Its really war now

Dani-Lu said:
Putin would destroy Trump in a fight.
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no shit, Putin would whip my ass also. So what's the point sir?
Trump older man than me.
 
Dani-Lu said:
It wouldn’t even be a fight. It would be over very quickly.
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hopefully Putin dosen't growl at our current leader. If he dose JB fall over and Kamala step up.
 
Golfman25 said:
Did you watch the video. He grabbed his sorry ass like a rag doll. I'll put my money on Trump.
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Trump does come across as scared to anyone, in fact fearless compared to JB.
No doubt Jill pretty tuff gal to get him to this age.
 
RBB said:
no shit, Putin would whip my ass also. So what's the point sir?
Trump older man than me.
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Age has nothing to do with Putin kicking Trump’s ass. And based on what he is doing in the Ukraine, he does not mind being called a bully.
 
“My dad can beat up your dad”

Bidens the biggest pussy, unless it comes to segregation, then he’s all in.
 
Dani-Lu said:
Age has nothing to do with Putin kicking Trump’s ass. And based on what he is doing in the Ukraine, he does not mind being called a bully.
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Why should he care about being a bully. NATO is not going to intervene , US is not even though our leadership swears we are killing him sanctions. Know doubt the president of the ukraine thinks they r all Puss#$. Don't blame him. Putin already knew he could march in with no resistance. So whats ur point?
 
RBB said:
Why should he care about being a bully. NATO is not going to intervene , US is not even though our leadership swears we are killing him sanctions. Know doubt the president of the ukraine thinks they r all Puss#$. Don't blame him. Putin already knew he could march in with no resistance. So whats ur point?
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Not so fast! What has Putin accomplished, so far?

1) He failed to read the Russian populace and secure support:
Thousands of people in cities across Russia had defied police threats , taking to central squares and protesting against the military campaign. Police had made at least 1,702 arrests in 53 Russian cities as of Thursday evening, as they cracked down on the unsanctioned protests. Most of the arrests were made in Moscow and St Petersburg, where the crowds were largest. The protesters chanted: “No to war!” as they exchanged shocked reactions to the attack on Ukraine. Revered Russian athletes, media personalities and other celebrities have spoken against Putin's attack. With the sanctions and trade interruptions, Putin's friendly oligarchs may turn against him. They will be losing $billions.
2) He has reinvigorated NATO:
European leaders are unified against Putin's attack and are imposing economic, financial and trade sanctions. Germany's action may cost Russia $billions in crucial revenues by stopping the Nord Stream pipeline.
3) He has reinforced Ukraine identity:
The country now views itself as a sovereign nation, independent of Russia. For the first time, Ukraine moves toward Europe and favors membership in NATO. Even a quick win will have Russia bogged down in a bloody insurgency, unpopular at home.
4) He has empowered the U.S.
He has provided the opportunity for Biden to recover some of the goodwill lost through vacating Afghanistan. He has also silenced the American foreign policy critics that excused Putin, saying the U.S. threatens and provokes his insecurities.
5) He is amplifying his own fear:
Putin is very concerned with maintaining control of the Russian territories. Any domestic movements toward a more fair, open and democratic society have been violently repressed. The recent Ukraine drift toward the West holds a threat of contagion. His attack may actually embolden his critics and lead to more serious unrest in other regions such as Belarus.

He has made a strategic mistake by moving beyond threat.
 
RBB said:
Why should he care about being a bully. NATO is not going to intervene , US is not even though our leadership swears we are killing him sanctions. Know doubt the president of the ukraine thinks they r all Puss#$. Don't blame him. Putin already knew he could march in with no resistance. So whats ur point?
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I agree with you.
 
Juliery said:
Not so fast! What has Putin accomplished, so far?

1) He failed to read the Russian populace and secure support:
Thousands of people in cities across Russia had defied police threats , taking to central squares and protesting against the military campaign. Police had made at least 1,702 arrests in 53 Russian cities as of Thursday evening, as they cracked down on the unsanctioned protests. Most of the arrests were made in Moscow and St Petersburg, where the crowds were largest. The protesters chanted: “No to war!” as they exchanged shocked reactions to the attack on Ukraine. Revered Russian athletes, media personalities and other celebrities have spoken against Putin's attack. With the sanctions and trade interruptions, Putin's friendly oligarchs may turn against him. They will be losing $billions.
2) He has reinvigorated NATO:
European leaders are unified against Putin's attack and are imposing economic, financial and trade sanctions. Germany's action may cost Russia $billions in crucial revenues by stopping the Nord Stream pipeline.
3) He has reinforced Ukraine identity:
The country now views itself as a sovereign nation, independent of Russia. For the first time, Ukraine moves toward Europe and favors membership in NATO. Even a quick win will have Russia bogged down in a bloody insurgency, unpopular at home.
4) He has empowered the U.S.
He has provided the opportunity for Biden to recover some of the goodwill lost through vacating Afghanistan. He has also silenced the American foreign policy critics that excused Putin, saying the U.S. threatens and provokes his insecurities.
5) He is amplifying his own fear:
Putin is very concerned with maintaining control of the Russian territories. Any domestic movements toward a more fair, open and democratic society have been violently repressed. The recent Ukraine drift toward the West holds a threat of contagion. His attack may actually embolden his critics and lead to more serious unrest in other regions such as Belarus.

He has made a strategic mistake by moving beyond threat.
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#1 Putin dosen't care what the ordinary Russian thinks. He will silence his foes.
#2 Reinvigorated NATO. Chit, NATO has done nothing but talk.
#3 ???
#4 Empowered US. So much in fact we offered the Ukrainian President a ride out of the country. His response response was he didn't need a ride, he needs ammunition.
Thats empowering.
#5 If Putin feared the repercussions for his action he would have never went into Ukraine. The man isn't a idiot, took balls to invade Ukraine.
 
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RBB said:
#1 Putin dosen't care what the ordinary Russian thinks. He will silence his foes.
#2 Reinvigorated NATO. Chit, NATO has done nothing but talk.
#3 ???
#4 Empowered US. So much in fact we offered the Ukrainian President a ride out of the country. His response response was he didn't need a ride, he needs ammunition.
Thats empowering.
#5 If Putin feared the repercussions for his action he would have never went into Ukraine. The man isn't a idiot, took balls to invade Ukraine.
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5) If prior history is any indication, a Russian politician lives and literally dies at the whim of the Party. This goes back 100 years to Lenin and Trotsky. Stalin did not pass away quietly in his sleep, nor did Kruschev. Khrushchev's position as Party leader was secure until about 1962, but as he aged, he grew more erratic and his performance undermined the confidence of his fellow leaders. The "cult of personality is contrary to the ideals of The Party". He died of a "heart attack." Yeltsin was removed as was Ghorbachev. Detente with the West and tearing down the Berlin Wall was just a bit much for many of the Party aparatchik.

As much as we think of Putin as, and he has been portrayed as such, an omnipotent despot, he is only the highly visible figurehead of the shadowy Party behind. They can back him or tear him down, in an instant. Stalin was a monolith. He thought himself to be invincible and irreplaceable. Then he made the fatal mistake of putting his ego and ambition ahead of the Party interests. You call that balls?
 
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Juliery said:
5) If prior history is any indication, a Russian politician lives and literally dies at the whim of the Party. This goes back 100 years to Lenin and Trotsky. Stalin did not pass away quietly in his sleep, nor did Kruschev. Khrushchev's position as Party leader was secure until about 1962, but as he aged, he grew more erratic and his performance undermined the confidence of his fellow leaders. The "cult of personality is contrary to the ideals of The Party". He died of a "heart attack." Yeltsin was removed as was Ghorbachev. Detente with the West and tearing down the Berlin Wall was just a bit much for many of the Party aparatchik.

As much as we think of Putin as, and he has been portrayed as such, an omnipotent despot, he is only the highly visible figurehead of the shadowy Party behind. They can back him or tear him down, in an instant. Stalin was a monolith. He thought himself to be invincible and irreplaceable. Then he made the fatal mistake of putting his ego and ambition ahead of the Party interests. You call that balls?
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As I am sure you know they say he as accumulated a massive amount of money. In fact the estimates I read place it over $200 billion on about a $100 grand a year salary. Now based on that why would any human risk what he is doing, and not sail off to sunset. Thats ego, superiority, and etc.
Also I thinK Putin has the full support of most of the elite there. Moscow has printed
billionaires there for the last decade or longer. The elite is happy and thats what matters for his security. In fact the Russians have bought so much high dollar propery in London its now know at Lodongrad.
Russia's oil and gas has filled their coffers. Until our gubberment figures it out and turns the pipe line and wells back on the Europeans are not going to be to tuff on Putin. Now if we was to step up and cover their energy needs they may tell him to go f$%& himself.
 
RBB said:
As I am sure you know they say he as accumulated a massive amount of money. In fact the estimates I read place it over $200 billion on about a $100 grand a year salary. Now based on that why would any human risk what he is doing, and not sail off to sunset. Thats ego, superiority, and etc.
Also I thinK Putin has the full support of most of the elite there. Moscow has printed
billionaires there for the last decade or longer. The elite is happy and thats what matters for his security. In fact the Russians have bought so much high dollar propery in London its now know at Lodongrad.
Russia's oil and gas has filled their coffers. Until our gubberment figures it out and turns the pipe line and wells back on the Europeans are not going to be to tuff on Putin. Now if we was to step up and cover their energy needs they may tell him to go f$%& himself.
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No doubt he has set himself up. However, the War on Drugs has the law enforcement establishment well schooled on ferreting out a person's assets, no matter where, no matter what. He was KGB so knows well that you cannot hide. The timing is not ideal, either. The pain for Europe is tolerable.The gas card would be better played at the start of winter rather than at it's end.
 
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