Quito, Ecuador (Not boating, but...)

Hampton

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Nov 26, 2006
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Holy ****h. Holy ****h.

I’ve flown 737’s and MD-88’s to Montreal, Toronto…

I’ve flown 757’s and 767’s to Mexico City, Cancun, San Juan, Bermuda, Nassau, and other island nations.

I’ve flown F-15’s across the Pacific from Anchorage to Japan to Thailand, Korea, to Australia, Singapore, Malaysia and more.

Today, I’ve become an international pilot. I am in Quito, Ecuador, and I am stoked. This is the most hated trip in all of Delta Air Lines, and I volunteered to fly it, and here I am, at 9500’.

The first crisis is planning in the pilot lounge. There are sooooooo many contingencies on this trip that need to be dealt with well in advance. We have to research the satellite coverage in South America before departing. There are at least 8 different charts that need to be referenced and marked up – US Hi charts, Central America Hi’s and Lo’s, South America Hi’s and Lo’s. Several checklists in addition to the daily routine. Have to be full of water. Have to be out of waste. Have to have all of the necessary documents. The aircraft has to be modified for high altitude airports. Weather, water routes, FIR crossings. Cuban clearances…

We board, we prepare, we depart. The first major concern is contacting Havana for Cuban overflight. They don’t control us, but you don’t just go flying over Cuba without asking permission, particularly if you’re a US flag carrier. The full moon rose to the East between cloud layers as the sun set to the West – memorable. Next, we have to contact the next sector’s controllers before leaving the current sector because they don’t talk to each other – don’t F this up, or you’ll turn around and go home. Havanna, Kingston, Panama… We spent 4 hours during flight briefing contingencies. Loss of pressurization routes – descend for oxygen, turn back NW, pick up the airways, divert over the coast to Gyuaquil, check gas, watch the terrain, put on oxygen… Engine failure routes – max continuous thrust, slow descent, turn out of the route, divert through the mountains while descending.

Weather at the destination was at ABSOLUTE MINIMUMS. Landing 35 (north)? Landing 17 (South). In either case, had to steer around the mountains and prepare to divert back up the valleys to safety if required. One runway slopes up, the other down. Both arc up and then down so you can’t see past 2000’ ahead. What if you can’t see to land? What if single engine? What if the controller won’t talk to you? What if you can’t understand them? Dozens of alternate plans were briefed in detail. We spent an hour programming all of the alternate plans of action into the computers. It’s not like a laptop – you have to decide what to put on which page with limited access and dozens of tricks to give you the back ups you need. What if the boxes go blank? Old-fashioned VOR data with bearings and distances that you have to know how/when to fall back on when the worst happens at the worst time.

We start our descent into Ecuador. The controller won’t answer us, but we proceed. A very steep descent into the valley of Quito. We penetrate several lines of thunderstorms which are common in the equatorial region. Deviating left and then right to avoid unacceptable levels of turbulence/lightning, and other scary Stuff. We break out of the weather into the moonlight as we descend through 25,000’. The tops of the layer of clouds below us was at 20,000’. A mountain peak rose up through the clouds ahead and to our left – snow caps and all, and we were getting ready to go back into the weather and descend aggressively through the next layers of clouds surrounded by stark blackness and cumulous granite.

Our controller decides to talk to us and clear us the RNAV 35 (GPS approach with EXTREME accuracy as you wind your way down the valleys into the city with minimum terrain clearance) – stay too high, and you can’t slow down to land – get too low, well, you know – it makes a lot of noise (and fire….). We slow the jet, lower some flaps, use full speed brakes to descend, put the gear down, come around the final turn with a mountain peak in the middle of our turn and an even larger one to the West. You maintain the glideslope and come on down to minimums. Don’t see the runway? Climb into the weather and start steep turns to avoid the mountains ahead while cleaning up the aircraft and deciding what to do next. See the runway? Great! Now all you have to do it increase your descent rate aggressively in order to get down to the beginning of the runway because when landing at 9,500’, your aircraft is carrying 30% more energy than at sea level and you still have to get this thing stopped in the available runway. Dive it down, but swap ends (in the foggy darkness) just in time because the first half of the runway slopes up aggressively before cresting the peak and heading back down the other side – better stop fast.

In the descent, you have to initiate the high altitude landing system. You cruise from Atl to Uio with the cabin pressure at 8,000’. Then, in the descent, you climb the cabin altitude to 9,500’ so the pressure is equalized for landing in the Andes – who’d of thunk?

Raise the nose abruptly, touch the mains, slam the reversers on, fly the nose to the runway, get on the brakes, don’t carry speed over the crest – it’s almost over. Taxi in and then rush through the terminal avoiding eye contact with customs – hit the van, ride through the city to the luxury hotel. Suck down a cold one to help keep your head straight. Just think – tomorrow night, you get to take off HEAVY weight back into the mountains and make your way up the valleys in a slow, methodical climb (hope both engines keep running) until you can clear the peaks and head back north over Bogota, Panama, Havana, and back into friendly territory for a sunrise landing in Atlanta. This is truly wild, but completely controlled and professional. What is it they say? “These airplanes fly themselves?” I can’t wait to ride on one of those.
 
John, thank you for sharing your experience! Like Discovery Channel… but that was kind of scary!!! :wow:
Do you really think an aircraft flying by itself would be better???
 
Great play by play. Did the passengers know this was your first stint into Quito?
 
what were you flying?does that kill your wot rush on the 340?
 
Gee John,
Sounds just like trying to dock on a windy day!:smt043Thanks for sharing and sounds like your passengers really earned their frequent flyer miles!
 
Great play by play. Did the passengers know this was your first stint into Quito?

No, but we had a great plan with lots of back-ups. The Captain had been here a few times and was also well prepared. There's a ton going on, but we're still way ahead of the game.
 
what were you flying?does that kill your wot rush on the 340?

This aircraft is the only one at Delta that can fly into airports this high (that I know of, anyway). It is the 737-700. It's just like the 737-800, except it's shorter and newer with lots of upgrades. Same engines, so a lot more power due to it's size. The 340 is a good comparison. The 737-800 would be like a 380 with 8.1's - not bad, but you'd like more.

Both have dual GPSs which monitor each other along with several other position finding devices and alert you if any of them disagree. It has a world-wide terrain database and displays the terrain around you in colored shading. It has a side view of your descent profile with the terrain along your flight path. (Both have all of these.) Finally, they have a HUD! Yep - a Head's up display which allows these aircraft to take off and land and the lowest minimums of any aircraft in the fleet.
 
I'd fly with Hampton anywhere but, I repair and build hydraulic pumps and motors for the military and commercial aircraft. Reading his post and knowing what these systems are doing under those flying conditions scares the hell out of me.

Don
 
PS - I had flown this route in the simulator 2 weeks ago with every emergency you could think of. I wanted to fly the route while it was still fresh in my mind to cement it all together.
 
I'd fly with Hampton anywhere but, I repair and build hydraulic pumps and motors for the military and commercial aircraft. Reading his post and knowing what these systems are doing under those flying conditions scares the hell out of me.

Don

Don't let it. I was all fired up and excited about the leg (and a little hypoxic). We do things right every time, every day. We always leave ourselves an out.
 
I have landed, as passenger, several times in Bogota. I think it is at 9,000 ft... I had no idea of the difficulty it was for the pilots... I am in no rush to go to Equador... Thanks for sharing... Have a safe trip home...
 
John,

When you were talking about the 8 charts, you forgot to mention the 50+ chart "BALL NOTES" that you have to find, read and decipher! Just some more of the fun!

Rod - do you still go down to Bogota? Sue usually flies it every Monday and Friday.
 
Thanks John. Great story. Brought back memories. I have been to Quito many times with the Alaska Air National Guard when Panama was a winter designation for us.

We used to fly all over South America when we had a base in Panama. I have also flown into La Pas (sp?) Bolivia. The runway is at 13K and sits on top of a flat top mountain.

Thanks for the memories........:smt038
 
Hmmm
My son is heading to Quito on Jan 23 for term abroad.
I will have to forward him this post if his mother (Delta FA) hasn't already!
Good reading John!
Dan
 
John,

When you were talking about the 8 charts, you forgot to mention the 50+ chart "BALL NOTES" that you have to find, read and decipher! Just some more of the fun!

Rod - do you still go down to Bogota? Sue usually flies it every Monday and Friday.

Not in a long time... My Mom was from Colombia, and we used go as kids... Last time I was there was a Merchant ship... It seems to be safer now that it has in a very long time... I would like to go back some day...
 
John, what are you doing in a FLUF? I thought you were in the heavy twin? (I guess I can't say too many bad things about the 737, after all, the 737-800 was my first part 121 Captain position)

I am at the same seniority in ATL on the 767 that I was in 2000 - only then our reserve rules were workable. Now, they are not, and I am a line holder on the -800.

The ball notes are hidden everywhere! The gouge is much more usable. Still have to cross check the ball notes.
 
Not in a long time... My Mom was from Colombia, and we used go as kids... Last time I was there was a Merchant ship... It seems to be safer now that it has in a very long time... I would like to go back some day...

Sue really enjoys it. She says the people are extremely nice.
 
Great post John! I worked a layover check on one of the -700s this week. Awsome aircraft to be able to do what it does. Thanks for the post, helps to remind me how important what I do is. I think I'll have to take a ride on that flight.
 
Great write up.
Brings back memories of when I was flying out of Bogota on a wet lease.
Try being an Avianca Captain and not speaking spanish...lots of smiling and nodding:)
That was a month of HARD time. No flight is easy around there.
Only two of our 757s can operate in and out of those airports.
Quito was the highest!!
Caution!!! controllers will clear you to descend into a mountain down there......be careful.
Makes you appreciate how good our US system is...
Good luck,
Mark.
 

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