I think I finally found a good boat that's priced well/fair

Golfman25 said:
Actually it’s a shame cause thinking about it 130 isn’t all that low which is probably why it hits 4200. Could be something you live with until it’s time to deal with. Leak down should tell you what you need to know. Assuming the broker isn’t inflicted with covid, he’s an ass.
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Agreed, at this point we just need the broker to respond, I think I will move forward with what I have learned from you guys on this post/forum.
 
Golfman25 said:
Actually it’s a shame cause thinking about it 130 isn’t all that low which is probably why it hits 4200. Could be something you live with until it’s time to deal with. Leak down should tell you what you need to know. Assuming the broker isn’t inflicted with covid, he’s an ass.
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Maybe it's a shame, maybe not. There's no way to know what condition that motor is in. Buyer wants to pay for his own compression check and the seller heads him off with 'I just had that done, everythings fine, just one cyl low at 130.' Then buyer wants to do a leakdown test and seller hasn't even responded in 3-4 weeks.

The seller doesn't want him looking too close at the boat or maybe the seller thinks the buyer is a tire kicker and wants him to go away.

I'd forget all about this boat and the wet one too.
 
Woody said:
Maybe it's a shame, maybe not. There's no way to know what condition that motor is in. Buyer wants to pay for his own compression check and the seller heads him off with 'I just had that done, everythings fine, just one cyl low at 130.' Then buyer wants to do a leakdown test and seller hasn't even responded in 3-4 weeks.

The seller doesn't want him looking too close at the boat or maybe the seller thinks the buyer is a tire kicker and wants him to go away.

I'd forget all about this boat and the wet one too.
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Nobody willing to spend money on compression and leakdown tests is a tire kicker. The broker isn't working for his client. He could easily say, do your leak down test, but we aint adjusting the price regardless of the results. Maybe hoping to find some sucker in the spring.
 
Golfman25 said:
Nobody willing to spend money on compression and leakdown tests is a tire kicker. The broker isn't working for his client. He could easily say, do your leak down test, but we aint adjusting the price regardless of the results. Maybe hoping to find some sucker in the spring.
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See, we've got it figured out then. The seller don't want him looking any closer at the boat.:D
 
Golfman25 said:
Nobody willing to spend money on compression and leakdown tests is a tire kicker. The broker isn't working for his client. He could easily say, do your leak down test, but we aint adjusting the price regardless of the results. Maybe hoping to find some sucker in the spring.
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This!
 
As a broker, I have followed this thread from the beginning. First thing I don't think buyers realize, when making first offer subject to survey etc, does not mean there is still negotiation after the survey, it will happen in most cases, but not required. The signed offer says I am real and am serious. The survey is for you to make a decision whether to move forward or not. Second, I feel sorry for anyone trying to buy right now, the market is crazy. Most boats for sale right now are either the bottom of the barrel or sellers trying to hit a homerun on their boat, not realizing what they will deal with when they are trying to replace their sold boat. That rusty boat is one to stay away from, that boat will have gremlins forever. Rain water is not salty, rotten panels are rotten panels, boats are designed to be wet. Good luck, I know it's hard to be patient, but try.
 
bahamabreisus said:
As a broker, I have followed this thread from the beginning. First thing I don't think buyers realize, when making first offer subject to survey etc, does not mean there is still negotiation after the survey, it will happen in most cases, but not required. The signed offer says I am real and am serious. The survey is for you to make a decision whether to move forward or not. Second, I feel sorry for anyone trying to buy right now, the market is crazy. Most boats for sale right now are either the bottom of the barrel or sellers trying to hit a homerun on their boat, not realizing what they will deal with when they are trying to replace their sold boat. That rusty boat is one to stay away from, that boat will have gremlins forever. Rain water is not salty, rotten panels are rotten panels, boats are designed to be wet. Good luck, I know it's hard to be patient, but try.
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I think it depends on what’s known and what’s unknown. Known items should be negotiated beforehand. When the survey finds unknown issues the seller should be willing to negotiate those. I had a boat which on the surface looked great. After the survey the thing didn’t even have working bilge pumps. It was like death by 1000 paper cuts - a lot of little things which added up. Then there was the swim platform with the rotting support structure. I was willing to eat it all but I wanted a deduction to recondition the dinged up props. No go. It was absurd.
 
Some brokers are just happy to have a listing and don't care. Me, I try to find out as much as possible about the boat. I then try to price accordingly. When someone calls about the boat, I will give any info up front. I cant see negotiating a contract, loosing a full day on a survey, watching someone spend their hard earned money and wasting their time, when I know what's wrong already. I guess the difference is I am not trying to make a living, I do it for the fun.
 
bahamabreisus said:
I honestly think the difference is I am not trying to make a living. just enjoying what I do.
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IDK, I think you make a living by getting deals to close with the least amount of surprises. By going over the boat in detail with the seller, even to the point of a test ride to "check the numbers," it seems you can present the boat in a way to maximize value and minimize wasted time. Playing dumb or worse trying to hide things only leads to deals falling apart.
 
The broker I am dealing with is a mess. Has about 3 other jobs, only will text, takes a week to respond and when she does it's with pretty much useless info that never addresses my questions. Last communication via text ended abruptly during our negotiations when my last question was met with "someone is putting in a verbal agreement." Haven't heard a thing from the broker in 2 weeks despite me reaching out.

I'm so tempted to reach out to the owner directly since we have met, talked on the phone a few times, etc. Only reason I have not yet is the broker is a long time family friend....frustrating.
 
When we were looking at one, I found he had an add on craigslist locally. His broker was in Florida and had never stepped on his boat. The broker wanted is to send them the whole purchase amount and sign a contract just to look at the boat. To look. They had only a few photos and didn't show the "whole story". I contacted the owner and he was in the process of removing the add. But he told me that after two years on the market with the broker, they did nothing but force him to keep lowering his price. And he had not a single person look at it. His add had the lawyers contacting him about breach of contract. As well as anybody that contacted him about future purchase.

He did call me after his contract was up. The offer he was putting out would have been a better one on a better boat than we picked up. But I still love what we got.
 
@douglee25 no response.

I emailed the broker when the rust and corrosion boat to tell him I'm going to pass.

This is his direct quote reply:

"I'd like to, with all sincerity, tell you to "eat shit" and offer to deliver that message personally should happen to want stop by for visit sometime....Kindest Regards, Mike"

This is Deaton Yacht Sales in Oriental, NC now owned by Zimmerman.
 
mrsrobinson said:
@douglee25 no response.

I emailed the broker when the rust and corrosion boat to tell him I'm going to pass.

This is his direct quote reply:

"I'd like to, with all sincerity, tell you to "eat shit" and offer to deliver that message personally should happen to want stop by for visit sometime....Kindest Regards, Mike"

This is Deaton Yacht Sales in Oriental, NC now owned by Zimmerman.
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Wow! I'd probably report that to the dealership.
 
mrsrobinson said:
@douglee25 no response.

I emailed the broker when the rust and corrosion boat to tell him I'm going to pass.

This is his direct quote reply:

"I'd like to, with all sincerity, tell you to "eat shit" and offer to deliver that message personally should happen to want stop by for visit sometime....Kindest Regards, Mike"

This is Deaton Yacht Sales in Oriental, NC now owned by Zimmerman.
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That is an amazing response. Is there a history between the two of you that would warrant such a reaction? Hard to imagine what would cause a sales person to respond like this unless provoked. Even then………!
 
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