Guns in Canada

[Captsteve427]

The real impact would be the foreign adversaries mobilizing to take what the US in the name of democracy, sovereignty, and security protects due to the loss of focus by the US.

This describes a movie we recently watched called “Leave The World Behind” with Julia Robert’s and Kevin Bacon. It really gets you thinking.

 

[Captsteve427]

I'll add further that you might say - well a state like Texas tends to end up red in a national election so doesn't it end up balancing out? So let's look at blue areas like Austin - were they represented with their electoral vote? The answer is of course not.
But one can also see the impetus to drive people living in rural areas into the cities and cities annexing rural areas which is masked as environmental stewardship. There is a growing movement to challenge the electoral college; so reducing rural population will counter such a challenge.

Don’t forget the influx of illegal immigrants that will effect the electoral votes and redistricting in many cites.

 

[RichieRitz]

10 pages of morons feeding on their own absolute bullshit. Happens in a lot of forums lately. Vocal minority, criticizing the very democracy that allows it to flap its gums..civil war, revolution, guns across the borders. Are you listening Homeland Security?

 

[Skybolt]

10 pages of morons feeding on their own absolute bullshit. Happens in a lot of forums lately. Vocal minority, criticizing the very democracy that allows it to flap its gums..civil war, revolution, guns across the borders. Are you listening Homeland Security?

Perhaps you should go somewhere else and post your BS there. The only moron I see here is you.

 

[Flyer5]

10 pages of morons feeding on their own absolute bullshit. Happens in a lot of forums lately. Vocal minority, criticizing the very democracy that allows it to flap its gums..civil war, revolution, guns across the borders. Are you listening Homeland Security?

The keyboard warrior replies again.

 

[Flyer5]

Perhaps you should go somewhere else and post your BS there. The only moron I see here is you.

Agree. He is a moron.

 

[highslice]

10 pages of morons feeding on their own absolute bullshit. Happens in a lot of forums lately. Vocal minority, criticizing the very democracy that allows it to flap its gums..civil war, revolution, guns across the borders. Are you listening Homeland Security?

Wow, you got us you iProf wannabe.

 

[Pirate Lady]

This describes a movie we recently watched called “Leave The World Behind” with Julia Robert’s and Kevin Bacon. It really gets you thinking.

Ya, gets me thinking there is no way Im watching any movie with Julia Roberts.

 

[Captsteve427]

Ya, gets me thinking there is no way Im watching any movie with Julia Roberts.
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Hey lady…. Didn’t know you did actor reviews. Don’t be as stubborn as the mule in the picture. I’m not a big fan either, but I liked her in this movie because the character she plays hates people. It’s a trait I can relate to.

 

[Pirate Lady]

Hey lady…. Didn’t know you did actor reviews. Don’t be as stubborn as the mule in the picture. I’m not a big fan either, but I liked her in this movie because the character she plays hates people. It’s a trait I can relate to.

Sorry, I don’t like her, never have. My opinion.

 

[Flyer5]

Hey lady…. Didn’t know you did actor reviews. Don’t be as stubborn as the mule in the picture. I’m not a big fan either, but I liked her in this movie because the character she plays hates people. It’s a trait I can relate to.

I've always said I hate everyone. There are some people I just hate less.

 

[Woody]

All the ones I know soil themselves when I bring one of mine out. Makes it easy to clear them out of the house when I'm tired of them.

Ummm, problem is some folks that you don't mind they come to your party...well, they get scared off too, crouched low, pushing their wives ahead, hollering go-go-go...that's the last you see of them, they don't come anymore... I miss some of those guys.

 

[highslice]

Ummm, problem is some folks that you don't mind they come to your party...well, they get scared off too, crouched low, pushing their wives ahead, hollering go-go-go...that's the last you see of them, they don't come anymore... I miss some of those guys.

Well, nobody that I like to hang with has a problem with, or irrational fear of, guns.

 

[keokie]

A few responses, not really disagreeing but adding my views.

- Hitler was elected by a population that immediately became defenseless against him... in significant part because they were unarmed.
Most Germans supported Hitler because he was able to pander to their base views which were elitist and racist at the time. They did not realize what they had elected until it was far to late and it was not because they were unarmed.

Not really. Hitler lost massive amounts of support very early. But he did rule with an iron fist and the brownshirts. I would suggest two very good books "The Hitler Conspiracies" and "Hitler's Willing Executioners". These books give both sides of the story about who supported and who opposed Hitler in Germany. The country was pretty evenly divided, but guess which side had all the guns?

- Rebels in what became America overthrew the world's largest super power at the time. They brought their guns to Bunker Hill. True. Taxation without representation.

- The idea that 1-6 was an insurrection has always been absolutely laugh out loud funny to me. They tried. It was a failed insurrection because they were a bunch of morons. A robber who gets stopped dead by a shopkeeper is still a robber even if they aren’t alive to walk out with any stolen goods.

It absolutely was not an insurrection. What actions did the protestors/rioters take that they could possibly have thought would have toppled the government? They were petitioning the government to address their grievance that they believed the election was stolen. They wanted action from their government. They were not trying to topple it.

Yelling at the banker and throwing the papers off their desk for not giving you a loan due to discriminatory practices does not make you an attempted bank robber.

- The prosecution of those who protested as "insurrectionists" brings me to tears. It also terrifies me. I'm shocked the courts have allowed this to take place. They broke the law. If BLM activists did exactly what the 1-6 morons did at the Capital you would want them hanged or shot.

No, no, and NO. What have I revealed about myself that would make you think I would want BLM protesters hanged or shot? Read my posts here on CSR about supporting the efforts to return Britney Griner, even though I detest her political beliefs.

Many BLM protestors should have been charged for arson, assault, and trespassing, but there was no federal effort to do so. Not even in Portland where there were numerous serious attempts to fire bomb a federal courthouse. Nor in Seattle (CHAZ) where something like six blocks were forcefully (armed) taken and held. Police were prohibited, and numerous serious and violent felonies were committed.

But there is a MASSIVE federal investigation and prosecution campaign of average folks who committed no violent acts, but walked inside the capitol ushered in by the Capitol Police. Countless Americans have sat in jail waiting to be charged with ridiculous crimes. Oh, but not Ray Epps. He was caught on film repeatedly instructing/encouraging violence, and the entry into the Capitol. The authorities are not interested in him for some reason that they still won't say.

- It is pretty noteworthy that the citizens involved in this "insurrection" in a country with an incredibly well-armed citizenry... didn't think they would need a any of their guns to violently overthrow the world's greatest super power. Yep, they came to D.C. with no weapons all, and expected storming into the capital and turning over Nancy Pelosi's lectern would b topple the government. So then you think it’s ok if the left wing wack jobs to do exactly the same if Trump wins in November? Is that really what you think is acceptable? Give me a break.

They already did.

There were numerous big riots in several cities after Trump was elected in 2016. They were claiming Trump stole the election with the help of Putin, and demanded he be removed from office. Hillary said the election was stolen and Trump was an illegitimate president. If you were unaware of that, check some other news sources. There is plenty of video to view. No mention of insurrection by the Feds, though.

- I have no idea what would happen if there were a real insurrection in the U.S. I certainly hope it won't happen in the lifetime of myself or anyone I love. It's hard to see how the government could maintain any real level of order over an honestly unwilling population. It's also hard to see how any other government could rise up. And even if it did, it could likely be more tyrannical. Mostly, I think the fight would lead to mass chaos and suffering of the likes this country has never seen including the Civil War. I absolutely agree. And that’s why prosecuting 1-6 participants that went too far is so important to maintain law and order.

'went too far'? What would have been the right amount of far?

If 10 people showed up in DC and forced their way into the Capitol, would we have called it an insurrection? What made it scary was the shear number of people that showed up. But that does not make any one individual any more guilty. Nobody knew who else would show up or what they would do when they got there. Certain politicians, bureaucrats, and media use the 'scary' of the size of that crowd to sell the story that the protestors were there to overthrow a government.

Again, they came with no weapons, and there was no plan. The people in that massive crowd came to yell at their government, not topple it.

- I hope there is a way to get back the great freedoms we have lost in America. What freedoms do you want back. Specifically. I hear people talk about that but seldom hear anyone articulate what they want and why it is so important.

- I'd like people to be able to deposit or withdraw more than 10K in cash. And I'd like people to be able to make two deposits of $5K in cash in the same month without running the risk of being charged with 'structuring'.

- I'd like people to be able to travel with cash and not have to worry that a LEO can confiscate it, and that jurisdiction can keep the money under the assumption they got it from a drug deal, without even charging them, let alone getting a conviction. (Forbes and other smaller media have covered this problem well for years. See Civil Asset Forfeiture).

- I'd like people to be secure in their person, place, and things. Right now the government gets this very information from 3rd parties without a warrant. The Constitution guarantees that we are 'secure' in these things, not merely that the government won't take it directly from them.

- I'd like people to be free to express their political views on social media without the government pressuring those companies to silence certain people.

- I'd like healthy people to be able to be in public places without having to wear a mask when bureaucrats and politicians get scared or need a political issue.

- I'd like small business owners to be treated the same way and granted the same rights as big businesses. I cite the disparity between how Was-Mart, Home Depot, The Airlines, etc were treated vs the local hardware store, gym, or beauty shop during COVID.

- I'd like people to have the freedom to examine all government documents except those that can truly and honestly be kept private for national security. Right now, billions of documents are classified simply to protect bureaucrats.

Those are just a quick few of the freedoms I'd like to see returned.

- I have read intelligent ideas about how this might happen, and I even have some of my own ideas. Nothing seems remotely sure, or even likely to me.

- Our founders recognized the human soul yearns to be free and that is our natural state. I agree, and I really hope that will be a fountain that can produce peace, harmony, and freedom. True.



Good explanation. Thank you. So is it a broken system then? Is it outdated and needs revision or amendment?

Outdated? Of course not. Individual rights, justice, and freedoms don't expire. And not at all broken. Simply not followed.

Regardless, if the electorate makes a decision and you don’t like the outcome, then you have to live with it and work on convincing more people to vote your way the next time. that’s how democracy works.

Well that is true. But what if there is electoral cheating? Or the voting system is ripe for fraud, and there are bunches of anomalies all in one direction?

Also, our founders did not set up a democracy. And people commonly note the representative republic thing. It is clear by the writings of the founders that the representative republic thing was only a tool to create a government by the people, of the people, and for the people. It was intended to have checks and balances to protect the rights of the INDIVIDUAL. Individual rights. That was the goal. You were not to lose your right to free speech, etc. even if the rest of the country thought you should.

By the way, our Canadian system does not have an electoral college system but there is not pure proportional representation either. It’s not a simple majority here either. Different system but similar effect.

I appreciate your polite articulation of your thoughts. I endeavor to do the same.

 

[Creekwood]

Not really. Hitler lost massive amounts of support very early. But he did rule with an iron fist and the brownshirts. I would suggest two very good books "The Hitler Conspiracies" and "Hitler's Willing Executioners". These books give both sides of the story about who supported and who opposed Hitler in Germany. The country was pretty evenly divided, but guess which side had all the guns?

It absolutely was not an insurrection. What actions did the protestors/rioters take that they could possibly have thought would have toppled the government? They were petitioning the government to address their grievance that they believed the election was stolen. They wanted action from their government. They were not trying to topple it.

Yelling at the banker and throwing the papers off their desk for not giving you a loan due to discriminatory practices does not make you an attempted bank robber.



No, no, and NO. What have I revealed about myself that would make you think I would want BLM protesters hanged or shot? Read my posts here on CSR about supporting the efforts to return Britney Griner, even though I detest her political beliefs.

Many BLM protestors should have been charged for arson, assault, and trespassing, but there was no federal effort to do so. Not even in Portland where there were numerous serious attempts to fire bomb a federal courthouse. Nor in Seattle (CHAZ) where something like six blocks were forcefully (armed) taken and held. Police were prohibited, and numerous serious and violent felonies were committed.

But there is a MASSIVE federal investigation and prosecution campaign of average folks who committed no violent acts, but walked inside the capitol ushered in by the Capitol Police. Countless Americans have sat in jail waiting to be charged with ridiculous crimes. Oh, but not Ray Epps. He was caught on film repeatedly instructing/encouraging violence, and the entry into the Capitol. The authorities are not interested in him for some reason that they still won't say.

They already did.

There were numerous big riots in several cities after Trump was elected in 2016. They were claiming Trump stole the election with the help of Putin, and demanded he be removed from office. Hillary said the election was stolen and Trump was an illegitimate president. If you were unaware of that, check some other news sources. There is plenty of video to view. No mention of insurrection by the Feds, though.

'went too far'? What would have been the right amount of far?

If 10 people showed up in DC and forced their way into the Capitol, would we have called it an insurrection? What made it scary was the shear number of people that showed up. But that does not make any one individual any more guilty. Nobody knew who else would show up or what they would do when they got there. Certain politicians, bureaucrats, and media use the 'scary' of the size of that crowd to sell the story that the protestors were there to overthrow a government.

Again, they came with no weapons, and there was no plan. The people in that massive crowd came to yell at their government, not topple it.



- I'd like people to be able to deposit or withdraw more than 10K in cash. And I'd like people to be able to make two deposits of $5K in cash in the same month without running the risk of being charged with 'structuring'.

- I'd like people to be able to travel with cash and not have to worry that a LEO can confiscate it, and that jurisdiction can keep the money under the assumption they got it from a drug deal, without even charging them, let alone getting a conviction. (Forbes and other smaller media have covered this problem well for years. See Civil Asset Forfeiture).

- I'd like people to be secure in their person, place, and things. Right now the government gets this very information from 3rd parties without a warrant. The Constitution guarantees that we are 'secure' in these things, not merely that the government won't take it directly from them.

- I'd like people to be free to express their political views on social media without the government pressuring those companies to silence certain people.

- I'd like healthy people to be able to be in public places without having to wear a mask when bureaucrats and politicians get scared or need a political issue.

- I'd like small business owners to be treated the same way and granted the same rights as big businesses. I cite the disparity between how Was-Mart, Home Depot, The Airlines, etc were treated vs the local hardware store, gym, or beauty shop during COVID.

- I'd like people to have the freedom to examine all government documents except those that can truly and honestly be kept private for national security. Right now, billions of documents are classified simply to protect bureaucrats.

Those are just a quick few of the freedoms I'd like to see returned.


Outdated? Of course not. Individual rights, justice, and freedoms don't expire. And not at all broken. Simply not followed.


Well that is true. But what if there is electoral cheating? Or the voting system is ripe for fraud, and there are bunches of anomalies all in one direction?

Also, our founders did not set up a democracy. And people commonly note the representative republic thing. It is clear by the writings of the founders that the representative republic thing was only a tool to create a government by the people, of the people, and for the people. It was intended to have checks and balances to protect the rights of the INDIVIDUAL. Individual rights. That was the goal. You were not to lose your right to free speech, etc. even if the rest of the country thought you should.

I appreciate your polite articulation of your thoughts. I endeavor to do the same.

Thank you for your civil and well articulated response. There should be more of that in the world since there is vastly more gray than there is black and white.

I still think those that participated in the violence at the capital deserve exactly what they got. The ones in jail are in jail because they broke the law. The peaceful protestors are not in jail. And that is the correct outcome too. There were both that day. And maybe not you personally, but I am 100% sure that most Republicans would want any and all BLM protestors jailed (saying hanged was inflamatory - I get it) if they were the ones engaging in the Jan 6th festivities in the Capital.

Pure proportionate representation has flaws, because it means that low population states/provinces/regions will be very unrepresented. Its a balancing act though. You go too far and you have the government elected that was not voted for by a significant majority of the people. Then you get laws/policies that most people disagree with. And you have the opportunity for government to jerrymander political voting districts to gain power. Or to push money to districts that vote their way, despite their proportionate voting. We see that in Canada all the time, where the Atlantic provinces have very low population, but because of provincial rights set out in Confederation, they have a disproportionate number of government seats. Trudeau is playing the game now by dropping the carbon tax (that they put in!) in Atlantic Canada, hoping to gain some more Liberal seats and stay in power next election. Similar things happen in the US. That shit doesn't work as easily when there is proportionate representation.

 

[keokie]

Thank you for your civil and well articulated response. There should be more of that in the world since there is vastly more gray than there is black and white.

I still think those that participated in the violence at the capital deserve exactly what they got. The ones in jail are in jail because they broke the law. The peaceful protestors are not in jail. And that is the correct outcome too. There were both that day. And maybe not you personally, but I am 100% sure that most Republicans would want any and all BLM protestors jailed (saying hanged was inflamatory - I get it) if they were the ones engaging in the Jan 6th festivities in the Capital.

Pure proportionate representation has flaws, because it means that low population states/provinces/regions will be very unrepresented. Its a balancing act though. You go too far and you have the government elected that was not voted for by a significant majority of the people. Then you get laws/policies that most people disagree with. And you have the opportunity for government to jerrymander political voting districts to gain power. Or to push money to districts that vote their way, despite their proportionate voting. We see that in Canada all the time, where the Atlantic provinces have very low population, but because of provincial rights set out in Confederation, they have a disproportionate number of government seats. Trudeau is playing the game now by dropping the carbon tax (that they put in!) in Atlantic Canada, hoping to gain some more Liberal seats and stay in power next election. Similar things happen in the US. That shit doesn't work as easily when there is proportionate representation.

Yep, Creekwood, I appreciate your civil tone and well-reasoned arguments as well. Don't have to agree with someone on everything to like them. You and I clearly differ on some important issues, but I'd have a beer with you and chat for hours to find where we do agree and see if I might learn something where we differ. Cheers.

 

[highslice]

Yep, Creekwood, I appreciate your civil tone and well-reasoned arguments as well. Don't have to agree with someone on everything to like them. You and I clearly differ on some important issues, but I'd have a beer with you and chat for hours to find where we do agree and see if I might learn something where we differ. Cheers.

True this. I try to be civil on this board (sometimes hard with a few people on the Trump thread, but I try) and appreciate the way you two do. I would be happy to meet anyone on this board for beers, or good bourbon. If everyone agreed, this place would be very boring.

 

[Chris90!]

How long before they outlaw knives?!

Hopefully soon. I have one knife which is a safety knife onboard my boat if I need it, otherwise, what’s the point‍?

 

[Chris90!]

It was all @RichieRitz and @Chris90!'s fault.

 

[Chris90!]

This sounds like a utopian dream!! With your porous shores being invaded and arrests for posting incorrect pronouns on social media, what could go wrong on the little island of yours? Sounds like the UK has both our 1st and 2nd amendments covered.

Where to start? Brexit, inflation, unemployment, high taxes, cost of living. We have everything else apart from guns…