Electoral Vote Prediction

Iprof said:
A lot of what you quoted is not true. It is folk lore from the internet.
He did increase the nation debt by over 7 trillion the most in any 4 year term.

Nothing changes the fact that he lost and the first post was the closest to the final electoral vote.
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I didn't say anything about the national debt or the election.

What's not true?
 
Woody said:
I didn't say anything about the national debt or the election.

What's not true?
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You should have they're his accomplishments.
The info you did a cut and paste on has been fact checked and as they flagged it mostly false does not make it true now.
 
Iprof said:
You should have they're his accomplishments.
The info you did a cut and paste on has been fact checked and as they flagged it mostly false does not make it true now.
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The only thing I cut and pasted is from the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts. You calling them a liar?

What's with this stupid 'mostly false' crap? Is that like 'mostly peaceful'?

What did I say that isn't true? Come on man, spit it out.
 
Woody said:
The only thing I cut and pasted is from the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts. You calling them a liar?

What's with this stupid 'mostly false' crap? Is that like 'mostly peaceful'?

What did I say that isn't true? Come on man, spit it out.
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What you said about Trump and the B girl is a lie plain and simple you did a cut and paste from the internet for starters.
 
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Woody said:
I didn't say anything about the national debt or the election.

What's not true?
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It’s called moving the goal posts. A Liberal debate tactic. Instead of replying, “I didn’t know that”, “thanks for the information”, “I stand corrected”, or “that may be true but Orange Man still bad”, they just change the subject...
 
OllieC said:
It’s called moving the goal posts. A Liberal debate tactic. Instead of replying, “I didn’t know that”, “thanks for the information”, “I stand corrected”, or “that may be true but Orange Man still bad”, they just change the subject...
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I guess that could be it but I wonder. His weird posts are just a waste of words. I'm beginning to think he really doesn't have both oars in the water.:rolleyes:
 
OllieC said:
It’s called moving the goal posts. A Liberal debate tactic. Instead of replying, “I didn’t know that”, “thanks for the information”, “I stand corrected”, or “that may be true but Orange Man still bad”, they just change the subject...
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Right. Then there's "what about Hillary's email?", "what about Hunter Biden?", or "OBAMAGATE!!".
 
Woody said:
Donald Trump has never filed personal bankruptcy but a few of the 500-600 Trump Organization business entities have. Some folks think this shows that he is a total failure in life, that he isn't very intelligent....now that's a dumb thought.

Yup, I'm referring to 'The Donald'. The guy with no political experience whatsoever that took on all comers, fought off all foes Rep and Dem to become POTUS. Even his critics secretly marvel at his intuitiveness, he understood the people he was about to represent, he could feel the pulse of the nation, something the professionals on Capitol Hill had long before become numb to.

So 'The Donald' became 'The President. What a guy, boundless energy. I wonder what more he could have accomplished if one arm wasn't always occupied fencing with his enemy's, known and anonymous, often one in the same.

So what if he filed bankruptcy, that high risk ventures could fail during the Great Recession. He's a billionaire, he sleeps naked with a super model, and made himself the POTUS because he wanted to. Not many folks have that level of success.

Speaking of bankruptcy, here are some stats from the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts. Like unemployment
rates this is another indicator of positive change during the Trump years.


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I wouldn't get too sanguine about bankruptcies stemming from 2020 yet. First, the data table you cite is only through March, before any impact could have hit the bankruptcy courts.
Here's an article forecasting a potentially more dire result on the bankruptcy front:
After The Covid-19 Deluge, A Bankruptcy Tidal Wave?
"The number of people filing for bankruptcy could set records next year. And, while bankruptcy reform artificially spurred the 2005 record of nearly 2.1 million cases filed, this peak will be all about the reality of a Covid-19-blasted economy. That’s a bankruptcy tidal wave of a different color."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adviso...luge-a-bankruptcy-tidal-wave/?sh=6cd5a5624aba
 
alnav said:
I wouldn't get too sanguine about bankruptcies stemming from 2020 yet. First, the data table you cite is only through March, before any impact could have hit the bankruptcy courts.
Here's an article forecasting a potentially more dire result on the bankruptcy front:
After The Covid-19 Deluge, A Bankruptcy Tidal Wave?
"The number of people filing for bankruptcy could set records next year. And, while bankruptcy reform artificially spurred the 2005 record of nearly 2.1 million cases filed, this peak will be all about the reality of a Covid-19-blasted economy. That’s a bankruptcy tidal wave of a different color."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adviso...luge-a-bankruptcy-tidal-wave/?sh=6cd5a5624aba
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I agree, the next report will likely be less rosey.

I could see the report went only through March, made pretty clear in the heading above each one. I'm wondering ....why ignore the reports, they give another perspective, all positive for the country, something that rated much news coverage but got little.

Instead you talk of a 'bankruptcy tidal wave of a different color,' and I wonder why. In your article(Sept 23, 2020) the very next sentence after the tidal wave dramatization is this, 'So far, 2020 has avoided a surge of personal bankruptcies. In fact, total bankruptcy filings year to date trail the 2019 figures.'

Given that great news and this comment a paragraph or two later, 'Another more measured view that says a moderate and gradual increase in bankruptcies seems equally, if not more, likely' makes me wonder why the article author and yourself even bothered to lead of with the silly tidal wave.

 
OllieC said:
see what I mean?
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No. You seemed to be claiming that deflection of goal-post moving is exclusively a "Liberal" tactic. My examples were intended to imply that such ploys are equally if not more likely to come from persons of other persuasions.
 
Woody said:
I agree, the next report will likely be less rosey.

I could see the report went only through March, made pretty clear in the heading above each one. I'm wondering ....why ignore the reports, they give another perspective, all positive for the country, something that rated much news coverage but got little.

Instead you talk of a 'bankruptcy tidal wave of a different color,' and I wonder why. In your article(Sept 23, 2020) the very next sentence after the tidal wave dramatization is this, 'So far, 2020 has avoided a surge of personal bankruptcies. In fact, total bankruptcy filings year to date trail the 2019 figures.'

Given that great news and this comment a paragraph or two later, 'Another more measured view that says a moderate and gradual increase in bankruptcies seems equally, if not more, likely' makes me wonder why the article author and yourself even bothered to lead of with the silly tidal wave.
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The article also explains that bankruptcies are a lagging indicator, so the story about President Trump's ultimate performance won't be known until after he is out of office. The president at that time will undoubtedly get the credit or blame for whatever it turns out to be. I actually think that's wrong. But, if a president is constantly trying to take credit for everything that happens on his watch while things are going well, he probably does deserve the blame when things go south. I agree that President Trump had an impressive economic record up until he didn't. I think that if he had handled the facts better he might have gotten reelected.
 
Here's the problem. Both sides are dealing from the bottom of the deck -- neither are really telling us the complete truth. For example, Georgia does an "audit" of 15,000 absentee ballot signatures and say look, we found nothing. Newspaper prints it's headline -- "No Fraud." MSM claims it has been "debunked."

Problem is, it's the type of audit you do when you don't want to find something. They audited a single county, Cobb. Well what if the issues occurred in Fulton, DeKalb, or Hall county -- no way you will find them by auditing a single county. If the GA SOS was legit, he would have taken samples from all counties and further investigated the ones that showed anomalies. Must think we are stupid or something.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/no-fra...-absentee-ballots/QF2PTOGHLNDLNDJEWBU56WEQHM/
 
Golfman25 said:
Here's the problem. Both sides are dealing from the bottom of the deck -- neither are really telling us the complete truth. For example, Georgia does an "audit" of 15,000 absentee ballot signatures and say look, we found nothing. Newspaper prints it's headline -- "No Fraud." MSM claims it has been "debunked."

Problem is, it's the type of audit you do when you don't want to find something. They audited a single county, Cobb. Well what if the issues occurred in Fulton, DeKalb, or Hall county -- no way you will find them by auditing a single county. If the GA SOS was legit, he would have taken samples from all counties and further investigated the ones that showed anomalies. Must think we are stupid or something.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/no-fra...-absentee-ballots/QF2PTOGHLNDLNDJEWBU56WEQHM/
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Georgia is conducting a statewide signature audit:
https://www.11alive.com/article/new...y-uga/85-53d5417d-5b15-4521-b8a6-d8458cee4f5c
 
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