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I’m seeing light brown water accumulate in the mid ship’s compartment with in the cabin. When I dry it with a towel, I see the water deep in from the bottom. I cannot find the source of where the water is coming from. I can only surmise the fridge in the cabin’s purge of condensation. I cannot tell for sure. Has anyone else seen this in there 370?

Thanks,
Matt
 
NateVancouver said:
First. Make sure the wrap you get doesnt have any creases in it. The first two rolls i got off amazon were creased and no amount of heat would remove them. You want a nice normal roll.

Its a bit of a time consuming project but not too hard if you take your time and take a bunch of photos and label things as you go.

I started with that little panel to the left of the guages. Its the easiest place to start and once you see how nice it looks wrapped it gives you encouragement to push on.

To do the wrapping itself i didn't use any heat. I find that a nice flat surface doesnt require any. A couple things to note:


Not all wraps are created equal. Spend a bit more to get the anti bubble stuff. It will save you alot of headache. (who wants to go through all this work only to have it bubble down the road as it heats up)

Clean the surface throroughly and make sure its dead flat and free of any burrs or anything that raises up. On mine i had a few raised burrs around a couple of the holes juat sand it flush or use an exacto to trim any excess.

When you do your wrapping do it on a clean surface/table so that if you do have to pull a piece back and re apply it wont pick up any dirt or particles( they will show up in your wrap).

Get a wrapping application squeegy that has either a teflon edge or felt edge. Anything else will most likely scratch the surface and it will show up. (they're cheap on amazon.). Some people say there are liquids too but i didn't bother with that.

When you do your wrap i found it best to clamp one side of whatever i was wrapping securely to the table so i could start my wrap on one side gently pull the backing off as i progressed with my squeege being careful to remove the air pockets. I ended up just wrapping the object and the table itself and then used a sharp exacto to loosely trim the wrap off so i could remove it, then flip it upside-down and run your exacto around the contours inside(guages, switches) and out (outer edge) .


After the small panel to the left of the guages i started with the guages themselves. I dont know if you have removed the guage panel before but its not hard i think there are 6 or 8 screws holding it down and they are easily accessible. Once you have removed them, the guage panel should slide out easily.

Sorry i have to meet my wife for dinner i will finish the rest later tonight or tomorrow!
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Now there is probably multiple ways to do this but this is what i choose to do :

Label all of your guages from 1-13 ( i believe there was 13 total but i cant remember.) i used masking tape and wrote the numbers on. Then take a photo of the front of your guage cluster with the numbers clearly in it. Then wrap all the wiring behind each guage with another peice of tape that is also labeled to the corresponding guage. That way you will know which wire goes where.

Next take pictures of every guages wiring with the number in your photo so you can reassemble.

Basically just take lots of photos of everything at this point.

Make sure the main power is off on your boat so you dont short anything out.

Next get a small ratchet and you will need a tall socket to undo all of the bolts that hold your guage wiring and also the bracket that clamps your guage to the panel. (i cant remember the size of the socket, its a small one).

You also need to remove the warning light panel, i think its just 4 screws and one nut that holds the testing switch on.

From this point its just a matter of removing them all now you have your panel off. Wrap it and take your time to cut the small holes for the warning lights and also remove any burrs as mentioned above. Just reverse the process to reassemble.

The switch panel i found easier to do and it follows essentially the same process. They pop out with a little pressure. Pop one out then take a photo of the wiring, disconnect the wiring for that switch then reconnect the wiring for that switch outside of the panel so it can be removed. Do this one at a time so you can't plug things in where they don't belong. While doing my switches i actually found a few that were disconnected in the back and i fixed them.

Basically take alot of photos, take your time and label what you need to. Oh also take photos of the front of your guages and switch panel before you wrap so you can reference later to label your warning lights ans some of the switches that aren't very descriptive.

Its totally worth the effort if you have the time. Really loved the change. Took me about 6 hours and 16 beers but i did it over a couple days and i was probably drinking more than i was working.

If you have any questions or problems just holler.

Good luck

Nate
 
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MattGeorge said:
I’m seeing light brown water accumulate in the mid ship’s compartment with in the cabin. When I dry it with a towel, I see the water deep in from the bottom. I cannot find the source of where the water is coming from. I can only surmise the fridge in the cabin’s purge of condensation. I cannot tell for sure. Has anyone else seen this in there 370?

Thanks,
Matt
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Which compartment is that Matt? Are you talking about the hatch where the shower sump and fore bilge pump is? Post a photo
 
NateVancouver said:
Which compartment is that Matt? Are you talking about the hatch where the shower sump and fore bilge pump is? Post a photo
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That’s exactly the compartment. There is a secondary pump there and pumps accumulated water out as it accumulates, but seeing any water where it shouldn’t be is unsettling. It’ll be a couple of days before I can snap a photo.
 
MattGeorge said:
That’s exactly the compartment. There is a secondary pump there and pumps accumulated water out as it accumulates, but seeing any water where it shouldn’t be is unsettling. It’ll be a couple of days before I can snap a photo.
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Probably some people here that would know more about this than me but first thing i would do is check the easy stuff.

Make sure your grey water collection box isnt leaking from the box itself or any of the hose fittings. Make sure its draining properly and working as it should i know they can get clogged, I had to snake my drain hose as it was all clogged up.

I know there were reports of some people who actually had water collecting in the core of their vessel and they had to drill holes into that area and vacuum it out. I think it was leaking in from one of the windows or the seals on the guard railings. ( they noticed it because they had water coming up from the holes where the hot water tank was bolted down.). I would check where your hot water tank is and see if you have any water in there.

You said its seeping from the bottom? Personally i would start removing everything in there to find out exactly where that seep is coming from. Once you know that you can plan your attack.
 
There is a panel under your sink cabinet at the back that can be removed with 4 screws that gives you access to the plumbing etc. I would look back there with flashlight and see if can see any water back there. It should be bone dry. I think you can see the back of your fridge a bit.

Could help you narrow down your search without removing the fridge.
 
MattGeorge said:
I’m seeing light brown water accumulate in the mid ship’s compartment with in the cabin. When I dry it with a towel, I see the water deep in from the bottom. I cannot find the source of where the water is coming from. I can only surmise the fridge in the cabin’s purge of condensation. I cannot tell for sure. Has anyone else seen this in there 370?

Thanks,
Matt
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Can't talk about all of it tonight, but here's where you start. I had the nightmare, but I have made it a better boat.
Where the bilge pump is in the salon floor compartment, push on the aft facing wall, at the bottom and at the top. If it's soft in either place, then you likely have water on the other side, in a compartment that you have no access to without a cut off tool.
Tell me what you find. If you want to take this private, that's ok too. Just start a conversation with me.
 
Just made the maiden voyage after a 4 hour trip where everything was perfect, came to the home channel and went through no wake zone. Now starboard engine/trans does not engage. Hurth v drives. Any thoughts?
 
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Kevin Wilson said:
Just made the maiden voyage after a 4 hour trip where everything was perfect, came to the home channel and went through no wake zone. Now starboard engine/trans does not engage. Wurth v drives. Any thoughts?
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IMHO, start with the outside and work your way in. Two person job. One in the engine room and one at the helm. When you shift, does the transmission? Cables, brackets and shifters first. Noise second. Anything different from when it did work? I'll bet you don't have to get to step three.
 
I did most of that before we came in to dock. The linkages all work perfect.They’re all connected, fluid is perfectly colored and at the right level. There are absolutely no noises. I’m going back this morning to check and see if there’s a possible filter clogged.

On a sidenote, I guess it’s, because I was stating that these are the smoothest, most quiet and easiest shifting drives I’ve ever experienced:(
 
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I would also unhook the shift linkage and see if you can actuate forward and reverse by hand. Worse case scenario you may have a trans seizure which can happen from a high speed shift. When I say high speed I mean anything higher than idle throttle speed. Just another option to check.
 
Sorry replied to post and did not see you said “the linkages work perfect”.
 
Glued floors in...

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Has anyone ever done an electric fuel pump conversion on a 1995 gen V?
 
370Dancer said:
Can't talk about all of it tonight, but here's where you start. I had the nightmare, but I have made it a better boat.
Where the bilge pump is in the salon floor compartment, push on the aft facing wall, at the bottom and at the top. If it's soft in either place, then you likely have water on the other side, in a compartment that you have no access to without a cut off tool.
Tell me what you find. If you want to take this private, that's ok too. Just start a conversation with me.
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Hey you guys, I’ve been quiet but visit often. Pretty much everything I’ve fixed or intend to has been addressed here. I’ve started saving pages to pdf in case god forbid this ever disappears! Thank you! I have this same issue and also suspect the fridge. This compartment has been bone dry for almost a year and suddenly-water. Just as you described. Sump is clean and working fine. Replaced the switch to the bilge pump. No leaks coming from any of the hoses in that area. I had a trusted electrician out three days ago for something else and asked him to eyeball that area to see if he noticed anything obvious I’m missing. So, this is apropos in the worst way. I’ll PC if you’d like, but someone else might benefit from the info some day in the future if you want to put it out here. Btw Nate, I followed in your footsteps on your hot water heater problem too. Your post helped me tremendously. And I bought wrap for my dash months ago. Just haven’t had time to do it. Now I have the step by step. Cool! Except I wanted to do it “first”. Haha. Since I seem to be following in your footsteps right now, please don’t have any major problems any time soon.
 
OK, let's start with this. In your mid-ship's floor locker where your sump, and cabin bilge pump are, tap the aft wall of that compartment, and/or look for signs of dry rot in that wall. Try to push a pencil through it. Tell me what you find.
Go to your cockpit, and open the coaming locker under the port seat/step. pull that carpet up if you can. is the flooring completely covered in resin? Does the wood have dark stains?. Is the carpet wet? Can you push a pencil through it?
Do you have an ice maker in the cockpit sink area anymore?
 
BTW, as bad as all this sounds, we anchored off Jewfish yesterday, with a stellar first dip (80 degrees is my lower limit)
Genny ran great, not one thing went awry, which is a new personal best. It's a boat. Didn't even have to do a horizontal flare gun test at any 4 outboard cowboys.
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