Outdrives will not come up

[Presentation]

Hey CSR team, I’m looking for help with this one.


Issue: all was working as normal. I trimmed up the drives then full trailer-up then walked the boat into a shallow sandy area.


We left and we were able to lower the drives as normal but noticed right away we could not trim back up.


We cannot trim up either drive with the button on the throttle nor with the dedicated ‘trailer’ switch that will bring the drives up the balance of the way.


I can press either trim-down button and clearly hear the sound of the drive trying to go down as normal. When I press trim-up I hear nothing as if the drive was up to its trim limit. Also when I press the trailer trim-up button I hear nothing.


We have twin 5.0’s with twin BIII drives. Each drive has its own pump. I know from the past they are separate circuits. I had a battery switch off and one of the drives did not work one other time. As soon as I turned the other battery on the other drive worked.


The only thing I could think of being common to both systems is the trailer switch. I removed the throttle compartment at the helm, pulled out the trailer switch, cut the wires to this single trailer switch yet it made no difference. None of these wires are getting power. No combination of shorting these three wires does anything.


I looked at the only three locations that I know to look for a popped breaker, the forward EIM at the helm, rear EIM in the engine compartment by the batteries as well as the breaker panel by the battery switches. Nothing is popped in these three locations. Also, nothing is labeled as if it’s for the drive trim.

The engines start and run fine. We boated back to our marina 30+ miles. I tried the trim-up and trailer trim button 100+ more times, they just are not doing anything.

I am assuming there is a separate super secret location of a breaker or fuse or relay for the drive trim-up but I don’t know where to look.


Anyone have a suggestion as to what is going on? What do I check next?

 

[shore]

jump the solenoid and see if that helps.

 

[Presentation]

jump the solenoid and see if that helps.

Thank you for your reply.

Where would I find this single solenoid that controls both drives?

 

[sappington]

I just had the opposite problem,my drive would not go down. On the trim motor there is a blue and green wire, blue is up and green is down.you could try swithing the wires and if it is the silinoid its should then go up and not down.I bought a motor thinking is was my trim motor and it was my rams.I have a brand new motor if thats your prob

 

[AnchorsAweigh]

Yep, try jumping the solenoids. They are likely on a board together near the top/back of the motor. There is one for up and one for down on each motor. They look like the old school starter solenoids you used to see under the hood of your car when they weren't full of electronics. You say they both aren't working so likely there is a break in the one wire that activates both. Jumping will at least tell you they still work.

 

[OldSkool]

My up solenoid wires gets corroded and the same thing happens. After cleaning they are good to go. Sounds like you have a main wire issue as others have stated since both are affected.

 

[Presentation]

I’ve been studying the wiring schematic. I just can not imagine both solenoids would go out at the exact same time.

I did look at the trailer switch. The red wire is jumped from one side of the switch to the other. My guess is Sea Ray saved 1 wire and used the red power wire for both circuits.

So if the fuse, #18 in the attached drawing, was blown, I’d have the exact issue I am experiencing.

Here is the issue. I can’t find this fuse!

Does anyone know where I would find this fuse #18 in the drawing?

 

[AnchorsAweigh]

It won't be the fuse you're looking for because they wouldn't work either direction if it were blown. It would be in a black rubber jacket w/metal clip holding it closed and very close to the solenoids, again one on each motor. Because both are not working in one direction, it has to be the wire or switch somewhere up the line. Somewhere around where the #13 joining plug is, the wire will split to both motors, the problem will be from there and toward the shifter.

 

[Loneranger]

I agree that should not be the solenoids. You should be able to hear at least one of the solenoids click when you try to go in the up position. So you are not getting power from the switches to the solenoids. I would say that the switch is bad but you are not getting power from two different switches. Hmm?
John

 

[gerryb]

Pres, volt meter is your friend here. Have your meter at the motor terminals (wires) and check voltage while someone controls the trim controls. Is 12v power getting to the motor when trimming down?

 

[Loneranger]

I like the #18 fuse as a culprit unless it would cause you not to be able to raise or lower. Your wiring diagram is different than mine. I am not sure where that fuse is located.
John

 

[Presentation]

Oddly, both solenoids went bad at the same time.

The mechanics had no explanation why both went bad at the exact same time.

Both solenoids have been replaced and now work fine.

 

[Loneranger]

I am glad you found the cause and posted the final answer. Odd when my solenoid went bad, I could still hear it click when I pressed the switch but the trim would not operate.

http://www.clubsearay.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21806

When I replaced mine I went ahead and replaced both of them since it was such a PITA to get the pump out to work on.

John

 

[Presentation]

I am glad you found the cause and posted the final answer. Odd when my solenoid went bad, I could still hear it click when I pressed the switch but the trim would not operate.

http://www.clubsearay.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21806

When I replaced mine I went ahead and replaced both of them since it was such a PITA to get the pump out to work on.

John

We did not remove the pump.


I did not do it. I did sit there as it was done.