Question: Replacing Sea Ray Navigators with E120s

[jff]

I am looking at a boat with two Sea Ray Navigators installed. I asked the dealer to replace them with E120s. The answer I got back is that they would do one of them but not both because if they removed the second Navigator then a lot of other things would have to be removed. Apparenly the radar that's installed from the factory with the Navs wouldn't be compatible. They did say that the one Navigator could feed radar over to the E120.

My question, does all that sound correct/true?

Regards,
Jason

 

[wingless]

The E120 is not compatible w/ the older pedestals, the mid range pedestals are compatible by changing the power cable and the latest pedestals are compatible.

The Raymarine web site lists the serial number range that identifies each type of pedestal.

 

[jff]

Thanks, I assume they will make it work (that's what I've been told). This is on a 2005 48 Sundancer. I'll definitely ask/check though.

Regards,
Jason

 

[Four Suns]

BS advice as usual...

You need to see who made the radar on the boat. The i3 Maptech/Sea Ray Navigator (if that's the version you have) had the radar manufactured by Simrad and not Raymarine. I'm not aware of being able to make a Simrad scanner work with Raymarine equipment and so you are not going to see radar images on your E120. You'll have to buy a compatible Raymarine scanner for that.

Electronics is a big issue when looking at boats. If you are looking at two identical boats and one has modern electronics and the other has stuff that is old or prone to failure, that can be worth $20K+.

 

[wingless]

The E120 is not compatible w/ the older pedestals, the mid range pedestals are compatible by changing the power cable and the latest pedestals are compatible.

The Raymarine web site lists the serial number range that identifies each type of pedestal.

BS advice as usual...

Beware the pot head forum troll.

Please see page 13 / PDF page 17 for the Raymarine document supporting the correct information that I provided.

 

[Four Suns]

Can you read? Go read the the document you posted (page 13 will work). The part numbers are for Raymarine scanners... you know... the little thingy that spins around on top of the boat?

Go read the documentation for the Maptech i3... It uses Simrad scanners. Not Raymarine. Raymarine scanners don't work with the Sea Ray Navigator.

You are giving crap advice as usual. Are you just stupid? Or are you so arrogant that you can't figure out what you know and don't know?

 

[jrirvine1]

I’ll stay out of the techno discussion except to say you might want to run this by Jim our administrator at BOE – he knows everything.

If the broker is changing one of the Nav’s out for one Raymarine at their cost after you have final price negotiations on the boat, then this is not a bad deal, except that it fails to address the real problem. That is, your surviving Nav unit will fail at the most inopportune time. Ask those of us that have been greeted with the “blue screen of death” while running the boat – as I have. My pragmatic recommendation here would be to replace all the Nav’s with Raymarine or perhaps Furuno equipment. I can’t see the logic in doing the change out half way.

Regarding the other things that would need to be removed if both were replaced, I can not imagine what this might be. Your boat is most likely equipped with a smartcraft display and this would remain unchanged and the existing Nav transducer can be hooked up to the Raymarine equipment.

 

[wingless]

Can you read? Go read the the document you posted (page 13 will work). The part numbers are for Raymarine scanners... you know... the little thingy that spins around on top of the boat?

Go read the documentation for the Maptech i3... It uses Simrad scanners. Not Raymarine. Raymarine scanners don't work with the Sea Ray Navigator.

You are giving crap advice as usual. Are you just stupid? Or are you so arrogant that you can't figure out what you know and don't know?

Having your period, or is that continuous?

Where did I say the information I provided was for Simrad? My first and second posts were clear to those whose brains operate above the sub-moron level that the information was provided on how to ID Raymarine scanners that would work with an E120.

Beware the pot head forum troll.

 

[jff]

Yeah, I'm going to explore more with the dealer (MM). I'd like to have them both switched out although I did agree for the current price to do half and half. Might be fun to have two different things to look at and if the SR crapped out I'd always have the E120 to fall back on. That said, no doubt I'd prefer two E120s. They told me the radar arch would have to be replaced to do that (the Smartcraft, etc. would be fine).

Regards,
Jason

 

[osd9]

Wingless...You're missing the point.....


You responded to the oringinal poster's questions. His question involved having two SRNs.....NOT Ray equipment.

Your response would have been correct IF the OP was asking about a Ray scanner...but it wasn't.

Are you even aware that SRs came from the factory with dual SRNs and NO Ray equipment?

 

[Four Suns]

Where did I say the information I provided was for Simrad?

Exactly. Let me connect the dots for you since you can't do it.

The OP said he had two Sea Ray Navigators... That means he probably has a Simrad scanner (probably has a "Maptech" sticker on the front). You posted information on Raymarine scanners. Raymarine scanners don't work with Sea Ray Navigators so the OP doesn't have a Raymarine scanner. Get it now? Your information is worthless and confusing at best.

So.. the radar images will not go to the new E120 and when (when... not "if") the Sea Ray navigator craps out, no radar is available at the helm.

 

[osd9]

...... Might be fun to have two different things to look at and if the SR crapped out I'd always have the E120 to fall back on. .....

That's not necessarily true....you WON'T have radar.....You MAY have GPS....depending on where your E120 is getting the fix from.

 

[promocop]

since we are all getting cranky...I have the SRII's and I was thinking the same but will wait to see IF they fail, sorry Four Winds, I know a lot of people that have them, they may not like them ( I dont) that much but they have been reliable. Anyway, does anyone know does the PC that runs them have a 'sound card' installed? I want to run WX FX out of my SSB into one of them and get WX FX on the display

 

[jff]

That was my thinking, use the E120 for GPS, use the SR Nav (until it craps out) for GPS & Radar. They thought that potentially the radar could be 'fed' over to the E120 through the SR Nav, I'm okay even if it can't. Worse case if/when the SR Nav craps out I can deal with it then and I should still have working GPS on the E120 when the SR craps out. As long as I have working GPS to get me home ... most of my boating is lake boating (Lake Lanier) and I use my laptop to look at weather, in reality for my purposes I don't use the boat radar very often (in truth ... basically never).

That said, I'm still going to explore swapping out the second SR Nav even if it costs me extra ...

Regards,
Jason

 

[jrirvine1]

Jason, my boat came with one NavII unit and one Raymarine C120. I thought how nice I have built in redundancy.


Last week, I just completed the change out and now have two Ray C120’s.

 

[Four Suns]

Jim,

When Sea Ray put your C120 on, did they put a Raymarine scanner in? Did the radar show up on both your C120 and your Navigator?

 

[jrirvine1]

Jim,

When Sea Ray put your C120 on, did they put a Raymarine scanner in? Did the radar show up on both your C120 and your Navigator?

Fortunately, the boat came with a Raymarine radar scanner and would only work with the C120 and not the POS Nav unit.

 

[Ryan]

I also have the SRN and E120 set up, as said before, since I had E120 from the factory that is the unit the radar is attached to.

You can not feed radar between the units. I have had some problems with my SRN, but for everything I use it for - GPS, Chart plotting and depth, I have redundant systems for either in the E120 or in a depth finder. So when it does die, I will replace it with an E120.

For what it is worth, I like the SRN, I have a problem with it loosing depth, which is more annoying than catastrophic, but like I said, I made sure I had a back up system for everything I use it for.

Hope that helps.

 

[Robski97]

Gary,
Dont waste ur breathe ... He just posts shit to see what sticks. Sadly someone might listen to this arse one day.... I called him out a few weeks ago posting junk about marine a/c's ... he simply slithered away with out a response.

Rob

 

[promocop]

JRIRVINE1 Re; the replacment of the SRN II's. Did you have to change out the array as well?