How about a non-political question?

Blueone said:
this is a really poor excuse for owning a mini van….. as my kids would say a loser cruiser :)
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I've driven a minivan since 1996. There's not a more versatile vehicle out there. In my case, it's my wife that has little interest in driving a minivan. She's much more concerned about what others might think. I don't care about that kind of thing.
 
play dough said:
I've driven a minivan since 1996. There's not a more versatile vehicle out there. In my case, it's my wife that has little interest in driving a minivan. She's much more concerned about what others might think. I don't care about that kind of thing.
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I have 4 kids.. when I got my wife off the mini van craze… I got her into suburbans…. She rocked it and never turned back …. And the thing can tow a big boat…..and go skiiing…. Towed a rental skid steer to put a inground pool in the backyard….. very versatile
 
Porsche has performance settings that eliminate it. When set to Sport or Sport+ It does not come on. I routinely use the Sport setting which opens up the exhaust valves a little bit as well.
 
It's very easy to disable this. You can buy a device for less than $100 or as I did on my '16 F150...put in a small jumper wire behind the switch.
 
Stee6043 said:
I've got it on my GMC truck. When I bought the truck I forced myself to give it a month before I started hitting the button to turn it off.

After four weeks I stopped noticing it, I saw the light and changed my ways. I'll turn it off if I'm in really slow, creeping stop/go traffic. But otherwise it's pretty seamless.

I'm getting 18-19mpg city in my Sierra 1500 w/6.2L engine. I don't know how much of a difference the autostop makes but I'm astounded by the mileage compared to my 2011 6.2L pickup. That thing lived at 13mpg city no matter how I drove it...

Shoot, I've never heard a golfer complain about the autostop on golf carts :)
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Real golfers don't take carts. :)
 
Blueone said:
I have 4 kids.. when I got my wife off the mini van craze… I got her into suburbans…. She rocked it and never turned back …. And the thing can tow a big boat…..and go skiiing…. Towed a rental skid steer to put a inground pool in the backyard….. very versatile
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So, I'm getting that tow capability is your standard for versatility. Yes, a Suburban wins that contest. My minivan's ability to convert from a 7 passenger people hauler to a 4x8 sheet good, lumber, furniture hauler (in about 60 seconds) at lower operational and ownership costs would be my argument...and it will tow 3600 lbs. I'd need to own/rent a trailer with any SUV (including Suburban) to meet my needs.
 
play dough said:
So, I'm getting that tow capability is your standard for versatility. Yes, a Suburban wins that contest. My minivan's ability to convert from a 7 passenger people hauler to a 4x8 sheet good, lumber, furniture hauler (in about 60 seconds) at lower operational and ownership costs would be my argument...and it will tow 3600 lbs. I'd need to own/rent a trailer with any SUV (including Suburban) to meet my needs.
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I think you just justified a suburban :)
 
Blueone said:
I think you just justified a suburban :)
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My wife had a Honda Odyssey in the mid-2000s when our kids were little. It was very versatile, handled great and had a more than capable engine. Towing was never a consideration, but getting my kids and aging parents to the lake in comfort in a vehicle that didn't require my parents to hoist themselves in was. The Odyssey fit the bill perfectly. Then in 2010 somebody in a work van rear ended it at a stop sign and totaled it. I got my wife to test drive a Suburban and Tahoe. She was a hard no on both, absolutely hated them. Bought a car instead and she drove my Honda Pilot. I replaced that with a CX 9 with a towing package. Tows 4,500#, which is all we need.
 
Mercedes has it, it annoyed me at first before I realized it only actually engages if you’re still on the brakes after the car has stopped. I now like it and it does save a lot of fuel, especially sitting in traffic. You can also disengage it before you accelerate by turning the steering wheel a bit.
 
OllieC said:
...ditto to everyone else. It's standard on our Outback and I turn it off when i get permission to drive it. It usually takes me my 1st stop to realize it's on. I've heard complaints about this tech on higher HP vehicles, or ones with turbos. When they restart, they tend to get real jerky.
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You must have it on your f150 Ecoboost? I have it on mine. I don’t even notice it.
 
The Explorer and Ram 1500 had stop/start with the radio on, passengers had no idea it was doing the stop/start was even happening. I had the Ram in Florida and there were times in the summer it would start while stopped to keep the a/c cooling. My current F150 is a hybrid (Powerboost) so it's stopped running long before I even come to a stop. The motor and battery are small so it will not accelerate on electric so it'll always go to the ice. No jerking. Smooth.
 
My wife’s 2019 Honda Pilot has the same feature with the disable button. Have to press it every time. Sometimes I forget and it’s annoying. As said, it’s a way to achieve higher CAFE mileage.

in some situations the restart is smooth, and in some the delay is very annoying. In general I don’t like the new all computer transmissions. The delay is really annoying.

My son, who has his learners permit, greatly prefers my 2012 Maxima over the Pilot because the latter is jerky.
 
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