is out of business", yet the same dedicated people whom you say have been let go and who's knowledge base has been decimated and who Fishnut says work for a company that is out of business, cared enough to seek out Mr. Fishnut, call him unsolicited, I guess because he can't figure out how to find their phone number and place a toll call, to see how they can help him. I don't know how that one will work out since the local dealer he won't use is who is responsible for warranty repairs........hopefully Customer Service can figure it out for him since he has a problem that should be easily diagnosed and fixed.



So...... you are not stating facts. What I read is more like exaggaration and assumptions. When I disagree with you, it is hardly "Twisting your words". It is more like setting the record straight. Times have changed. Lets stop complaining that it isn't like it used to be and learn how to work within the limits forced upon us by the changing economics of the industry.
 
OK. So, some of you may have read that my boat died on the water a few weeks back. It ended up being a bad water pressure sensor and a bad fuel/air valve. My boat has 110 hours on it. I wrote Sea Ray and complained that this shouldn't happen on a 2 year old boat with such low hours. Here was their response:

Dear Ms. Herman,

I have reviewed your email and have looked over your issue with your dealer Marine Max. From the information you and the dealer has provided it looks like the issues you incurred are considered routine maintenance. Your Sea Ray warranty would not have covered any engine related issues regardless of when the issue happened. I also was told that you did not purchase and extended warranty, these items may or may not be covered since they are considered maintenance. The engine warranty is provided by Mercury Marine. There should have been information in your owners packet outlining what is covered and not covered on the engine. You may want to refer to this or contact Mercury to see if you can purchase an extended warranty.

Again, I am sorry for an inconveniences you have incurred and hope that you understand Sea Ray's position in this matter. The details and an outline of Sea Ray's warranty is available from our website at www.searay.com, click customer support. This will outline the items that are not covered and what is covered. Sea Ray offers one of the best warranties in the marine business, covering any manufacturing defect in the hull or deck for up to 5 years on cruisers up to sport yachts and lifetime to the original owner of sport boats.

If you have any further question you may contact us or your dealer Marine Max for any future service needs.

Sincerely,

Denise Scalf
Sea Ray Boats/Meridian Yachts
Product Support
865.971.6250 (phone)
865.971.6479 (fax)
denise.scalf@searay.com

At least you guys have a name and a direct line for a customer service person now!
 
OK. So, some of you may have read that my boat died on the water a few weeks back. It ended up being a bad water pressure sensor and a bad fuel/air valve. My boat has 110 hours on it. I wrote Sea Ray and complained that this shouldn't happen on a 2 year old boat with such low hours. Here was their response:

Dear Ms. Herman,

I have reviewed your email and have looked over your issue with your dealer Marine Max. From the information you and the dealer has provided it looks like the issues you incurred are considered routine maintenance. Your Sea Ray warranty would not have covered any engine related issues regardless of when the issue happened. I also was told that you did not purchase and extended warranty, these items may or may not be covered since they are considered maintenance. The engine warranty is provided by Mercury Marine. There should have been information in your owners packet outlining what is covered and not covered on the engine. You may want to refer to this or contact Mercury to see if you can purchase an extended warranty.

Again, I am sorry for an inconveniences you have incurred and hope that you understand Sea Ray's position in this matter. The details and an outline of Sea Ray's warranty is available from our website at www.searay.com, click customer support. This will outline the items that are not covered and what is covered. Sea Ray offers one of the best warranties in the marine business, covering any manufacturing defect in the hull or deck for up to 5 years on cruisers up to sport yachts and lifetime to the original owner of sport boats.

If you have any further question you may contact us or your dealer Marine Max for any future service needs.

Sincerely,

Denise Scalf
Sea Ray Boats/Meridian Yachts
Product Support
865.971.6250 (phone)
865.971.6479 (fax)
denise.scalf@searay.com

At least you guys have a name and a direct line for a customer service person now!

I'm not sure I see the point. You're upset because a regular maint. Item failed on your engine and they won't fix it under warranty? That's like complaining that you have to pay for an oil change even though your car is 5 months old.
 
The parts are parts warrantied by Mercury not Sea Ray, and you're upset with Sea Ray? I don't think this would play out any different with any other manufacturer, Regal, Chaparel, pick one. Most boat comapnies wouldn't even respond they'd just move on. You're almost a full year over the warranty and they suck because of this?
 
Oh, so you're Frank. LOL

"I guess because he can't figure out how to find their phone number and place a toll call, to see how they can help him." Frank

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I understand water rats position, he bought the boat from Sea ray, not Mercury/Mercruiser. At least sea ray could have helped him with his issues instead of saying tough, your on your own. Didn't "we" buy sea ray because of resale value and quality. I keep hearing how sea ray is the best quality, yada, yada, yada.
When you people buy "things" your telling me if it breaks, you don't get frustrated at all, and it's perfectly acceptable to pass on the trouble to another vendor company? And you don't mind doing the leg work to solve your problems. I think your trying to sell some stinky crap. I'd bet your the ones screaming the loudest when it happens to you.
 
But there is no issue other than the owner NOT replacing an item on the engine that wears out and will fail every year or two. Just like a belt, or your bottom paint, or your impellers, or your bellows.
 
Frank, I think you have a distorted view of sea ray. You are a self appointed "insider" to sea ray, and accepted as such. That's great, but I think you can not possibly understand how us little fish get responded to, because of your "vip" status.

These hard times are the measureing stick with which to determine how a company will treat it's customer base, and whom is important to them. Myself for one, AM NOT satisfied with sea ray and I believe, due to some of the responces here there is a growing concern amongst it loyal following. Sea Ray's future will be judged by how it treats it's present customers. I hope sea ray does a better job than what I have witnessed, and apperantly a growing number of others.
 
But there is no issue other than the owner NOT replacing an item on the engine that wears out and will fail every year or two. Just like a belt, or your bottom paint, or your impellers, or your bellows.

I agree with you Mike, but wouldn't you expect Sea Ray to respond in a better more compassionate manner. I would expect "they would at lest help, or contact mercury for them, and act as an laison between the two. Relationships between companies aren't allways understood by the general public. I think it's in Sea Ray's best interest to be very helpfull, specially now when times are tough, and they will need the loyal following to help them make it thru these trying times. These times will end and people will go back to buying boats. Do you think the people whom are being tread on now will buy Sea Ray in the future?
 
Big fish little fish, do any of the big fish get sea ray to pay for year out of warranty wear items? I know if I buy something the warranty period is the warranty period. How long should it be warrantied beyond the original warranty? I assure you try another brand and see what you get. I've worked for marine dealers and you will find out the differences, it's not the end of the world, the hull didn't split in half, and it is not a Sea Ray defect, call Merc and complain to them about their warranty. sea Ray answered you, you can try Merc. Why didn't you start there, isi it because Sea Ray nprmally steps up? Probably so. I just don't understand a year out of warranty expecting coverage..a little far fetched, maybe I'm used to being a small fish I guess too.
 
Frank,
We are all aware of the state of things . My point on the WHOLE CSR firings is the senior guys are mostly gone. The knowledge base is gone. Yes now they have to go back to the books . Before they could simply lean over and say hey RUSTY where's the " y " splitter on 42 da's a/c pump ?? Boom asked and answered.. Now they haveto go to the book which IS WRONG and ull get ur answer when ??? In a dept were there used to be 12 guys in a CSR dept now there are 2 maybe 3. Now they have to all the work of the 12 plus all additional work thats being asked of them..I feel terrible for these guys. They're busting there ass's just to stay afloat. So things are not peachy. And frank u have 13 yr old boat , Ur instance to need help and have warrty issues are almost non existant so alot of the issues ur not going to experience. Also u have great connections to aide you as well. These guys do not have that.

Rob
 
Islandhopper ,
The Customer service guys are doing all they can. There are truly overwhelmed. Yes we have come to expect an exceptional level from Customer service . Thats what sets them apart. Without them( the customer serivce guys ) Searay is JUST another boat company. They need to realize that and fund it accordingly. Frank will disagree im sure. But then again he isnt the normal searay owner. Also like was posted some things are not searay issues. As such the customer has to go to that particular rep for assistance. I have always said searays CSR guys are awesome. Always had and have my back on problems i have had. For that I cant thank them enough. My beef is with the corporation. Not the guys in the trench's busting there ass's for us !!


Rob
 
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Big fish little fish, do any of the big fish get sea ray to pay for year out of warranty wear items? I know if I buy something the warranty period is the warranty period. How long should it be warrantied beyond the original warranty? I assure you try another brand and see what you get. I've worked for marine dealers and you will find out the differences, it's not the end of the world, the hull didn't split in half, and it is not a Sea Ray defect, call Merc and complain to them about their warranty. sea Ray answered you, you can try Merc. Why didn't you start there, isi it because Sea Ray nprmally steps up? Probably so. I just don't understand a year out of warranty expecting coverage..a little far fetched, maybe I'm used to being a small fish I guess too.

I disagree with you. "Some" receive special consideration and others don't. Seems like it depends on the phase of the moon sometimes, but not black and white as you elude to.

No I don't think out of waranty parts should be covered but, maybe some help with navigation of the overwhelming system is in order.

In my experience, with my selling dealer, Hall Marine went above and beyond to help me. Hall even helped me with replacement items that Sea Ray wouldn't touch. That is customer service. Would I buy another boat from Hall, YES? Will it be a Sea Ray, NO!
One of the items replaced by Hall was my a/c water pump. The person whom changed out that pump was one of the OWNERS. He removed one from off a boat in the show room and put it in mine. Did I expect it, HECK NO! Did it impress the crap out of me YES!
 
I guess we can agree to disagree, and not to be smarta@# but good luck with finding another boat manufacturer that would honor what you are asking for. Sounds like you have a good dealer!
 
Islandhopper ,
The Customer service guys are doing all they can. There are truly overwhelmed. Yes we have come to expect an exceptional level from Customer service . Thats what sets them apart. Without them( the customer serivce guys ) Searay is JUST another boat company. They need to realize that and fund it accordingly. Frank will disagree im sure. But then again he isnt the normal searay owner.


Rob

I fully agree with you Rob, but I can't help but wonder if the executives are giving as much as they expect the worker to. After all, how many people could you keep working, if you cut out just a few bonuses? My point is this, They will be judged on their performace during these hard times. There will be rewards and damages.
 
Islandhopper ,
It is pretty black and white. I have purchased my share of searays. CSR can only do so much. I had broken dog legs on my hatches. not a searay item. They gave me the company that made them Bomar and I called bomar. My frig t stat crapped out . After asking who makes it they sent me a phone #. Its all how u the customer handle it . There are two sides to everyting i guess is my point. I have found CSR always to be fair and when there hands are tied they always tru all the years have tried to point me in a direction when asked to do so....

And I agree on what u just posted ... the guys can only give so much and they are giving.... Alot sleepless nites alot uncertainy. I feel for them.

Rob
 
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I guess we can agree to disagree, and not to be smarta@# but good luck with finding another boat manufacturer that would honor what you are asking for. Sounds like you have a good dealer!

Thank you for your responce. That's genuine. I agree about the other manafacturers, except I over paid for my boat, for the customer service and quality. I haven't received the pay back on this yet. At this point I don't really expect it either.

The other manafacturers are doing their best to capatlize on this, I'll bet you. I just watched some boat test videos from genmars big wig (can't remember his name)and he's betting big on it. In fact in his videos, he outright named Sea Ray, and issued a challenge.
 
Rob I agree in the "old days" but now it's kinda like they pick whom they help. I'm kinda out of line when I say that, but that's my observation. Perception is a devilish thing in business. Look at Wal-Mart, once upon a time they could do no wrong. Now there are plenty of people "upset" with them. Perception I say.
 

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