First aid kit

[Juliery]

Shoot, I guess I need to pull the SAM splints out of the first aid kits that I have on the boat and in my car. Can I still keep it in the kit I take backpacking?

A couple years ago one of our dock neighbors had a heart attack on the dock and died. Just got up from a chair after having a cocktail with the neighbors and dropped. A nurse who happened to be down the dock at the pump out responded to the commotion and started CPR, but he didn't survive.

I've thought about adding an AED.to our boat as well. When we cruise there are times where we are a couple hours from medical care and I am middle age and overweight where heart attack becomes a more significant risk. I haven't pulled the trigger yet but my wife and I have talked about the potential value.

You guys amaze me! You would rather spend money for a device that might save your lives (it only helps with ventricular fibrillation) after suffering a heart attack than losing weight and getting fit, thereby avoiding a heart attack altogether. Obesity is linked with high blood cholesterol levels, high triglyceride levels, high blood pressure and diabetes. Not only your health suffers but your quality of life is diminished. Losing just 10% of your body weight can lower this risk. Regular aerobic exercise helps not only with weight loss and improved heart health but also improves your overall physical and emotional well-being. Save your money.

 

[firecadet613]

You guys amaze me! You would rather spend money for a device that might save your lives (it only helps with ventricular fibrillation) after suffering a heart attack than losing weight and getting fit, thereby avoiding a heart attack altogether. Obesity is linked with high blood cholesterol levels, high triglyceride levels, high blood pressure and diabetes. Not only your health suffers but your quality of life is diminished. Losing just 10% of your body weight can lower this risk. Regular aerobic exercise helps not only with weight loss and improved heart health but also improves your overall physical and emotional well-being. Save your money.

12 year old boy, across the street from me, needed an AED to be brought back after he collapsed at a track meet. Now an AED goes where he goes... it's not just for the obese / unhealthy ones...

 

[Arminius]

My Mountaineers first aid courses emphasized keeping the blood in the victim until professional aid can be secured. This when it takes 20 people in relays to carry a victim out of the high woods. You've got a boat and a radio; get some competent help. Meanwhile put the bandages, tape, unsoiled gauze pads, and Ace bandages back in the kit. Would be Robinson Crusoe's!

 

[yobub]

You guys amaze me! You would rather spend money for a device that might save your lives (it only helps with ventricular fibrillation) after suffering a heart attack than losing weight and getting fit, thereby avoiding a heart attack altogether. Obesity is linked with high blood cholesterol levels, high triglyceride levels, high blood pressure and diabetes. Not only your health suffers but your quality of life is diminished. Losing just 10% of your body weight can lower this risk. Regular aerobic exercise helps not only with weight loss and improved heart health but also improves your overall physical and emotional well-being. Save your money.

Why do you assume it is an either / or?

 

[MonacoMike]

You guys amaze me! You would rather spend money for a device that might save your lives (it only helps with ventricular fibrillation) after suffering a heart attack than losing weight and getting fit, thereby avoiding a heart attack altogether. Obesity is linked with high blood cholesterol levels, high triglyceride levels, high blood pressure and diabetes. Not only your health suffers but your quality of life is diminished. Losing just 10% of your body weight can lower this risk. Regular aerobic exercise helps not only with weight loss and improved heart health but also improves your overall physical and emotional well-being. Save your money.

Are we not allowed to have guests or dock mates that may need them? But thanks for the fitness tips,you finally added something useful to the discussion…

 

[MonacoMike]

That was fiction, Mike. This is fact:
As of 2020, insurance industry actuaries determined that over a 20 year period, driving a boat is many times safer than driving a car. In fact, boat operators have proven to be 30 times less likely to die in a boating accident than vehicle drivers are to die in a crash. In recent years, boating has actually become even safer.

You clearly are missing the point of the thread. Not sure what relevance driving a car or boat has to first aid kits.

 

[HawkX66]

Are we not allowed to have guests or dock mates that may need them? But thanks for the fitness tips,you finally added something useful to the discussion…

I saw a lot of holes in this thread that Mike was obviously getting crap from. What a surprise when I took a peek. Juliery and tc410. The first two knuckleheads to meet my ignore button lol
I was an EMT and I'd love it if I came on scene as a civilian to find supplies I could use. Scoflaw, I usually like your posts, but damn... Give me a break. No pun intended. You're thrashing Mike for being over prepared with a med kit? Apparently nobody has read of a prop strike with water skiers etc. How about being available with equipment to help another vessel?
I pulled six people off a sinking boat while watching fireworks off Hampton Beach about 10-15 years ago. By the time I got to them the water was up over the helm. They were flying across the mouth of Hampton Harbor on a 40 footer or so where there are a ton of rocks. Guess what? The Rock Captain nailed one hard. A serious kit would have been seriously handy, but I was on my brother's boat and he was lucky to have bandaids... Just like why I carry firearms and fire extinguishers. Not if, but when I need it they'll hopefully be there.

 

[sbw1]

A couple years ago one of our dock neighbors had a heart attack on the dock and died. Just got up from a chair after having a cocktail with the neighbors and dropped. A nurse who happened to be down the dock at the pump out responded to the commotion and started CPR, but he didn't survive.

What a perfect way to go! It would be a shame to spoil perfection by having a well equipped first aide kit on board.

 

[Juliery]

Are we not allowed to have guests or dock mates that may need them? But thanks for the fitness tips,you finally added something useful to the discussion…

AED's have been over- hyped. They are certainly effective when used immediately, in combination with competent CPR. If the SCA is due to a clot from arterial plaque, they are of no use. If not used immediately, chances of welcome survival drop rapidly with every passing minute. I say "welcome" because after 3 minutes you are increasingly likely to suffer long-term brain and organ damage. AED's also require regular maintenance. Untrained people are slow to identify SCA events, may not be able to provide effective CPR and then must find the AED, get it to the patient, remove clothing, attach the 2 electrodes and put it into operation - within 3 minutes!

Of course Hawk, the EMT would know this.

 

[Juliery]

I saw a lot of holes in this thread that Mike was obviously getting crap from. What a surprise when I took a peek. Juliery and tc410. The first two knuckleheads to meet my ignore button lol
I was an EMT and I'd love it if I came on scene as a civilian to find supplies I could use. Scoflaw, I usually like your posts, but damn... Give me a break. No pun intended. You're thrashing Mike for being over prepared with a med kit? Apparently nobody has read of a prop strike with water skiers etc. How about being available with equipment to help another vessel?
I pulled six people off a sinking boat while watching fireworks off Hampton Beach about 10-15 years ago. By the time I got to them the water was up over the helm. They were flying across the mouth of Hampton Harbor on a 40 footer or so where there are a ton of rocks. Guess what? The Rock Captain nailed one hard. A serious kit would have been seriously handy, but I was on my brother's boat and he was lucky to have bandaids... Just like why I carry firearms and fire extinguishers. Not if, but when I need it they'll hopefully be there.

Neither TC410 nor I criticized Mike for his prudent advice to have current first aid skills and an appropriate kit. We did provide a reality check for his exaggerated contention that:

"Boating is one of the most dangerous activities one can partake in and it is also one of the least accessable to first responders."

 

[MonacoMike]

Neither TC410 nor I criticized Mike for his prudent advice to have current first aid skills and an appropriate kit. We did provide a reality check for his exaggerated contention that:

"Boating is one of the most dangerous activities one can partake in and it is also one of the least accessable to first responders."

Let’s flesh this out. What recreational activities can one partake in that are more dangerous than boating? What activities push boating down the list?

This is not about insurance claims, a poor metric for the measurement we are discussing, which is about situations requiring first aid or first responders, which would be unlikely to result in a claim on the boat insurance. (Example, son Johnny falls on the boat and breaks arm, family health insurance gets the bill, not boat insurance.)

 

[scoflaw]

MM you trolled this exact same subject some years back with the same responses. Why again?
Your not going to change anybody's methods. Give it up.

 

[Juliery]

Let’s flesh this out. What recreational activities can one partake in that are more dangerous than boating? What activities push boating down the list?

This is not about insurance claims, a poor metric for the measurement we are discussing, which is about situations requiring first aid or first responders, which would be unlikely to result in a claim on the boat insurance. (Example, son Johnny falls on the boat and breaks arm, family health insurance gets the bill, not boat insurance.)

Okay, by ER visits, then. More dangerous than boating?
ATV's
Diving
Wakeboarding
Cycling
Skiing and boarding
Baseball
Football
Hockey
...and dozens more.
You apparently don't do much, Mike.

 

[MonacoMike]

MM you trolled this exact same subject some years back with the same responses. Why again?
Your not going to change anybody's methods. Give it up.

Can’t come up with an answer? Put you money where your mouth is. Just what is so much more dangerous than boating?
Knowledge is power, recognizing the dangers of an activity is not fear, but prudent management of situations.

 

[scoflaw]

Okay, by ER visits, then. More dangerous than boating?
ATV's
Diving
Wakeboarding
Cycling
Skiing and boarding
Baseball
Football
Hockey
...and dozens more.
You apparently don't do much, Mike.

But the man can troll LOL. Obviously bored

 

[tc410]

….Juliery and tc410. The first two knuckleheads to meet my ignore button lol...

Gotta love the cancel culture…. Buh-bye

 

[tc410]

Neither TC410 nor I criticized Mike for his prudent advice to have current first aid skills and an appropriate kit. We did provide a reality check for his exaggerated contention that:

"Boating is one of the most dangerous activities one can partake in and it is also one of the least accessable to first responders."

Actually I wasn’t saying anything negative about first aid kits, but the Karen’s on here got their panties in a bundle anyway… try some midol ladies.

My only post was to lament on how sideways this entire topic went years ago and noticing how one page in it was already going sideways this time too.

Todays CSR snowflakes tend to shoot accusations without even reading what I wrote, or reading their own insecurities into what I wrote. It’s the same few entitled “know-it-alls” that try to dominate practically every thread on here on with their misguided rhetoric.

 

[scoflaw]

Actually I wasn’t saying anything negative about first aid kits, but the Karen’s on here got their panties in a bundle anyway… try some midol ladies.

My only post was to lament on how sideways this entire topic went years ago and noticing how one page in it was already going sideways this time too.

Todays CSR snowflakes tend to shoot accusations without even reading what I wrote, or reading there own insecurities into what I wrote. It’s the same few entitled “know-it-alls” that try to dominate practically every thread on here on with their misguided rhetoric.

Agree and don't forget you can hit the "ignore" button if another member has a different point of view.

 

[tc410]

Agree and don't forget you can hit the "ignore" button if another member has a different point of view.

Nah…. No cancel culture for me. That’s for the little girls on here that can’t handle a different opinion or point of view. Besides, if I canceled them where else would I find the entertainment I get from their ridiculous posts fraught with fear, denial, paranoia and drama?

 

[MonacoMike]

Okay, by ER visits, then. More dangerous than boating?
ATV's
Diving
Wakeboarding
Cycling
Skiing and boarding
Baseball
Football
Hockey
...and dozens more.
You apparently don't do much, Mike.

Really? That’s your list? BTW, I said “one of the most”. Yes each has their own risk set but boating has similar to almost every one you listed.

I would suggest that each of those would need first aid kits tailored for their risks.

Now to your list. Diving and wakeboarding are a part of boating, hard to do without a boat and need a kit customized for them. ATV’s have some similarities, particularly the remote nature of the activity but scale is so much smaller. Bicycling, not usually that remote as most is done on roads but even the remote mountain biking doesn’t have the mix of danger boating has. Skiing and boarding are also remote but again lack the mix of danger on a boat.

Not sure what is so dangerous about recreational baseball, football, and hockey.

Just because boaters do a good job mitigating the risks and avoid ER visits (which I doubt anyone keeps stats on whether a broken arm was on a boat) does not mean they do not exist…

What is dangerous about boating? (May not apply to every type of vessel.)

Tanks of flammable liquids.
Banks of lead acid batteries.
Electric wiring over water.
Hot engines.
Props
Odd transitions from docks and piers.
Uneven decks with
Narrow odd stairs to cabins or bridges.
Boats are always moving from wake or currents.
Slick decks.
CO dangers.
Sharp corners on windshield openings.
Docking.
Remote nature away from first responders.
Launching.
Heavy equipment fro trailering.

Just off the top of my head…