Need best HIFI minds for this amp problem

ZZ13

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Nov 25, 2009
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Lady's Island, SC
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2001 400 Sedan Bridge
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Cummins 450 Diamond
I have a 9-year old Clarion APX400 2/3/4 channel amp driving the four cockpit speakers on my boat. The wiring is such that the amp receives only the rear RCA output from the head unit (Clarion XMD3) and the amp has the "Rear Channel Input Select" set on in order to drive the 2-channel input to all four speakers. The speakers are Polk MM6501 component speakers with a passive crossover for each speaker set (midrange and tweeter). They have a rated impedance of 2.7ohm. The amp will handle as low as 2 ohm speakers. The amp also has a "rear crossover frequency multiplier" switch" which when depressed increases the crossover frequency of the 2 rear speaker outputs by 10x.

The problem is that occasionally one of the two right speakers will go completely out because the amp stops driving it. I have tried everything to get the sound back (including disconnecting it from the battery power, turning it on/off with the remote on, etc), and I have found that only one thing brings the sound back (and it works everytime), and that is to change the state of the "rear crossover frequency multiplier" (don't need to toggle it - just change its state). I have no idea why this would work.

My only theory is that it is impedence related since the amp is driving 4 outputs from only 2 inputs. If the amp creates the additional outputs by simply internally connecting the front and back channels in parallel, then the amp is effectively seeing 1.35ohm impedance from the speakers, which is under the 2 ohm minimum. Again, even with this theory I don't know why that magic switch brings the sound back. I was thinking of wiring the front and back channels externally in series off the front channel outputs to effectively get 5.4ohm impedence, yet sound on all four speakers.

Anyone have any good explanations and ideas? - trying to avoid buying a new amp if possible.
 
ZZ, you might want to give the guys at "Earmark Marine" a call on this one...
 
I may be incorrect, but my understanding is that the input signal is combined on the way in to drive all four channels. You are still driving one speaker with one output channel. Impedence should not come into play here.

This is a head scratcher, but it sounds like one of the channels of your amplifier is getting tired. As far as why messing with the crossover settings correct the problem, I don't know. You could run both speakers in series and use the amp as a 2 channel, abandoning the malfunctioning channel. That is, if you have enough gain left on the amplifier.
 
I may be incorrect, but my understanding is that the input signal is combined on the way in to drive all four channels. You are still driving one speaker with one output channel. Impedence should not come into play here.

This is a head scratcher, but it sounds like one of the channels of your amplifier is getting tired. As far as why messing with the crossover settings correct the problem, I don't know. You could run both speakers in series and use the amp as a 2 channel, abandoning the malfunctioning channel. That is, if you have enough gain left on the amplifier.
Thanks for the impedance clarification. I wasn't sure how the amp did it. Funny thing is, when I got the boat, the problem would occur on the front right speaker only. Then I discovered the "magic switch" and the problem went away for the entire boating season and all winter (I am on the boat and use the stereo at least once a week during the off season). Then last week it showed up again, but this time on the right rear speaker. Again, the magic switch as done the trick.

I think you are correct that maybe some components are wearing out and its time for a new amp. I'd replace it with a JL XD400/4, which is only around $300. Probably a good use of my money rather than chasing this issue.
 
Those are nice speakers. They will respond well to a quality amplifier.

Its easy to spend your money through my keyboard, but I would replace the amp. I like to enjoy my time on the water, not chase problems.

Maybe try switching the right and left rca's before you do anything just to be sure it's in the amp. It sounds like it is though.
 

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