honda generator

I was wondering why a guy would wish for green balls.........sounds unsettling to say the least!
 
Four suns you need a good kick in the ass , Im done conversing with you and others here , and Im sure many others on this forum would agree with me, you think your such a big man with your name calling and rude comments , It shows your a real classy guy :lol: , actually gives the name Sea Ray a bad look , you were the little geek in school wernt you ? awwwww picked on and such , and now you have to sit behind a mac and hide while you pick at others and poke fun at myself and others , This is my first Sea Ray , but my 17th boat to be exact ,all ranging from 19foot cc to my biggest a 36 , oh then my father has his 65, Hatteras ! so dont think I have a thing agianst big boat owners , because ive been there done that and this point of my life I want a trailerable boat thats easy to manage at my young age , Im 35, lost everything with the housing market crash ,Four Suns I have more class then you ever will !! People give performance boat owners a hard time ,think were all ass holes , well Ill take my Fountian and my perf boat friends over any of you name calling fools any day !! I say good day and farewell to you !
 
fasttoys7619 said:
Four suns you need a good kick in the ass , Im done conversing with you and others here , and Im sure many others on this forum would agree with me, you think your such a big man with your name calling and rude comments , It shows your a real classy guy :lol: , actually gives the name Sea Ray a bad look , you were the little geek in school wernt you ? awwwww picked on and such , and now you have to sit behind a mac and hide while you pick at others and poke fun at myself and others , This is my first Sea Ray , but my 17th boat to be exact ,all ranging from 19foot cc to my biggest a 36 , oh then my father has his 65, Hatteras ! so dont think I have a thing agianst big boat owners , because ive been there done that and this point of my life I want a trailerable boat thats easy to manage at my young age , Im 35, lost everything with the housing market crash ,Four Suns I have more class then you ever will !! People give performance boat owners a hard time ,think were all ass holes , well Ill take my Fountian and my perf boat friends over any of you name calling fools any day !! I say good day and farewell to you !
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" farewell to you "

Promises, promises!
 
FASTTOYS, Lighten up,Francis, maybe a potbelly pig for a boat companion might calm you down. :grin:
 
Woody said:
I've spent hrs each time this pops up...
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I'm with you Woody. I have scoured the schematics for numerous different boats, marine generators, portable generators, etc. and can't really determine an explicit conclusion. I have no interest in using a portable generator on my boat, and I don't have one factory-installed, but I am interested from a curiosity and accurate knowledge standpoint.

At the risk of being slammed, I have to say I am having trouble seeing any significant difference electrically between a factory genset and a portable. The common grounding methodology on many boats seems to be AC ground and DC ground are tied together, and AC neutral is specifically not bonded to any ground. When shore power is connected, neutral is specifically un-bonded from the AC ground using an on-board galvanic isolator on the AC ground (probably one costing $300 to $1000 though, not $7K!). When you take that into consideration, a generator that does bond ground to neutral that is plugged into the shore power receptacle looks just like shore power to the boat, and the isolator unbonds them. The bonding harness of the boat also seems to typically be bonded to DC ground at the engine block, and then ultimately to AC ground. This, in a way, results in a conduction plate to ground through the water via the running gear, although it's not clear if this is intentional by design.

Getting electricity to ground via water is not an easy task in general, even if your entire hull is metal. It can, as you point out, be effective to attenuate RF and EMI noise affecting electronics, however.

Other considerations are the short-to-neutral, short-to-ground, and short-to-human contact.
- short to neutral: AC breaker trip, GFCI should intervene normally first if on the load side of a receptacle regardless of the type of genset.
- short to ground: I am confused by this one. For any generator scenario this would make the AC ground bus "hot" and, in turn, the DC ground bus and everything bonded on the boat. This may or may not trip a breaker depending on how much current can leak to earth ground via metal contact to the water, and although an imbalance with neutral would exist, it would only trip a GFCI IF the short were on the load side of the receptacle. If the breaker at the factory genset is GFCI it should trip. If it is not and the fault is in the wiring somewhere, this is a worse scenario than the portable whose GFCI would trip (or am I missing something?)! The Westerbeke wiring diagram for my boat is surprising with neutral jumpered (bonded) to AC ground, which is avoided everywhere else on the boat...perhaps there is another isolator that is not shown or I missed.
- short-to-human: presumably on the load side of a GFCI receptacle which would trip with any generator.

One interesting thing I have learned is that by plugging-in a non-marine, grounded (3-prong) device into an AC receptacle on your boat you may inadvertently compromise the grounding methodology employed since it could have ground and neutral bonded together.

To the original poster, my opinion is (and this just my opinion) that regardless of the conviction, and on occasion breathtaking bravado, some arguments are made here, no one has necessarily provided perfectly accurate information. That being said, a lot of valid points have been made by some very experienced boaters that should not be ignored.

It's late...maybe I am missing something obvious here...I am sure someone will let me know if I have!!
 
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I have to say I am having trouble seeing any significant difference electrically between a factory genset and a portable.
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Exactly. Finally someone who's got the stones to standup and voice his own opinion based not only on fact but also on pure logic and basic common sense. 14+ pages of posts on this thread and as always most are "mindlessly" bashing the use of portable generators on boats saying they're deadly, never minding the fact that tens of thousands of people use them every day on boats and I've yet to have seen any of you post one credible news link that reports where anyone has ever died directly from results stemming from the use of a portable generator on a boat.

It's clear to see that most of the posters on this thread are mere "wet fingers in the wind" who obviously can't think for themselves and feel most secure holding onto the tail of the majority or of those they look up to and want to giggle and make jokes with, regardless of their own senses of logic and common sense.

I've learned a lot from this thread and a lot about many of you. I joined this forum less than 2 years ago thinking that I'd like to be a part of an assembly of boating professionals to share experiences and ideas. The contents of this thread has really disappointed me.

It's clear to me there's a clique here, all of whom giggle like little school girls ridiculing the new kid in the class. You make sarcastic comments and jokes of the people who ask legitimate questions, like the original poster of this thread who hasn't been heard from since. I don't blame the poor guy, I'd have disappeared too and I'd never post again, as he probably won't. I hope you all feel like big men now. If I ever feel the need to ask something about my boat or if there's anything I'd like to learn more about before I make a purchase, trust me, I'll look elsewhere for the enlightenment.
 
tdschafer said:
I was wondering why a guy would wish for green balls.........sounds unsettling to say the least!
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Actually it was part of the old CSR initiation involving a rotary polisher, urinal, toilet bowl of turds, copyrights and the intellectual material of a pot smoking duck. All was the creation of a secret society led by a figure only known as the ‘Head Pot Stirrer’, and only identified by scars of go cart crashes, making chicken soup, and a stubbed toe. It’s rumored they gathered in G-Dock, an exclusive, erect antenna required section of CSR. There were some exceptions, but it’s invitation only membership was primarily of wealthy big diesel boat owners. Gas boater mistercomputerman was allowed because he always had good cigars, FC3 because he was full of ipse dixit, and plebe Turtlesboat’s rep as boy whore gained him easy entrance. It is said that at each meeting Turtle was required to recount his epic exploits with Nancy Pelosi. The societies pledge of secrecy limits the details but a leaked image shows a rather feisty looking Nancy gagging on a rubber ball while restrained by chain painted in a mysterious ternary color code, the meaning of which is only known by failed initiate Wingtard. I hope this answers your question.
 
Powderfinger said:
Exactly. Finally someone who's got the stones to standup and voice his own opinion based not only on fact but also on pure logic and basic common sense. 14+ pages of posts on this thread and as always most are "mindlessly" bashing the use of portable generators on boats saying they're deadly, never minding the fact that tens of thousands of people use them every day on boats and I've yet to have seen any of you post one credible news link that reports where anyone has ever died directly from results stemming from the use of a portable generator on a boat.

It's clear to see that most of the posters on this thread are mere "wet fingers in the wind" who obviously can't think for themselves and feel most secure holding onto the tail of the majority or of those they look up to and want to giggle and make jokes with, regardless of their own senses of logic and common sense.

I've learned a lot from this thread and a lot about many of you. I joined this forum less than 2 years ago thinking that I'd like to be a part of an assembly of boating professionals to share experiences and ideas. The contents of this thread has really disappointed me.

It's clear to me there's a clique here, all of whom giggle like little school girls ridiculing the new kid in the class. You make sarcastic comments and jokes of the people who ask legitimate questions, like the original poster of this thread who hasn't been heard from since. I don't blame the poor guy, I'd have disappeared too and I'd never post again, as he probably won't. I hope you all feel like big men now. If I ever feel the need to ask something about my boat or if there's anything I'd like to learn more about before I make a purchase, trust me, I'll look elsewhere for the enlightenment.
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You can do as you please and my last post which is all horsing around probably won't help anything but there really are some good points in this thread and alot more in CSR as a whole. A good portion of it comes from some of the characters that posted about generators. This generator subject reminds me of talking politics. I would encourage you to stick around and take advantage of all that's good here at CSR and take the rest with a grain of salt.
 
I've been on lots and lots of forums dealing with cars, motorcycles, firearms, military.. ect.. but this is without a doubt the one with the weirdest collection of members... While I won't say that I'm leaving, I seriously doubt that I'll be checking in as often as I have since I arrived here. This place reminds me of the VFW.. (which im a member of but never visit either) it's a collection of windbags that really aren't interested in helping others as much as they are interested in using others lack of knowledge for their own amusement.
 
Never install a portable electric generator below deck. At the time of this writing, no portable generator meets Coast Guard Electrical and Fuel System Standards. With the fuel tank above the generator directly above electrical components that are not ignition-protected, a potentially serious fire hazard exists. Also, exhaust systems are rarely constructed of marine alloys and may rust through after brief exposure to a marine environment. Do not use any flame-producing device in a non-ventilated area. Alcohol heaters and stoves, propane heaters and stoves, catalytic heaters, oil or gasoline lamps, and charcoal stoves and grills consume oxygen. As oxygen levels in an enclosed space fall, fuel is incompletely burned and carbon monoxide is produced. A clue this is happening is that a normal blue flame becomes yellow and smoky.

http://www.oregon.gov/OSMB/safety/Carbon2.shtml

Also, as pointed out in one of the hundreds of other gen threads, the coast guard, when documenting deaths, does not differentiate between portable and built in generators. They just tic off generator caused death.
 
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Woody said:
...but there really are some good points in this thread and alot more in CSR as a whole.
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Agreed Woody. This forum has been an invaluable resource on a number of occasions. Written communication can be tricky sometimes as the tone is not always obvious and can be misconstrued. It can be very easy for some friendly ball-busting to come off the rails. If I were to put in print some of the good-natured conversations I have had with my best buddies you would think we were mortal enemies! Safe to say if this same discussion were going on around the table with some pints in front of us there would be no hard feelings.

That said, some posters could be a little less critical and more open to the fact there is always an opportunity to learn.
 
fasttoys7619 said:
People give performance boat owners a hard time ,think were all ass holes , well Ill take my Fountian and my perf boat friends over any of you name calling fools any day !! I say good day and farewell to you !
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That explains it... doesn't even own a Sea Ray.

Again, I didn't start it... go back and look... Mr pullmyfinger started calling people with boats over 30' elite asses and telling us to shut up... I just joined in to the fun.
 
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Powderfinger said:
...tens of thousands of people use them every day on boats and I've yet to have seen any of you post one credible news link that reports where anyone has ever died directly from results stemming from the use of a portable generator on a boat.
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As a point of clarification, I am not condoning nor condemning the use of portable generators on a boat. I don't mean to present an argument that they are safe, rather I am just trying to really understand the topic. I would guess my understanding is somewhere around 60% at this point. Maybe I'm being generous, I'm not sure. My hope is someone that knows more than I do will point out any misunderstanding I have.

There is a lot of "this is how I understand it" and partially-accurate information on the Internet, including in this thread. Grounding schemes on boats, what will cause a situation where electrical shock is possible, how a GFCI breaker works, how a galvanic isolator is employed in practice, what are potential causes for the reverse polarity light to activiate when polarity is not reversed, etc. have all been incorrectly or inconclusively (yet confidently) professed on. Not knowing what you don't know on these topics could be more detrimental than not knowing anything at all because then you are poised to expose yourself to more dangerous situations...
 
I’m so confused.

This 30’ and over = elitist ass rule, does it include the swim platform or not?

I own a 280 Sundancer so that’s 28 feet so I’m not an elitist ass right?

But according to the Sea Ray specifications my boats length is 31’1” when you include the swim platform.

My boat has gas engines not diesel. So I’m not an elitist ass, right?

But I have a built in generator so I am an elitist ass again.

However I don’t have a grounding plate for this generator so I may be safe after all.

I’m so confused. Am I an ass or not?
 
Woody said:
Actually it was part of the old CSR initiation involving a rotary polisher, urinal, toilet bowl of turds, copyrights and the intellectual material of a pot smoking duck. All was the creation of a secret society led by a figure only known as the ‘Head Pot Stirrer’, and only identified by scars of go cart crashes, making chicken soup, and a stubbed toe. It’s rumored they gathered in G-Dock, an exclusive, erect antenna required section of CSR. There were some exceptions, but it’s invitation only membership was primarily of wealthy big diesel boat owners. Gas boater mistercomputerman was allowed because he always had good cigars, FC3 because he was full of ipse dixit, and plebe Turtlesboat’s rep as boy whore gained him easy entrance. It is said that at each meeting Turtle was required to recount his epic exploits with Nancy Pelosi. The societies pledge of secrecy limits the details but a leaked image shows a rather feisty looking Nancy gagging on a rubber ball while restrained by chain painted in a mysterious ternary color code, the meaning of which is only known by failed initiate Wingtard. I hope this answers your question.
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LMAO!!!!!!:lol::smt043:smt043:smt043:lol:
Thank God I wasn't sipping my coffe when I read this!!! Thanks for the good laugh!! Too Funny!!

 
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Presentation said:
I’m so confused.

This 30’ and over = elitist ass rule, does it include the swim platform or not?

I own a 280 Sundancer so that’s 28 feet so I’m not an elitist ass right?

But according to the Sea Ray specifications my boats length is 31’1” when you include the swim platform.

My boat has gas engines not diesel. So I’m not an elitist ass, right?

But I have a built in generator so I am an elitist ass again.

However I don’t have a grounding plate for this generator so I may be safe after all.

I’m so confused. Am I an ass or not?
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Pres,

Judging only from the specs you provided I would have to say you're an "Ass", just not an "Elite" one!:grin:
 
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