Fishing Tournament Cheaters Caught…

northshore said:
And that will never happen.

I get what your saying, but where to you draw the line?
Should someone whose boat gets stolen not worry because it's not a murder?
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I think when you buy a boat you shouldn’t have to factor into the purchase price the chance that it will be stolen so no that’s different in my mind.
However anytime you spend money to enter a sport that better be disposable income because the likelihood that you will win is pretty low so that should be factored into the decision to enter.
More importantly though if the governing body of the sport is unable to enforce their rules properly they own some responsibility there and maybe if you are going to participate in that sport you chose a different organization next time.

Same thing with cycling. The governing body was too incompetent to enforce their rules and doping ran rampant.

Lance got prosecuted because it was a way to further some prosecutors career on the coat tails of Lance’s fame.
If he hadn’t won 7 Tours and became famous as a result, prosecutors would not have been interested.
 
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Tucker K5 said:
I think when you buy a boat you shouldn’t have to factor into the purchase price the chance that it will be stolen so no that’s different in my mind.
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But a boat is disposable income.
So again, if someone steals you boat, would you say to the authorities - "That's ok, don't peruse the guys who did it, it was bought with disposable income...."
 
northshore said:
But a boat is disposable income.
So again, if someone steals you boat, would you say to the authorities - "That's ok, don't peruse the guys who did it, it was bought with disposable income...."
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The fishing tournament has a governing body.
I just think the buck stops there.
Apparently they had been incompetent themselves in enforcing their own rules for some time. That incompetence damaged their brand.

As far as boat thieves go I think we should be allowed to use deadly force on them if we catch them in the act.

My biggest deal with this is that I know people who work in criminal prosecution. They all are overwhelmed. We are losing the war on violent crime. Also the prison system is now so overcrowded that they have to release a violent criminal to put someone in.

Right here in my small town the trial is about to start for a man who bludgeoned an elderly lady to death then went across the street and bludgeoned another elderly lady to death and strangled to death her 7 year old grandson. This man was never supposed to be released from prison but he was released to make room for someone else and this is what happened.
These are the people that are being released now.

Sometimes it isn’t a matter of right or wrong but instead a lesser of evils.
 
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Here’s another thought. If criminal charges are brought and the cheaters are financially penalized the fishing organization will be lucky to recover a dime.
As a result they may end up destitute.

If the organizations sue the cheaters for every penny they’ve won in their tournaments they will be way more likely to recover a higher percentage of the money the cheaters won.

Then they could add that to their next purse and help recover some of their brand image.
 
Tucker K5 said:
My biggest deal with this is that I know people who work in criminal prosecution. They all are overwhelmed. We are losing the war on violent crime. Also the prison system is now so overcrowded that they have to release a violent criminal to put someone in.
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The prosecutor for the city of Cleveland is a family friend and yes, he is buried right now. Per capita, I think Cleveland ranks right up there with Chicago for murders and shootings. I guy I golf with, and the last attorney I ever had to use the services of is the prosecutor for one of the bigger suburbs of Cleveland and he is dealing with things I would have never imagined happening in that suburb 20 years ago. Also on the golf league is a semi pro bass fisherman. These guys have sponsors that put up travel money, equipment, and a lot of these guys are not sponsored and put up all their own money. From what the bass fisherman tells me, these guys are lucky they didn't have your solution for boat thieves happen to them. Again, I certainly get what you are saying with the state of crime and the criminal justice system shortfalls in this country - we are losing. I imagine the directors of the tournament could possibly take these guys to small claims court or something (and that would involve the legal system to an smaller extent) but beyond that, how can you get anything back for the guys that have expended money and time to participate in these events honestly?

I do like your solution for boat thieves but the question still stands, are you willing to tell the authorities not to pursue the guy who stole your boat as it was bought with expendable funds and because, pardon the pun, the authorities have bigger fish to fry? The answer to this question only requires a simple yes or no.
 
Tucker K5 said:
The fishing tournament has a governing body.
I just think the buck stops there.
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So in your logic the fraud of hundreds of thousands of dollars you just let go? We are not talking $300 prizes.

From the original article: “This year, the prize funds have increased, with the top two places in the Brawl alone worth a combined $250,000.”

I do not believe you would not press charges if an employee frauded your company of over $100,000…
 
Tucker K5 said:
Actually Lance Armstrong’s sponsors all reaped the benefits of sponsoring him before he got caught and none of them really ended up having to pay anything back. Their images weren’t tarnished as a result of his actions.
In fact who ever heard of Trek bicycles before Lance Armstrong? I’m pretty sure they benefited into the billions and actually several other manufacturers of bicycles.
Cycling in the US today is a thousand times bigger than it was before Lance’s rein and he is the primary reason. His wins were the catalyst and that business is still growing more and faster every day.
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So because lance cheated… it’s okay because alot of people made a lot of money?….. lance did pay back $5M nack to the posties…. Cheating is stealing
 
Tucker K5 said:
I have around 150 employees, have been self employed almost my entire life and I have never attempted to prosecute any employee for theft.
Definitely not that it hasn’t happened and not that ones who have stolen from me didn’t deserve it. My reasons are 3 fold.
1. I’m not going to waste taxpayer resources on my problem.
2. The time I would spend dealing with it is worth way more focused on business and going forward.
3. If they got the right lawyer and weren’t convicted of the theft they could sue my ass off.
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80 employees here and pressed charges based on intent and circumstances. I do not tolerate stealing at all and everyone k owns it…. So very infrequent
 
MonacoMike said:
So in your logic the fraud of hundreds of thousands of dollars you just let go? We are not talking $300 prizes.

From the original article: “This year, the prize funds have increased, with the top two places in the Brawl alone worth a combined $250,000.”

I do not believe you would not press charges if an employee frauded your company of over $100,000…
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I have always found it more profitable to chase the money I can make than the money I lost.
 
Wife said that is him in the broncos guru video he did today. That look on his face was like uh-oh...lol.
Not sure what he does now but he apparently moved. When he was still here she said he was working at a lawn mower sales place.
 
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