Is there a safe way to start the motor from the engine room.

Discussion in 'Winterizing' started by suss1173, Oct 30, 2018.

  1. suss1173

    suss1173 Member

    260
    Jul 11, 2013
    Sea Cliff, NY
    01- 340 with 7.4 Horizon's.
    Past- Pachanga 27- twin 350's, 94-300 DA with twin 350's Alpha gen 2
    Twin 350 Mag's
    I have winterized all my prior boats. But this will be my first time winterizing inboards. Am I missing anything in the steps below.

    Open the top of the sea strainer and insert a garden hose, turn the hose on, then run the motors on fresh water for 3 to 5 minutes, (towards the end I plan to mix in some salt away).

    Turn the motors off, then garden turn the hose off, and remove the water hose feeding water at the bottom of the manifold and drain the fresh water out of the exhaust.

    Place a 5 gallon bucket filled with pink on the cockpit floor and run a hose from that bucket down to the sea strainer and start the boat again.

    Hopefully the sea strainer will gravity feed with pink and then the water pump will keep pulling it from the 5 gallon container. After seeing pink come out of the side exhaust of the boat for 20 or 30 seconds shut her down and let the motors hibernate.

    I have already pickled the fresh water system, generator, and the AC system, so the above question is just for the engines. Please let me know if I am missing anything, like maybe the water pump will not suck the pink through the sea strainer do to lac of pressure, or air pockets, or anything that I might be missing. Also, is thre a safe way to start the motor from the engine compartment, avoiding have to have someone at the helm hitting the switch?
     
    Last edited: Oct 30, 2018
  2. Captn TJ

    Captn TJ Active Member

    332
    Sep 19, 2017
    Catawba Island, Oh
    2005 280DA
    Raymarine E80
    5.0 with Bravo 3
    You're using the pink stuff for your engines? Must not get too cold where you are. In the midwest we use the pink for water systems and the next level down for engines.
     
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  3. Lazy Daze

    Lazy Daze Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor

    Apr 21, 2009
    PA
    Various
    Various
    Pink stuff is good to -50*... that should cover it!

    The bucket won't feed the strainer unless you have a hole/spigot at the bottom. Otherwise, you'll need to start a siphon... don't worry... it's non-tox AF, right? :)

    How are you planning on fogging the engines? I didn't see that mentioned.

    You can "turn" the engine over, but starting it/running it/stopping it might be a bit more challenging.
     
  4. northern

    northern Well-Known Member

    Jan 17, 2007
    West coast Vancouver to Alaska
    380 Aft Cabin 1989 GPS and Charts by Nobeltec
    Twin 454 strait shaft
    To put pink in the generator I take the hose off the strainer and put it in a bucket full of pink. Start engine and turn off when bucket is empty. To put pink in main engines I disconnect the wire from the coil to the distributor and rotor then have some one turn over the engine with the starter and pour 3 gallons of pink into the strainer. The engine sucks the pink through the system. First I drain the mufflers of sea water and then leave the plug out until all the pink runs out. I could do the same as the generator but hoses are a pain to take off the strainer.
     
  5. midexp

    midexp Active Member

    129
    Oct 5, 2016
    Harrison Township, Michigan Lake St.Clair
    1999 40' Sundancer
    454 merc
    I take a 5 gallon bucket and drilled a hole towards the bottom and attached a thru fitting. I then attach a hose from this fitting to the hose that exists the sea strainer and goes to the engine. I connects the hoses with a plastic barbed nipple. I also mount the bucket on a board that I lay on top of my engine. That way it's higher than the engine hose I'm attaching to. I don't like the idea of just filling the sea strainer. And I would not disconnect the coil wire and crank the engine until I drain the AF (can't be good for the starter). And the -50 being good? Remember, this will most likely mix with water still left in the engine. So -50 might not be -50. Most people use the -75 or 100.

    But as you see, everybody's got a different way.
     
  6. Jimmy Buoy

    Jimmy Buoy Well-Known Member

    Dec 3, 2008
    Sarnia, Ontario, Canada
    340 Amberjack
    twin 8.1S 370 Hp + 4.5 Westerbeke Genset
    You can buy a remote start switch that just connects to either side of the starter solenoid (on the top of the engine). Turn on the ignition, but don't go further to the start position. Then use your remote start switch to bridge the solenoid contacts which will engage the starter. Once the engine starts release the start switch.

    Turning the engine off once running will be another matter. The ways I can think of would probably result in getting a significant SHOCK...
     
  7. douglee25

    douglee25 Well-Known Member

    Jan 13, 2008
    NJ
    Boatless
    Big ones!
    Here's the rig I made up for my engines...

    1. Heavy duty Brute container (thick side walls)
    2. Drilled container for bulkhead fitting and valve
    3. Banjo style quick connect, fittings, 1" hose etc
    4. Strainer tops for engines and AC/Genny drilled and tapped for 1/2" mpt ball valves

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  8. Lazy Daze

    Lazy Daze Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor

    Apr 21, 2009
    PA
    Various
    Various
    If it's drained properly, the only water left will be residual, at best. So maybe it's down to -49 :)

    I'm not saying it's a bad idea to use -100, far from it. But when done correctly, the -50 is WAY MORE than adequate. It's a little misleading, though, to say that "most" use -100. It's more about what you know in your immediate surroundings. Case in point... I could easily say "most" use -50 as that's what everyone I know, and the boat shops around here, use. As a side point, where I work part time, we do close to 400 winterizings - all stern drives/inboards get -50... been working there for 20+ years and they did it this way well before I started there, as well.

    Just think about it rationally - what's the worst temps you have seen in the past and/or anticipate? And, those "worst" temps... it would have to STAY at those temps for a day or two. Here in Eastern PA, the absolute worst might be -20 for a few hours... and that would be extremely rare. Where the OP is, the temps are no worse - probably a tad bit warmer.
     
  9. Lazy Daze

    Lazy Daze Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor

    Apr 21, 2009
    PA
    Various
    Various
    That's where I was getting stuck, too... trying to think of an easy way for someone with little to moderate experience to do it safely. Best bet is to just use the ignition.
     
  10. fwebster

    fwebster Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor PLATINUM Sponsor

    Oct 6, 2006
    Middle Tennessee ; Panama City Beach, FL
    1996 450DA
    3116 Caterpillars
    When I had my 390EC, I mounted 2 ignition switches in a sealed ourdoor junction box mounted on the bulkhead. I parallel wired the ignition switch on the panel to the one now on the bulkhead. Whenever I wanted to start the engines from the bilge, I just turned the key. All ignition switch functions worked, including the hour meters.
     
  11. Lazy Daze

    Lazy Daze Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor

    Apr 21, 2009
    PA
    Various
    Various
    Darn it, Frank. I was just about to edit my post to say "... other than installing a remote ignition switch in the bilge". Steal my thunder, why don't you! :)
     
  12. midexp

    midexp Active Member

    129
    Oct 5, 2016
    Harrison Township, Michigan Lake St.Clair
    1999 40' Sundancer
    454 merc
    No that's a set up! WOW.
     
  13. Great lakes pirate

    Great lakes pirate Member

    496
    Jan 5, 2010
    Lake St. Clair
    2000 35 Tiara Open
    Cummins 370
    After I drain the engines and strainers, I spin this attachment I put together to the top of the strainer. I use one of those winterizer jugs and connect with a short garden hose. Fire up the engines to run about 5 gallons of -100 AF.

    When I’m done I drain the mufflers. EF5E57CF-964A-465F-8217-A1A879F85B40.jpeg
     
  14. Great lakes pirate

    Great lakes pirate Member

    496
    Jan 5, 2010
    Lake St. Clair
    2000 35 Tiara Open
    Cummins 370
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  15. suss1173

    suss1173 Member

    260
    Jul 11, 2013
    Sea Cliff, NY
    01- 340 with 7.4 Horizon's.
    Past- Pachanga 27- twin 350's, 94-300 DA with twin 350's Alpha gen 2
    Twin 350 Mag's
    Thanks for all the feed back and ideas.

    It sounds like it is gonna be best to have someone hit the ignition switch for me. It also sounds like the pink isn't gonna flow fast enough the way I was planning on doing it.

    I will use a barb to fit/ connect the hose from my 5 gallon bucket to the hose running between the strainer and seacock for this winterization. However, I like the setups posted above, so maybe over the winter I will look into getting another strainer top that I can modify and have something like DougLee or Greatlakes Pirate setup.

    LazyDayz, I was going to spay some fogging oil into the intake, I don't think I will be able to choke it out, like I was able to do with the carbureted motors, but than again the boat is only sitting from Nov 1 to May 15th.

    Having the ignition switch's in the bilge sounds like a great idea/ project for the future. Unfortunately, that might be above my DIY capabilities though.

    Regarding the pink stuff, as others posted, there various ways to do it and products to use. In my experience with prior boats, the manifolds get drained, so the pink "shouldn't" get that diluted and in Long Island it rarely get much below -5 and if it dose, its not for a sustained period. It is the only stuff I have used in prior boats, so I am comfortable using it on this boat.

    Thanks again for all the suggestions and feedback,

    Michael
     
    Last edited: Oct 30, 2018
  16. Lazy Daze

    Lazy Daze Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor

    Apr 21, 2009
    PA
    Various
    Various
    Michael, do you have an EFI fuel injection system or an MPI?
     
  17. hottoddie

    hottoddie Well-Known Member

    Jan 11, 2012
    Boston/Cape Cod
    1986 Sea Ray 390 Express
    Garmin 4212 Chartplotter
    Garmin 24 HD Radar
    Garmin GSD 22 Sounder
    Garm
    454 Crusaders
    I like the idea of the ignition switch in the bilge. As an alternative maybe I'll make an adaptor using an on/off toggle with push on connectors I can install in the positive coil wire. Start the engine from the helm with the strainer hose in a bucket of pink, jump into the engine room and spray fogging oil into the carb until the pink runs out then switch the toggle switch off.
     
  18. Todd320

    Todd320 Active Member

    540
    Jul 21, 2016
    St. Petersburg, FL
    2007 Sea Ray 320DA
    Twin V-drive 5.7L 350 Horizon
    I’m
    I’m not that mechanically inclined, but pulling out the fuel pump relay seems like a good idea to stop the engine (at least an EFI/MPI). I know my relay or harness died about 5 times when I first bought my boat and it would kill the engine in a heartbeat!
     
  19. suss1173

    suss1173 Member

    260
    Jul 11, 2013
    Sea Cliff, NY
    01- 340 with 7.4 Horizon's.
    Past- Pachanga 27- twin 350's, 94-300 DA with twin 350's Alpha gen 2
    Twin 350 Mag's
    I believe they are the MPI motors.
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    They are the MPI motors.
     
  20. northern

    northern Well-Known Member

    Jan 17, 2007
    West coast Vancouver to Alaska
    380 Aft Cabin 1989 GPS and Charts by Nobeltec
    Twin 454 strait shaft
    Starters get warm. Like the idea of fitting in top of strainer to deliver pink to engine constantly that way I could start the engines. It takes about 30 seconds for the generator to suck 2 gallons of pink so mains would not be much more to suck 3 gallons. The pink that drains out of the mufflers is as pink as the stuff I put in at the end.
     

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