If you don't like high gas prices......

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October 2, 2011.
 
comsnark said:
Evidence please. Btw: you will also need to show that increased taxes reduce revenue, or I will question your data. Your basic assumption is that reduced taxes cause significant economic growth. Is that true- or coincidental ( ie revenue goes up due to good economy- then taxes are cut)
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“As the mainstream media seek to make their case to the American people that the Bush tax cuts should expire, one of the primary strategies being employed is to claim that Republicans are refusing to “pay for” their extension of the tax cuts. And that therefore the Republicans will hike the deficit. The problem is that it’s a false premise, based on a static conception of human behavior that refuses to take into account the fact that people’s behavior changes depending upon how much of their money they are allowed to keep, and how much of their money is seized from them in taxation.”

Just like the point of this thread that boating behavior changes with the price of gas so does the tax response. At some point it is more efficent to pay the tax than avoid it.

Com, what do you think of these links? The most interesting thing is the percentage increase in how much increase the poor paid, not the "rich", with the Clinton tax increase.


http://www.house.gov/jec/fiscal/tx-grwth/reagtxct/reagtxct.htm

http://startthinkingright.wordpress...revenues-they-have-always-increased-revenues/
 
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I got a question. Who or what does the right count as mainstream media. Is it as simple as everyone but Fox? Just curious.
 
rickyp52 said:
I got a question. Who or what does the right count as mainstream media. Is it as simple as everyone but Fox? Just curious.
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There would be near universal agreement that the three networks, CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, LA Times, AP, Reuters, and their followers in smaller local markets are the “mainstream media”. Yes sir, these “neutral reporters” are pushing an agenda.
 
MonacoMike said:


Com, what do you think of these links? The most interesting thing is the percentage increase in how much increase the poor paid, not the "rich", with the Clinton tax increase.
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I have not had a chance to read in detail - but these appear to be talking point pieces with little to no hard information beyond the statement of the premise.

Look - I look at things simply. Most people lie about numbers - > and if the "conservatives" are not even bothering to claim a quantified revenue increase as a result of tax decreases -> then I conclude there are none.

Nobody last December was claiming the "temporary" tax cut measures was going to reduce the deficit - improve the economy, yes. Reduce deficit, no.
 
MonacoMike said:
There would be near universal agreement that the three networks, CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, LA Times, AP, Reuters, and their followers in smaller local markets are the “mainstream media”. Yes sir, these “neutral reporters” are pushing an agenda.
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So are you saying fox is the ONLY channel not pushing an agenda?

Or are you saying that fox is the only one pushing a hard right agenda?
 
sfergson727 said:
Regardless, the last time oil prices were getting out of control, a simple message from Washington helped bring them down. That message? We will drill domestically. Thus, I say again, "Drill Baby, Drill"

Conversly, oil has been steadily rising since obummer took office, his message?
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Really? You don't think that the minor drop in demand as the global economy ground to a halt may have also been a contributing factor? Do you?

Oh - and like it or not, the world economy has improved since '08. Doesn't that translate into increased demand?
 
comsnark said:
I have not had a chance to read in detail - but these appear to be talking point pieces with little to no hard information beyond the statement of the premise.

Look - I look at things simply. Most people lie about numbers - > and if the "conservatives" are not even bothering to claim a quantified revenue increase as a result of tax decreases -> then I conclude there are none.
Maybe it isn't a revenue increase, to get the economy rolling does it have to 'more'. The ability to tax new income created by a working, growing economy would be a welcome change compared to taking another slice of the same size pie.
Nobody last December was claiming the "temporary" tax cut measures was going to reduce the deficit - improve the economy, yes. Reduce deficit, no.
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Does it have to reduce the deficit in order to be successful? Maybe it'll just keep the the deficit increase from being quite as large.
 
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A while back I saw budget projections out some years. Key points: large increases in Revenue, increases in spending, decrease of the deficit. Repeat....continued annual increases in spending. How do you suppose they can achieve these things if the economy don't start to roll so they can tax some new additional income.
 
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If Obama really cared about this issue, he would invest some of our nations money and efforts to push for inexpensive turbochargers like the Ford Ecoboost.... http://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/experiencef150/

Who knows, there may be a creative and practical approach to hydrogen generators for internal combustion engines. Heck, why not shoot for the moon and create a micro fusion generator!
 
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comsnark said:
So are you saying fox is the ONLY channel not pushing an agenda?

Or are you saying that fox is the only one pushing a hard right agenda?
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Ok- I'm need to jump in here.

There isn't an unbiased news organization anywhere today. The biggest problem as I see it is that there is only one offering a different opinion/ angle/ slant then all the others. As human beings we have inherent bias. The problem gets public when our bias is further pushed due to financial considerations. Those could be as simple as keeping your job as a reporter if you sensationalize an angle to a story to the producer who is influenced by the sponsors of a particular program who have a outward agenda. The biggest issue is not our bias but that we are only offered one of two choices- Left or Right. I lean right on most fiscal issues and left/libertarian on most social issues. I just want the facts, but the problem is I have to wade through all the B.S. so try to find the truth. It is exhausting and it is not helping our democracy!
 
Big Island Lifer said:
Ok- I'm need to jump in here.

There isn't an unbiased news organization anywhere today. The biggest problem as I see it is that there is only one offering a different opinion/ angle/ slant then all the others. As human beings we have inherent bias. The problem gets public when our bias is further pushed due to financial considerations. Those could be as simple as keeping your job as a reporter if you sensationalize an angle to a story to the producer who is influenced by the sponsors of a particular program who have a outward agenda. The biggest issue is not our bias but that we are only offered one of two choices- Left or Right. I lean right on most fiscal issues and left/libertarian on most social issues. I just want the facts, but the problem is I have to wade through all the B.S. so try to find the truth. It is exhausting and it is not helping our democracy!
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After reading all this and listening to all the news I am very curious to hear what exactly does leaning left on social issues mean? I would really like to know what is the exact meaning of leaning left or right! I'm getting confused because you can see folks arguing left vs right but when talking personally to (left leaners) they believe mostly like I do and (right leaners) agree almost fully with my thinking:huh: How can we be so divided and, in the end, want pretty much the same thing:smt021
I have not been involved in politics for that long and not until the last few years (after becoming self employed...and that was not by choice but now is working out pretty good!) did I become deeply involved! I mean I work alot of hours to feed my family. I perform any task someone wants to pay for, from working on holding tanks on rv's to full remodel. I do not believe in hand outs but will support any sort of "hand up"! It's really eye opening how much it costs to try to "live the American Dream" and very irritating to see my tax dollars being handed out to folks who should have been neutered or "fixed" after the 3rd or 4th kid they cannot take care of!! So with this way of thinking, what exactly does that make me:huh:

Looking forward to replies from Comsnark and Rickyp52. If you can't tell from my tone I'm being sincere and not trying to be a smart azz.
 
Big Island Lifer said:
Ok- I'm need to jump in here.

There isn't an unbiased news organization anywhere today. The biggest problem as I see it is that there is only one offering a different opinion/ angle/ slant then all the others. As human beings we have inherent bias. The problem gets public when our bias is further pushed due to financial considerations. Those could be as simple as keeping your job as a reporter if you sensationalize an angle to a story to the producer who is influenced by the sponsors of a particular program who have a outward agenda. The biggest issue is not our bias but that we are only offered one of two choices- Left or Right. I lean right on most fiscal issues and left/libertarian on most social issues. I just want the facts, but the problem is I have to wade through all the B.S. so try to find the truth. It is exhausting and it is not helping our democracy!
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I’m right their with you, my daughter had to watch the coverage of the last election for homework and asked me which channel to watch, I told her switch between FOX and either CNN, MSN,ABC,CBS,NBC and the truth is somewhere in-between.

The other thing I find odd is the “Fairness Doctrine” aimed at talk radio, what about Broadcast news, the way I see it, most broadcast “news” leans left and most Talk radio leans right…..
 
floriduramax1 said:
After reading all this and listening to all the news I am very curious to hear what exactly does leaning left on social issues mean? I would really like to know what is the exact meaning of leaning left or right! I'm getting confused because you can see folks arguing left vs right but when talking personally to (left leaners) they believe mostly like I do and (right leaners) agree almost fully with my thinking:huh: How can we be so divided and, in the end, want pretty much the same thing:smt021
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I totally agree. THe problem is that we must make a choice. I have voted for third party candidates in the past but our country is controlled by two parties therefore you must choose the lesser of the two evils.


I still vote for none of the above!
 
Woody said:
3.5 billion barrels sounds like a lot of oil don't it? It isn't sh-t in the scope of things. Our usage is near 20million barrels a day, figure it out, we'd have that area sucked dry by Thanksgiving.
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ANYTIME said:
Assuming you are correct, this assumes that this would be the SOLE SOURCE of all of our domestic oil production. Using that logic, it doesn't make sense for us to do any domestic production.
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No, I'm not making any such assumptions, but your are, and they've lead you to a pretty silly conclusion. What happened to your original post anyway?
 
Big Island Lifer said:
Ok- I'm need to jump in here.

There isn't an unbiased news organization anywhere today. The biggest problem as I see it is that there is only one offering a different opinion/ angle/ slant then all the others. As human beings we have inherent bias. The problem gets public when our bias is further pushed due to financial considerations. Those could be as simple as keeping your job as a reporter if you sensationalize an angle to a story to the producer who is influenced by the sponsors of a particular program who have a outward agenda. The biggest issue is not our bias but that we are only offered one of two choices- Left or Right. I lean right on most fiscal issues and left/libertarian on most social issues. I just want the facts, but the problem is I have to wade through all the B.S. so try to find the truth. It is exhausting and it is not helping our democracy!
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floriduramax1 said:
After reading all this and listening to all the news I am very curious to hear what exactly does leaning left on social issues mean? I would really like to know what is the exact meaning of leaning left or right! I'm getting confused because you can see folks arguing left vs right but when talking personally to (left leaners) they believe mostly like I do and (right leaners) agree almost fully with my thinking:huh: How can we be so divided and, in the end, want pretty much the same thing:smt021
I have not been involved in politics for that long and not until the last few years (after becoming self employed...and that was not by choice but now is working out pretty good!) did I become deeply involved! I mean I work alot of hours to feed my family. I perform any task someone wants to pay for, from working on holding tanks on rv's to full remodel. I do not believe in hand outs but will support any sort of "hand up"! It's really eye opening how much it costs to try to "live the American Dream" and very irritating to see my tax dollars being handed out to folks who should have been neutered or "fixed" after the 3rd or 4th kid they cannot take care of!! So with this way of thinking, what exactly does that make me:huh:

Looking forward to replies from Comsnark and Rickyp52. If you can't tell from my tone I'm being sincere and not trying to be a smart azz.
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+1.
 
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