Health Care Reform

[Scotto97]

IMHO,

Health care should be handled like education. Every child can attend school without direct charge. We all pay for their education whether we have a child or not. The well-off and so inclined can choose to send their children to private school, but the still pay the same toward public education. That's because it cheaper to have children educated than in prison or committing crimes.

Same is true for health care - it's cheaper for every one to have basic care than pay the uninsured to go into emergency rooms.

 

[1stSeaRay]

You think health care is expensive now? Just wait until its free!


Seriously, read the article at this link, then come back and let me know if you still feel the same.

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/functions/printfriendly.php?article=118

 

[1stSeaRay]

Oh, and by the way, our public education system really is not the greatest comparison for a measure of success.

 

[SR400DB]

Here is a thought. Work hard, make money and pay your own way. Just my .02.

 

[gnealon]

Here is a thought. Work hard, make money and pay your own way. Just my .02.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Turtlesboat]

When did health insurance become a catch all? I have car insurance, I have boat insurance, I have home insurance etc... everytime I go out in the boat, the insurance company doesn't pay for my gas. when my TV goes blink, my insurance company doesn't buy me a new one. When my oil needs changed, statefarm doesn't take care of it. When was health insurance setup this way? holy crap, these co-payment fees are "outrageous"!?!? I only have major medical and it's extremely affordable. Basically, if I get hit by a bus, i'm covered. colds, minor stitches, etc... I pay for out of my pocket.

 

[ghuskin]

trouble is, many are now willing to forgo freedom for security.

 

[Scotto97]

"Work hard and pay your own way" is a noble idea but not practical.

Unless you advocate non-insured/under insured people being refused medical care they cannot afford.

As an example - let's say a 9 year old boy is diagnosed with cancer and is uninsured. What should we do in this country? Let him die without treatment? If he's treated, the hospital will take the loss and charge everyone more in order to spread out the costs.

So we are all paying for the uninsured anyway, it would be less expense to give them a basic package the includes cost-saving preventive care.

I think we're fighting against the idea that some will get "something for nothing" or without hard work. These are strong ideals from our country's history. If we can get beyond that, we'll realize it's just cheaper for all of us to provide some basic care for everyone.

 

[fc3]

Is Government Health Care Constitutional?
The right to privacy conflicts with rationing and regulation.

Let's hope so. They certainly make a good argument.

 

[fc3]

"Work hard and pay your own way" is a noble idea but not practical.

Unless you advocate non-insured/under insured people being refused medical care they cannot afford.

As an example - let's say a 9 year old boy is diagnosed with cancer and is uninsured. What should we do in this country? Let him die without treatment? If he's treated, the hospital will take the loss and charge everyone more in order to spread out the costs.

So we are all paying for the uninsured anyway, it would be less expense to give them a basic package the includes cost-saving preventive care.

I think we're fighting against the idea that some will get "something for nothing" or without hard work. These are strong ideals from our country's history. If we can get beyond that, we'll realize it's just cheaper for all of us to provide some basic care for everyone.

If pediatric oncology is something you feel strongly about, you can send your donation to Saint Jude's Children's Research Hospital. We do. Otherwise, you're just a hypocrite.

Best regards,
Frank C

 

[skibum]

IMHO,

Health care should be handled like education. Every child can attend school without direct charge. We all pay for their education whether we have a child or not. The well-off and so inclined can choose to send their children to private school, but the still pay the same toward public education. That's because it cheaper to have children educated than in prison or committing crimes.

Same is true for health care - it's cheaper for every one to have basic care than pay the uninsured to go into emergency rooms.

When trying to make the case for any topic, it is usually best to compare it to something that actually works. The education system is a mess. So you want to screw up healthcare, too? :huh:

 

[Scotto97]

When trying to make the case for any topic, it is usually best to compare it to something that actually works. The education system is a mess. So you want to screw up healthcare, too? :huh:

While I agree the public aducation system needs improvement, what would you suggest?

Should only parents capable of funding their own child's education (ie - private schooling) be allow to have children?

By the way - for millions of Americans the health care system is all ready screwed up. Many have insurance but are dropped or simply run out of coverage and file bankruptcy, even losing their homes in certain cases.

 

[sbw1]

H'mmm....Amtrack Medicine. Has kind of a ring to it.

 

[Four Suns]

"Work hard and pay your own way" is a noble idea but not practical.

Unless you advocate non-insured/under insured people being refused medical care they cannot afford.

As an example - let's say a 9 year old boy is diagnosed with cancer and is uninsured. What should we do in this country? Let him die without treatment? If he's treated, the hospital will take the loss and charge everyone more in order to spread out the costs.

So we are all paying for the uninsured anyway, it would be less expense to give them a basic package the includes cost-saving preventive care.

I think we're fighting against the idea that some will get "something for nothing" or without hard work. These are strong ideals from our country's history. If we can get beyond that, we'll realize it's just cheaper for all of us to provide some basic care for everyone.

So here is my cold response. Why does anyone think that health care is a right? That's ridiculous. I have a better idea... maybe the people that can't afford health insurance shouldn't have kids! Why is it when we had kids, we had to make sure we had the ability to provide for them. Now it seems people just scream about the poor kids that can't get health insurance... give me a break. I say treat their illnesses and put the parents in debtors prison (after sterilizing them).

But this comes from a person that doesn't believe education is a right either. I think if a student/parents don't want to be educated, kick them out. All the bad students are doing now to the education system is "dumbing it down" and holding back the motivated students from doing well and driving the future economy.... and unlike the dumb sh!t Obama administration thinks, I don't think a college education is a "right" either. Anyone can go to college now... but you have to borrow the money to get there and pay it back... nothing wrong with that.

As Frank said, give to St. Judes (we do also) and other free medical clinics if you want. My biggest charity is a local health clinic... but it's not a right to get pain meds if you bump your elbow.

 

[Four Suns]

While I agree the public aducation system needs improvement, what would you suggest?

Here ya go... if you "fail" out of school, you have to go into the army making $1.91 and hour. You must be 12 years old or greater.

Should only parents capable of funding their own child's education (ie - private schooling) be allow to have children?

No one said that... but if you don't take advantage and use the opportunity of your free education... see previous remark on army.

By the way - for millions of Americans the health care system is all ready screwed up. Many have insurance but are dropped or simply run out of coverage and file bankruptcy, even losing their homes in certain cases.

I'm not buying that stupid ass blanket statement... I personally know people that don't have health insurance but have cell phones and the latest 55" plasma TV... but I guess those are "rights" also?

 

[Scotto97]

So here is my cold response. Why does anyone think that health care is a right? That's ridiculous. I have a better idea... maybe the people that can't afford health insurance shouldn't have kids! Why is it when we had kids, we had to make sure we had the ability to provide for them. Now it seems people just scream about the poor kids that can't get health insurance... give me a break. I say treat their illnesses and put the parents in debtors prison (after sterilizing them).

But this comes from a person that doesn't believe education is a right either. I think if a student/parents don't want to be educated, kick them out. All the bad students are doing now to the education system is "dumbing it down" and holding back the motivated students from doing well and driving the future economy.... and unlike the dumb sh!t Obama administration thinks, I don't think a college education is a "right" either. Anyone can go to college now... but you have to borrow the money to get there and pay it back... nothing wrong with that.

As Frank said, give to St. Judes (we do also) and other free medical clinics if you want. My biggest charity is a local health clinic... but it's not a right to get pain meds if you bump your elbow.

I appreciate your direct and honest point of view – exactly what I’m getting at. How dare people have kids they can't afford or get sick when they can't pay for treatment!!

Your idea of denying education and medical care to those unable to afford it is fantastic.

Of course we become a police state with little or no individual rights in order to control the masses of the violent uneducated and sickly underclass.

 

[Blueone]

I think the problem with health care is the system.
The hospitals are inefficient, the insurance providers are inefficient and the lawyers are very efficient... Health care can be affordable for everyone if somehow it can be controlled.... regulated and monitored...not by government though...coverage and care is just a process...lean the process and you can get the costs under control

 

[Four Suns]

I appreciate your direct and honest point of view – exactly what I’m getting at. How dare people have kids they can't afford or get sick when they can't pay for treatment!!

Your idea of denying education and medical care to those unable to afford it is fantastic.

Of course we become a police state with little or no individual rights in order to control the masses of the violent uneducated and sickly underclass.

A police state? I'm not suggesting that. You are. I think everyone has rights... to succeed without the government taking it away... and fail without the government getting in the way.

Dude... I've slept on concrete floors, lived in several mobile homes, didn't know what I was going to do for a meal the next day... so don't lecture me on some kind of BS "rights" and make the statements you have. I am the underclass. I've been motivated in my life because no one was there to bail me out and provide a safety net.... I see kids today think it's their "right" to have a safety net. It's not.

I think the government should provide temporary assistance for people and provide opportunities for advancement. But that's it... I don't think this country has 4M people that are sickly.

Have you ever noticed how a child can fail a math class and say it's too hard but can kill 1000 zombies in X-Box in 4 minutes flat? If they had to solve a math problem before they could kill zombies in a video game, they would be doing calculus by the 8th grade.

 

[Pseudomind]

"Work hard and pay your own way" is a noble idea but not practical.

Unless you advocate non-insured/under insured people being refused medical care they cannot afford.

As an example - let's say a 9 year old boy is diagnosed with cancer and is uninsured. What should we do in this country? Let him die without treatment? If he's treated, the hospital will take the loss and charge everyone more in order to spread out the costs.

So we are all paying for the uninsured anyway, it would be less expense to give them a basic package the includes cost-saving preventive care.

I think we're fighting against the idea that some will get "something for nothing" or without hard work. These are strong ideals from our country's history. If we can get beyond that, we'll realize it's just cheaper for all of us to provide some basic care for everyone.

Surely you jest! I have not heard of any system (...Ocracy, and for sure monarchy, dictatorships etc.) yet on this planet which were able to exist as a utopia, There Will always be someone who has shovel sh!t and someone who tells whom to do the sh!t shoveling.

So you now have free medical coverage.. lets see you can now make an appointment, so you can really get a chance to come in and make an appointment to see a doctor

What good does obtaining an appointment for an MRI brain scan, do if a tumor needs to be removed now, but the earliest appointment for an MRI is eight months out? Four months after you are dead.

Don't believe it happens today then talk to some Canadians, and other nationalities who come to the USA for medical treatment.

 

[Four Suns]

Here... I'll even show my liberal side. The OP slips in these little zingers of "people losing health care and their houses being foreclosed on" etc... and I'll say I'm all for people having a safety net that were working, have a house, have insurance, etc. If someone was working for ten years and lost their job (and insurance, etc), I have no problem with the government providing payments on the COBRA for 18 months and even higher unemployment, house payments, etc. to get that person back to work. But we don't do that... we have the feeling that if someone was making 100K/year then tough sh!t and they can lose it all. That's wrong... the government has a vested interest to get that person back to making $100K+ and paying taxes.... instead, we'll let them lose their house so we can pay some dumb ass woman to have 8 kids in the slums as that's "fair"...

I have no problem with temp "safety nets" that give people time and opportunity to continue on with their careers/jobs but I have an issue with government run "I have a right to anything someone working harder than me has" attitude.

Shoot... Health insurance wasn't even around until the 1940's (en mass). What did they do before that? Was it a right?

I think car insurance should be a right... afterall, we can't function without a car... maybe a car should be a right as well... and free plane tickets... and plasma TVs...