It was only a matter of time

[atrick]

Sail boaters think they have the right of way whether under power or not!!

 

[jmauld]

Anyone from that area that can keep us informed on the outcome of this incident?

 

[ttmott]

I meant in general where I boat. That's what the power squadron taught us. Nothing about being in shipping lanes

The USCG regs are applicable on all US waters and for common waters (Great Lakes) with Canada where boats coexist. "shipping lanes"?? Help me with that one?
Now if you read the Reg's, each State, Provence, or Locale, can change/modify/enhance the specific requirements to suit unique situations. As an example many lakes in Ca, boats must all go in the same direction around the lake. But, the basic intent of the Reg's are sound. I would recommend you go and validate what you are thinking with your local Power Squadron.

 

[Scott215]

Was taught by the boat that have no power have right of way. This was 20 or so years ago when I took the class. I always yield to sailing vessels

 

[ttmott]

Was taught by the boat that have no power have right of way. This was 20 or so years ago when I took the class. I always yield to sailing vessels

Negative on both thoughts.
All boats must adhere to the COLREGS. Power or not must be to the same requirements on yield, overtaking, and right of way. You, it seems, are taking the most conservative and safe approach - and that's good. But, thinking that is the requirement is not correct. Take some time and read the USCG requirements I posted as a response to one of your earlier statements.
With respect to sailing vessels - if they are under power they are to the same requirements as any other boat. Many have both sails up and under power and think they have right of way but they don't. Additionally, boats under sail have restrictions in narrow passages where they must conform to right of way requirements as any other boat.
It is important to understand your compliance in the event of an incident. This way you can smartly articulate what happened and how it happened to the enforcement. I generally think the boats around me are being operated by the village idiot; I always err on the side of caution.

 

[ttmott]

Negative on both thoughts.
All boats must adhere to the COLREGS. Power or not must be to the same requirements on yield, overtaking, and right of way. You, it seems, are taking the most conservative and safe approach - and that's good. But, thinking that is the requirement is not correct. Take some time and read the USCG requirements I posted as a response to one of your earlier statements.
With respect to sailing vessels - if they are under power they are to the same requirements as any other boat. Many have both sails up and under power and think they have right of way but they don't. Additionally, boats under sail have restrictions in narrow passages where they must conform to right of way requirements as any other boat.
It is important to understand your compliance in the event of an incident. This way you can smartly articulate what happened and how it happened to the enforcement. I generally think the boats around me are being operated by the village idiot; I always err on the side of caution.

The dog pecker gnats (jet ski's) in our area are a real problem and usually every day we go out we see acts of complete stupidy. On my 400DA, years ago, a couple of them were jumping the wake behind the boat and one ran into the swim platform. I could feel the impact from the helm. Got their numbers and reported to the CG but never heard back.

 

[Scott215]

If you are right which I'm guessing you are I have no problem being wrong and I will admit that I just what I was taught 23 24 years ago that sailboats that were not under power have the right if I'm wrong thank you for correcting me I appreciate it

 

[Scott215]

I was just mainly suggesting inside the channel going out to the ocean because where we are a lot of people anchor in the channel and there's always a lot of traffic in there so I yield to sailboats but I learn something everyday on this forum and I'm thankful for that

 

[Pirate Lady]

I have no problem with sailors. I give a wide berth when passing and go around their back when crossing.
Courtesy goes a long way.
Jet skis can rot in the flames of hell.

 

[Creekwood]

Priority 1: Overtaken vessel

Simply, a boat that is being passed by another has the right of way. This is an often-neglected rule among boaters in local waters.

– Priority 2: Vessel not under command

In short, this is a boat which has no steerage and no power. In our local waters, this surfaces most frequently with boats that are anchored. Giving way to anchored boats whose passengers are fishing. Is a frequent occurrence. (An aside: What comes to mind is also a boat that has “run aground.”)

– Priority 3: Boats with restricted maneuverability

This includes more than the afore-mentioned large boats in narrow channels. Included are underwater operations (think dive boats) and dredging boats, as well as tugs with barges.

– Priority 4: Fishing or trawling boats (not trolling boats)

Remember that commercial fishing boats are included in this category.

– Priority 5: Sailing boats

Under sail, boats lack the capacity to maneuver as swiftly as those under power. A sail boat under power, however, does not have priority status.

– Priority 6: Power-driven vessels

This includes all vessels “powered by machinery.

– Priority 7: Sea planes (lowest priority)

The boat’s captain is responsible for complying with the Navigational Rules. The General Rule of Responsibility, though, takes precedence over all: The skipper must comply with the navigational rules and take every precaution to avoid immediate danger – including departing from the rules!

 

[Pirate Lady]

Sea planes lowest? No way. We have a sea plane airport here, once they commit to landing they aint deviating. They coming down. That big spinner on the front can make a fiberglass boat look like it went thru a vegamatic. They got right of way in my book.

 

[Flyer5]

I have no problem with sailors. I give a wide berth when passing and go around their back when crossing.
Courtesy goes a long way.
Jet skis can rot in the flames of hell.

How do you really feel? You seem to be holding back.

 

[Pirate Lady]

How do you really feel? You seem to be holding back.

Anger mgmt classes taught me control my feelings. And the prozac they prescribed.
Valium too. I have to take Rezulti to combat the depression. And Ozempic does something too.
Watch enough law and order you see all the drug commercials.

 

[techmitch]

How do you really feel? You seem to be holding back.

Anger mgmt classes taught me control my feelings. And the prozac they prescribed.
Valium too. I have to take Rezulti to combat the depression. And Ozempic does something too.
Watch enough law and order you see all the drug commercials.

Anger management classes really piss me off!

 

[Pirate Lady]

Anger management classes really piss me off!

That is funny. Last night about 2am im watching Blue Bloods, seriously, and Danny got sent to anger mgmt classes which really pissed him off. And the more they tried to find why he was angry the more pissed he got. Was kind of funny. Catch 22.

 

[scrumper]

Negative on both thoughts.
All boats must adhere to the COLREGS. Power or not must be to the same requirements on yield, overtaking, and right of way. You, it seems, are taking the most conservative and safe approach - and that's good. But, thinking that is the requirement is not correct. Take some time and read the USCG requirements I posted as a response to one of your earlier statements.
With respect to sailing vessels - if they are under power they are to the same requirements as any other boat. Many have both sails up and under power and think they have right of way but they don't. Additionally, boats under sail have restrictions in narrow passages where they must conform to right of way requirements as any other boat.
It is important to understand your compliance in the event of an incident. This way you can smartly articulate what happened and how it happened to the enforcement. I generally think the boats around me are being operated by the village idiot; I always err on the side of caution.

I salute and support the desire for precision but, just to be pedantic, COLREGS absolutely does not apply in this situation (the crash at Haulover.) It's the Inland Navigation Rules which apply inside the COLREGS demarcation line. The rules in totality are different although not appreciably so in this instance. USCG is clear on that point: https://www.dco.uscg.mil/NavRules/

On your second point about boats under sail in narrow passages, vessels restricted in their ability to maneuver do have a higher priority than those freely able to do so. A shallow draft powerboat encountering a sailing yacht with its engines on is going to have to take into account the fact that the deep keeled yacht can't stray outside the channel. And yes absolutely, once a sailboat's engine is on, it's a powerboat per the regulations.

But for all the armchair lawyering, the final point of the Inland Rules is that perfectly following the rules does not absolve a captain of responsibility for a crash - you are required to take any action necessary to avoid a collision even if it means breaching the rules.

Chapman is excellent on the real world implications of all this: https://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Pilo...ooks&sprefix=chapman+69,stripbooks,130&sr=1-1

In terms of spirit and tone of my post, I'm not trying to score internet points here. This stuff is interesting, and hopefully a nerdy back and forth on the technicalities makes us all think and then become better and safer boaters.