Got Fox Gateway and Axiom?

[John E3]

Finally in the water and looking at the Axiom and Fox MEFI-3 gateways. By default the Dashboard only has rpm, oil and temp. Many more details are available from the gateway. I've watched a bunch of Raymarine videos on this, but I can't seem find how to enable other data. All I can do is hide existing.
Am I missing something? Any pointers to detailed customizations?
The critical part I want is fuel usage and tank level updates. I know it can do this, but can't find it! It won't allow defining 2 tanks, blank screen and nop refresh button.
Thanks

 

[Golfman25]

I love my fox gateways. Sorry can’t help with the axiom. My Garmin popped right up with twin engine data. But still working on refinement of everything

 

[Skybolt]

@dtfeld Dave may be able to help you out. He has the Axiom setup for his diesels.

 

[Stee6043]

I don't think you can integrate fuel tank levels on the Fox units without adding sensors to the tanks. I believe you can, however, manually update the tank levels to show full when you fill up and it will calculate your tank levels based on consumption.

Are your fuel gauges not working?

This is how I run mine.

 

[John E3]

I don't think you can integrate fuel tank levels on the Fox units without adding sensors to the tanks. I believe you can, however, manually update the tank levels to show full when you fill up and it will calculate your tank levels based on consumption.

Are your fuel gauges not working?

This is how I run mine.

Yes, this is correct as I understand it. The Fox gateways output fuel consumption and the MFD will decrement the fuel level. But, it won't let me define the fuel tanks.
I replaced both senders, 1 dead, 1 off, and measured tank levels at the time. Pre-launch run time and time to slip then to gas dock up the creek will use some, but I will know what to put in each tank to fill it. Then I could set the tank levels in the MFD, once I figure it out.

@Golfman25 what Fox version do you have? Mine are MEFI-3.

 

[Stee6043]

Yes, this is correct as I understand it. The Fox gateways output fuel consumption and the MFD will decrement the fuel level. But, it won't let me define the fuel tanks.
I replaced both senders, 1 dead, 1 off, and measured tank levels at the time. Pre-launch run time and time to slip then to gas dock up the creek will use some, but I will know what to put in each tank to fill it. Then I could set the tank levels in the MFD, once I figure it out.

@Golfman25 what Fox version do you have? Mine are MEFI-3.

I believe you would set the defaults with the app, not the MFD.

At any rate, I wouldn't rely on the Fox fuel levels as they are a calculation only, not actual. And I thought all of us established how much fuel we need by sticking our ears to our the fuel fill? Should not require any math of any kind...

 

[John E3]

I believe you would set the defaults with the app, not the MFD.

At any rate, I wouldn't rely on the Fox fuel levels as they are a calculation only, not actual. And I thought all of us established how much fuel we need by sticking our ears to our the fuel fill? Should not require any math of any kind...

The Fox Gateway outputs ACTUAL fuel consumption as reported by the MEFI. The are no "app defaults" that I know of. There are a few features you can do with bluetooth/app connection to the gateway, but is unrelated to setting the MFD to report fuel usage and tank levels.

MEFI outputs as specified by Fox:
Engine RPM
Fuel Flow Rate
Coolant Temperature
Alternator/Battery Voltage
Engine Run Hours
Throttle Position (Engine Load)
certain Active Alarms
Oil Pressure (add on)

The Axiom default page for the Engine has RPM, OP & Temp shown, but Voltage is blank. I'm still trying to find all the other data points to display them. I'm missing something on how to find them. I had a power pack connected to the Axiom so I could play with it at home over the winter, but now it's installed so I can only play on the boat. I think I read somewhere that only the things which have data available can be accessed. I think this applies to tanks.

Even after spending over $800 for the gateways & OP addons, they still want $4.99 for their app.

 

[Golfman25]

Yes, this is correct as I understand it. The Fox gateways output fuel consumption and the MFD will decrement the fuel level. But, it won't let me define the fuel tanks.
I replaced both senders, 1 dead, 1 off, and measured tank levels at the time. Pre-launch run time and time to slip then to gas dock up the creek will use some, but I will know what to put in each tank to fill it. Then I could set the tank levels in the MFD, once I figure it out.

@Golfman25 what Fox version do you have? Mine are MEFI-3.

MEFI-2

 

[Stee6043]

The Fox Gateway outputs ACTUAL fuel consumption as reported by the MEFI. The are no "app defaults" that I know of. There are a few features you can do with bluetooth/app connection to the gateway, but is unrelated to setting the MFD to report fuel usage and tank levels.

MEFI outputs as specified by Fox:
Engine RPM
Fuel Flow Rate
Coolant Temperature
Alternator/Battery Voltage
Engine Run Hours
Throttle Position (Engine Load)
certain Active Alarms
Oil Pressure (add on)

The Axiom default page for the Engine has RPM, OP & Temp shown, but Voltage is blank. I'm still trying to find all the other data points to display them. I'm missing something on how to find them. I had a power pack connected to the Axiom so I could play with it at home over the winter, but now it's installed so I can only play on the boat. I think I read somewhere that only the things which have data available can be accessed. I think this applies to tanks.

Even after spending over $800 for the gateways & OP addons, they still want $4.99 for their app.

From the Fox Gateway operating manual:

 

[dtfeld]

The Raymarine Engine Data App is not very customizable, one of my big gripes with Raymarine. It is really set up to work with specific engine packages, and as you have found, you really can't add more, just hide what you don't have.

The Voltage issue is a matter of matching up the display with what the gateway is transmitting. I haven't done this in a while so, I'm not that up on it. But if you get to where you can edit the engine data, you can press and hold on the Alternator Voltage or Battery Voltage, and the available options will be displayed. Try the options until you find one that works.

The issue with the Fuel levels is actually pretty easy if you want to go there. Add a pair of Maretron TLM-150 (specifically for gasoline) and you'll be able to display fuel level a bunch of different ways and access other fuel related features. You'll need a NEMA2000 network if you don't already have one. The downside of these is they need to be programmed. If you decide to do this, I'll get them programmed for you. The TLM -150, only need the depth of your tank and capacity in Gallons to figure it out. Extremely accurate.

 

[John E3]

It would appear that I am looking for Fuel/Trip Manager, not tanks. You must have a tank monitoring interface before they are recognized, it seems. I replaced both senders in the spring to make the gauges work. I could have used N2k ones. If I was doing a lot of long haul trips, and stretching the fuel between stops, then the N2k sensors make more sense.
I will see tonight what I can beat this thing into doing.

 

[dtfeld]

It would appear that I am looking for Fuel/Trip Manager, not tanks. You must have a tank monitoring interface before they are recognized, it seems. I replaced both senders in the spring to make the gauges work. I could have used N2k ones. If I was doing a lot of long haul trips, and stretching the fuel between stops, then the N2k sensors make more sense.
I will see tonight what I can beat this thing into doing.

The senders are all a standard 5 bolt pattern. The Maretron TLM-150's will bolt right up (if your have the access which is alsways an issue on SR's).

But since you just replaced, there are several manufactures that make Tank Level Adapters (Maretron and Yacht Devices) that wire into the existing mechanical senders and put your fuel level on the network, and will enable that fuel/trip manager. A little cheaper, but this also disables for fuel gauges at the helm. (you lose the analog gauges either way).

I use the tanks page almost exclusively now, as one benefits is I know exactly how much fuel I need, and never over-fill/spill into the water. Dont miss the analog gauge, and I'll never have to dig another one out of the hole its in!

 

[John E3]

As dtfeld noted, customization is not good. You cant add new objects, or replace some. Basically you can build a page with 3x3, 3x4 and fewer elements, but just numeric fields with names.
If you can find a field that has the edit option, you're in luck. Custom page, no. 8ish preset formats
Kinda like this.
Fuel mgmt detected flow rate, but gotta top off to start it.
Some is hidden deep in the lighthouse 4 500pg manual.

 

[John E3]

Looks like the latest release of Lighthouse, 4.4.87, has a couple updates on the dashboard. Seems odd they don't give more flexibility.

 

[Skybolt]

Looks like the latest release of Lighthouse, 4.4.87, has a couple updates on the dashboard. Seems odd they don't give more flexibility.

A bit too late, but Garmin is completely configurable.

Maretron has a 4" display DSM410, that is completely configurable as is the Garmin GMI20. You could add a 4" display into the mix add get what your looking for.


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[John E3]

I updated to the latest LH version last night, and the update is hung at 0 min remaining, for 12 hours.
Raymarine warns that you can't interrupt it without risk of messing it up, but clearly it's messed up already. I've seen posts that disregard this without ill effect, but I'm hesitant. I did an update shortly after getting the unit in the fall, and that went fine.
I keep reading about how great their support is, but I don't see any option to contact support. It seems to be only Q&A stuff online. Any suggestions?

 

[dtfeld]

I updated to the latest LH version last night, and the update is hung at 0 min remaining, for 12 hours.
Raymarine warns that you can't interrupt it without risk of messing it up, but clearly it's messed up already. I've seen posts that disregard this without ill effect, but I'm hesitant. I did an update shortly after getting the unit in the fall, and that went fine.
I keep reading about how great their support is, but I don't see any option to contact support. It seems to be only Q&A stuff online. Any suggestions?

A couple questions:

1. What update are you at and going to?
2. Do you have an Autopilot? Be careful, the order in which these components update is important.
3. How are you updating? Downloading via wifi/Cellular or via USB/mSD card in the back?

I have interrupted before without an issue, but would suggest that you download to a properly prepared mSD card at home and remove all other cards (Navionics/mapping). Do one update at a time. Go read the update procedure on the AP if installed, there is a specific order on some updates.

 

[John E3]

A couple questions:

1. What update are you at and going to?
2. Do you have an Autopilot? Be careful, the order in which these components update is important.
3. How are you updating? Downloading via wifi/Cellular or via USB/mSD card in the back?

I have interrupted before without an issue, but would suggest that you download to a properly prepared mSD card at home and remove all other cards (Navionics/mapping). Do one update at a time. Go read the update procedure on the AP if installed, there is a specific order on some updates.

1. The latest version, which it located via WiFi connection, 4.4.87.
2. Nothing else available to update for 2 reasons - I have no other upgradable devices and the MFD is in my living room so I can update it, and play with it.
3. WiFi via my home network, same as I did the last time.

The process located it, downloaded it, installed it with the countdown running, but never progressed beyond "Installing ... Estimated time remaining 0hr 0min". The green circle of dots on the Axiom device in the update list continues to spin.
I don't have any microSD cards to try the download method.

 

[dtfeld]

If unable to download, you may not have enough memory to download the update. They are about 1+ GB each. My recollection is that mSD card is where the update lands when downloaded. It is erased once installed.

They are cheap. 2X 32 or 64 GB are about $15. Format them to FAT32. Try to download/update again via Wi-Fi. If that doesn’t work, then download and extract the update to the card on you computer,and try that.

Leave the formatted card in the back when you install it. Better yet, buy the dual mSD card reader or the combo mSD/USB reader so you have easy access to the cards once installed. Once installed you have limited access to the card slot as its in the back of the unit.

 

[John E3]

If unable to download, you may not have enough memory to download the update. They are about 1+ GB each. My recollection is that mSD card is where the update lands when downloaded. It is erased once installed.

They are cheap. 2X 32 or 64 GB are about $15. Format them to FAT32. Try to download/update again via Wi-Fi. If that doesn’t work, then download and extract the update to the card on you computer,and try that.

Leave the formatted card in the back when you install it. Better yet, buy the dual mSD card reader or the combo mSD/USB reader so you have easy access to the cards once installed. Once installed you have limited access to the card slot as its in the back of the unit.

Yes, they are cheap. Not having one now to try was the point.
The installed one holds the Navionics charts. Don't I need that in the unit at all times?
I took my chances and power cycled it and on boot it reported the update failed.
The download was successful, and spent about 5min doing the update, but hung with 0min left