Porsche 911 vs. C8 Corvette

[wayne0]

Keep the Porsche and drive the shit out of it. It's a better car.

 

[Henry Boyd]

I hear/read about how great the Jap cars dependability is and then I drive by Honda, Toyota, whatever dealerships and the service lots are full of cars waiting for what? Oil changes? I don't think so..... And there's this.... View attachment 135795

I'm curious about what constitutes a repair for this chart. Its seems interesting that the higher cost car brands seem to also be the highest in repairs per 100k. If this is based on dealer warranty or non service visits the numbers may be biased based on both dealer and owner attitude. I've owned several Porsches from new and would not say they they were repair prone. I would also admit they spent more time at the dealer than other brands. But I would add that with the Porsche's and the Audis both my wife and I have held the cars and dealers to a higher standard than the others. The Silverado i mentioned earlier was also built with the 5 liter Vortex V8 that was notorious for loud timing chain rattle. That engine started and ran but sounded like a clothes dryer with a bucket of loose change. When it started I mentioned it to the dealer who replied, "they all sound like that, get over it" and that was the end. The current Porsche developed a similar noise and dealer has jumped through hoops to fix it without any urging from me, and been apologetic about it the whole time. The paint on one of the window trims on the wife's Audi started to flake and the dealer didn't offer to refinish it, but ordered an entirely new part to replace it. Even wit the slightest thing we tell the dealer and it gets fixed. Now in contrast. Over the summer we ordered and got a new Jeep pickup. In five thousand miles the body has started to rattle and the engine has louder valve noise than the boat's Volvos. Am I going to do anything about it? No, not until something falls off. Why? Because its a Jeep and trucks sound like that. And the dealer while being very good is clearly not as customer service centric as the German car dealers. Not that I blame them, given the difference in cost (and profit) between the cars and the truck. That and the fact many Jeep owners seem intent on trying to make their trucks climb up cliffs.

 

[sbw1]

I'm curious about what constitutes a repair for this chart. Its seems interesting that the higher cost car brands seem to also be the highest in repairs per 100k. If this is based on dealer warranty or non service visits the numbers may be biased based on both dealer and owner attitude. I've owned several Porsches from new and would not say they they were repair prone. I would also admit they spent more time at the dealer than other brands. But I would add that with the Porsche's and the Audis both my wife and I have held the cars and dealers to a higher standard than the others. The Silverado i mentioned earlier was also built with the 5 liter Vortex V8 that was notorious for loud timing chain rattle. That engine started and ran but sounded like a clothes dryer with a bucket of loose change. When it started I mentioned it to the dealer who replied, "they all sound like that, get over it" and that was the end. The current Porsche developed a similar noise and dealer has jumped through hoops to fix it without any urging from me, and been apologetic about it the whole time. The paint on one of the window trims on the wife's Audi started to flake and the dealer didn't offer to refinish it, but ordered an entirely new part to replace it. Even wit the slightest thing we tell the dealer and it gets fixed. Now in contrast. Over the summer we ordered and got a new Jeep pickup. In five thousand miles the body has started to rattle and the engine has louder valve noise than the boat's Volvos. Am I going to do anything about it? No, not until something falls off. Why? Because its a Jeep and trucks sound like that. And the dealer while being very good is clearly not as customer service centric as the German car dealers. Not that I blame them, given the difference in cost (and profit) between the cars and the truck. That and the fact many Jeep owners seem intent on trying to make their trucks climb up cliffs.

Data might come from JD Power surveys. I somewhat routinely receive surveys from JDP regarding initial quality and also long term quality. I believe this maybe due to the fact I buy a new car every year and I respond to their surveys. If that is the source, it may not be completely representative of the universe of owners.

 

[bmac]

What do we think? You have too much money.

Be that as it may be....the issue remains.

Keep the car you want and will drive.

I want them both but would definitely drive the C8 more than the Porsche. From a depreciation perspective the C8 feels more like a throw away that I can pile the miles on.

 

[bmac]

Get your deposit back and find another dealer that can get allocation for a ZO6. Then sell or trade the 911 when it comes in.

ZO6 allocations are like unicorns. The earliest forecasted ZO6 production slot I have found NATIONWIDE is 2026.

 

[bmac]

I think you got hosed on the vet delivery. A friend ordered one in March and had it beginning of June

Yes, once you order one deliveries are 10-12 weeks. It's actually getting to the order date that takes time. Unlikely your friend walked into the dealer in March and was able to just order one. If he did.... good for him and please let me know the dealer that he was able to accomplish that at. I'm not averse to buying out of state.

 

[bmac]

Maybe take delivery on the C8 then sell it or, if it's not a problem, get the deposit back. I'd keep the 911, a great bullet proof car.
I want a C8 Z06 also but I'd give a year of production before buying one - too many changes from the current production C8.

You are on to something, Tom.

 

[bmac]

I'm getting the same runaround from my Chevy dealer about my C8 order - I'm about to switch dealers...

First world problems, Carter, first world problems....

 

[bmac]

Do you think you'd drive the C8 more than the 911?

Yes, I will drive the C8 more.....

If you had both would you be driving the same miles, just between the 2 cars?

No, I'd drive my BMW 5 Series daily driver less when home.

I really like the new C8 but I think the days of flipping a standard C8 for any kind of profit are over, especially considering the tax and registration costs. C8 Z06 is a different story for sure.

I agree on both counts.

In the end it's going to come down to which one lights up the most when you walk out to the garage. 911's are a lot more subtle and invisible (I've had 3) but are wonderful cars. The new C8 will get noticed everywhere you go. Definitely extroverted styling.

Not looking to be noticed, and being noticed is one of the concerns I have with the C8.....especially by the Police.

 

[bmac]

I mean...if you've been looking for a reason to buy a 4 post lift, the choice is obvious

Indeed it is....

 

[bmac]

You can give me which ever one you don't want then you don't have to worry about that pesky lift - glad I could help!

You will have to get in line behind at least two of my daughters who made me the same offer.

Which will you enjoy more?

Different cars and different kinds of enjoyment. Hence the problem.

 

[bmac]

If you have never owned a Porsche before, keep it. You will discover it is a really refined sports car that you can drive for hours at a time without fatigue. Nothing breaks and your biggest expense will likely be tires although they are are not cheap. The insurance on my Porsche is about $95 less than on my wife’s S5 Audi which was much less expensive than the Porsche. It will change the way you see Corvettes.

Not my first Porsche and yes, it is a VERY refined car. I don't drive it anywhere for hours at a time. Nothing has broken yet, but I know what repairs look like for German engines (marine and auto). Not pretty if required. ANd like my MAN's, the Porsche maintenance schedule is obscene. Can't wait for year three for a complete fluid change (Engine oil, transmission fluid and coolant). Owning the 911 hasn't really changed the way I see the C8....two fairly different approaches to a sports car.

 

[bmac]

I really don't see a problem with the cars. The issue is you wanting the newer vet now and possibly don't want the "older" one anymore. If that is the case get your money back and order the one you want, knowing it may take as long again. Having owned both Vet's and Porsche's, I would not sell the Porsche. Your close enough to Lime Rock (CT), take it up there and run that track and you will never sell it! As for your garage, your going to have that problem no matter which vet you get.

On a side note, you might want to change your chevy dealer. Curious who you used for this?

I am considering a third alternative along the lines of your thinking. I used a small, local dealer on LI, Arnold Chevrolet, who was willing to write an MSRP deal, which many were not and still aren't, though I think that will change soon, except for the ZO6.

 

[bmac]

Personally, my biased opinion is to broom the Porsche and get the Corvette. But...I've never been a Porsche fan and I'm still not sure how much I like the C8. Kind of why I just bought what I did, a ZL1 convertible. The engine is what was in my C7 Z06 with the better 10 speed trans.

Funny you should mention the ZL1 convertible. My dealer called me when a customer ordered red ZL1 became available. I test drove it and though the car was a beast the low side windows with the top up just didn't do it for me, so I passed. IIRC, that car was about $69k, a new C* spec the way I want it will be about $94k. The ZO6 spec'd the way I want it (not the ZO7) is about $140k...but I can't get that for a looooong time.

 

[bmac]

I have been bored lately and that is dangerous for me cause it usually means I am going to buy something shiny and new and then after a few months it will sit just like my Cobra and other projects on a battery tender. With that said I have been looking at 911's, Corvettes I like the C7 styling and a 488gtb
But I wish I could just rent one for a few months then move on so I won't have another low mileage car that I am paying insurance and maintenance on.

As an alternative I went to the local Ferrari dealership and they had a few very nice 488 Spiders. Even compared to the Porsche maintenance costs and in particular, insurance costs, the Ferraris, were beyond the pale.

 

[bmac]

U can probably make money on the vette

I think that ship is quickly sailing.

 

[Skybolt]

I am considering a third alternative along the lines of your thinking. I used a small, local dealer on LI, Arnold Chevrolet, who was willing to write an MSRP deal, which many were not and still aren't, though I think that will change soon, except for the ZO6.

Check out Empire in Huntington. They bought my friends dealership, but he says they are really great to work with. But not sure if that still holds true or not, it's been over five years since that conversation. Good luck.

 

[bmac]

I with u sir, a vette has long hood. not sayin the new one isn't nice, just not a vette.

To each his own....though I did notice you previously had a Sea Ray Motor Yacht....talk about a long "hood". LOL.

 

[bmac]

I haven't driven a 911 since the 90s, so I'm sure they've changed a lot. But so have Vets. My son's C7 is very comfortable. The few hours I've driven it, there was no fatigue at all. My son is 6' 1" and weighs around 240. He fits comfortably and he has long legs.

The admiral HATES me buying new cars, either for her or me. So to get a toy (other than a boat or ski) I have to play the long game. Last year for Christmas I gave her the ring and wedding bands that I couldn't afford when we got married. It was more than any of the cars I want to buy, so she owes me one.

My wife and I both get new cars every three years and new toys whenever the fancy strikes. I did the same thing for my wife two years ago with a rock in place of the pebble (her term) she got for our engagement, but she's always pretty much told me to get whatever I want, with the caveat that whatever I do doesn't impede her spending habits. You may have outdone me....I can't imagine what you bought if it was more expensive than any of the cars you may want to buy. Was it the Hope diamond?

 

[copb8tx]

As an alternative I went to the local Ferrari dealership and they had a few very nice 488 Spiders. Even compared to the Porsche maintenance costs and in particular, insurance costs, the Ferraris, were beyond the pale.

Been a Ferrari fan for a long time but always wanted to actually drive and track my cars so the maintenance and depreciation of a driven Ferrari was a huge deterrent.

Like they say, you date a Ferrari but you marry a Porsche.