Dripless shaft seal failure today

PSS changed the hose barbs to Stainless Steel a couple of years ago at least. They no longer use the plastic fittings. FYI. PSS only needs water when the boat is on plane to cool. When at idle up to approx. 10 knots I think they say, the water that is in the pocket for the shaft log will cool the unit and the cooling line is technically not needed. When slow trawlers use PSS, no cooling line is required or ever attached.
 
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I am thinking the hose coming from the manifold clogged, thus overheating the seal and cracking the carbon. Now I can't explain how the barb broke (unless from heat). Also the "T" fitting connecting the hoses to both engines was blocked off so basically each seal for itself. I think if the "T" was connected the over heating would of never happened. If the hose got clogged at either manifold the T fitting would still supply water. I am going to replace all hoses, clamps and fittings.
 
04cobra23 said:
Cowboy,

Take it easy, did you have an accident today zipping up your pants?This forum is for helping others not being rude or an Internet warrior. Who's not choosing to listen to others? I was/am trying to gain information and knowledge on something I don't know much about. I am happy that you know it all.
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Not a Cowboy. Not an internet warrior. No scrotum accidents.

For the record. You said you were having the boat pulled on post #32. Post #'s 4,5,6,9,11,12,15,24,26 and 28 all advised you to pull the boat ASAP. IMO, you were just ignoring advice or at least not acknowledging advice from those who were trying to help others. Simply put, when the Titanic hit the iceberg re-arranging the deck chairs was not on the priority list of things that need to get done. So as to "Who's not choosing to listen to others?" I saw that person as you, hence my delivery style. If your boat is saved, good. Mission accomplished. If you did not care for my delivery, fine. Mission still accomplished. If you don't want to listen to me or think me an ass, fine. I'll be the first to admit my knowledge comes from experiences.... Most of them bad. Howevere, if you don't want to listen to Frank Webster, John (Restoration Marine), and a host of others with qualifications out the yang, IMHO sir, you are making a gross error in judgement.
 
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FWIW, and that probably isn't much, but David said a lot of what I was thinking.... This boat was in a real danger of sinking and it wasn't clear by this thread how well that was understood.

I smiled when I saw "cowboy" in the response. If I go on a somewhat tongue-in-cheek rant, I won't mind at all if someone calls me a cowboy at the end of it. I think we can move on.
 
dpmulvey said:
Not a Cowboy. Not an internet warrior. No scrotum accidents.

For the record. You said you were having the boat pulled on post #32. Post #'s 4,5,6,9,11,12,15,24,26 and 28 all advised you to pull the boat ASAP. IMO, you were just ignoring advice or at least not acknowledging advice from those who were trying to help others. Simply put, when the Titanic hit the iceberg re-arranging the deck chairs was not on the priority list of things that need to get done. So as to "Who's not choosing to listen to others?" I saw that person as you, hence my delivery style. If your boat is saved, good. Mission accomplished. If you did not care for my delivery, fine. Mission still accomplished. If you don't want to listen to me or think me an ass, fine. I'll be the first to admit my knowledge comes from experiences.... Most of them bad. Howevere, if you don't want to listen to Frank Webster, John (Restoration Marine), and a host of others with qualifications out the yang, IMHO sir, you are making a gross error in judgement.
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Mr. 04cobra,

I followed this thread from post #1 and I'm afraid I agree with everything David said to you. I thought about responding with very similar comments directed at you....but David beat me to it and to be honest he was much more tactful that I would have been. You were getting serious advice regarding a potential critical situation and as David so eloquently put it, chose "....to arrange the deck chairs."

When you finally posted the boat was being hauled and asked what you should do while it was out my initial reaction was to tell you to prepare it for sale as I'm not sure you are responsible enough to own a boat that size. Your comments and reaction to the situation indicates a pair of "Floaties" on your arms might be more appropriate.

Your situation is indicative of a condition that is happening more and more on this site. Newbies and boat owners that are less than knowledgeable about their vessels come on this site, ask for advice and then piss all over the advice they're given by, expert (some) and experienced (many) boaters. No one starts out knowing everything about boating when they get their first boat (some think they do) but knowledge and wisdom are gained by experience and asking advice from those that have been there. And those that have that wisdom are freely willing to help and share that wisdom only because someone back a few years shared that wisdom with them.

This thread has generated over 40 posts and really should have been less than one page. (Post #1 You: "My dripless shaft seal failed. What should I do?" Post #2 Us: "Haul your boat now, its in danger of sinking." Post # 3 You: "Thanks, I'll get on it right away." End of thread) But you chose to keep it alive with an attitude that was entertaining and beneficial only in its illustration of how thoughtless, ignorant and truly unaware someone can be.

In my opinion, and clearly that of a few others, David's comments to you were kinder than they deserved to be. Enjoy your boat because the way you are going you probably wont have it much longer.

Shawn
 
NorCal Boater said:
Mr. 04cobra,

I followed this thread from post #1 and I'm afraid I agree with everything David said to you. I thought about responding with very similar comments directed at you....but David beat me to it and to be honest he was much more tactful that I would have been. You were getting serious advice regarding a potential critical situation and as David so eloquently put it, chose "....to arrange the deck chairs."

When you finally posted the boat was being hauled and asked what you should do while it was out my initial reaction was to tell you to prepare it for sale as I'm not sure you are responsible enough to own a boat that size. Your comments and reaction to the situation indicates a pair of "Floaties" on your arms might be more appropriate.

Your situation is indicative of a condition that is happening more and more on this site. Newbies and boat owners that are less than knowledgeable about their vessels come on this site, ask for advice and then piss all over the advice they're given by, expert (some) and experienced (many) boaters. No one starts out knowing everything about boating when they get their first boat (some think they do) but knowledge and wisdom are gained by experience and asking advice from those that have been there. And those that have that wisdom are freely willing to help and share that wisdom only because someone back a few years shared that wisdom with them.

This thread has generated over 40 posts and really should have been less than one page. (Post #1 You: "My dripless shaft seal failed. What should I do?" Post #2 Us: "Haul your boat now, its in danger of sinking." Post # 3 You: "Thanks, I'll get on it right away." End of thread) But you chose to keep it alive with an attitude that was entertaining and beneficial only in its illustration of how thoughtless, ignorant and truly unaware someone can be.

In my opinion, and clearly that of a few others, David's comments to you were kinder than they deserved to be. Enjoy your boat because the way you are going you probably wont have it much longer.

Shawn
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Actually, I've been looking for a 40+ sedan. 340 is a little small for my liking. But thank you for that long dragged out worthless response. It definitely wasn't worth the 5% of my battery power it took to read it. As far as ending on post 3, you can leave that upto your own threads. I like to understand from different perspectives how this failed. Some of you take this forum/Internet was too seriously. Maybe it's because your boss yells at you so you feel the need to be an a** behind a keyboard. Finally, I never said I wasn't going to haul the boat.
 
dpmulvey said:
Not a Cowboy. Not an internet warrior. No scrotum accidents.

For the record. You said you were having the boat pulled on post #32. Post #'s 4,5,6,9,11,12,15,24,26 and 28 all advised you to pull the boat ASAP. IMO, you were just ignoring advice or at least not acknowledging advice from those who were trying to help others. Simply put, when the Titanic hit the iceberg re-arranging the deck chairs was not on the priority list of things that need to get done. So as to "Who's not choosing to listen to others?" I saw that person as you, hence my delivery style. If your boat is saved, good. Mission accomplished. If you did not care for my delivery, fine. Mission still accomplished. If you don't want to listen to me or think me an ass, fine. I'll be the first to admit my knowledge comes from experiences.... Most of them bad. Howevere, if you don't want to listen to Frank Webster, John (Restoration Marine), and a host of others with qualifications out the yang, IMHO sir, you are making a gross error in judgement.
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Again, I never said I wasnt hauling the boat.
 
I have to agree with cobra on this one. He asked a question, got an answer or two then got beat up for his response. It's not your (dp or NorCal) boat so if it sinks it sinks but he didn't say he wasn't going to haul it out. And to say he's not responsible without knowing the guy is absurd. So much for the friendly Sea Ray family site. LOL
 







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04cobra23 said:
Actually, I've been looking for a 40+ sedan. 340 is a little small for my liking. But thank you for that long dragged out worthless response. It definitely wasn't worth the 5% of my battery power it took to read it. As far as ending on post 3, you can leave that upto your own threads. I like to understand from different perspectives how this failed. Some of you take this forum/Internet was too seriously. Maybe it's because your boss yells at you so you feel the need to be an a** behind a keyboard. Finally, I never said I wasn't going to haul the boat.
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Its not the internet or the forum I take too seriously. I personally get tired of people coming on this site, asking for advice and then seemingly ignoring it.

For the record I don't have a boss. Good Luck with the new boat. I'm out.
 
Bucit said:
I have to agree with cobra on this one. He asked a question, got an answer or two then got beat up for his response. It's not your (dp or NorCal) boat so if it sinks it sinks but he didn't say he wasn't going to haul it out. And to say he's not responsible without knowing the guy is absurd. So much for the friendly Sea Ray family site. LOL
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+100... There was no reason to come out after Cobra like the few of you did. I actually lost a bit of respect for this site following this thread over the last couple of days. Name calling and the lack of respect of a fellow boater and person that you have shown is frankly absurd ....get a bit of class your embarrassing yourselves from my perspective.
 
NorCal Boater said:
Mr. 04cobra,


your situation is indicative of a condition that is happening more and more on this site. Newbies and boat owners that are less than knowledgeable about their vessels come on this site, ask for advice and then piss all over the advice they're given by, expert (some) and experienced (many) boaters. No one starts out knowing everything about boating when they get their first boat (some think they do) but knowledge and wisdom are gained by experience and asking advice from those that have been there. And those that have that wisdom are freely willing to help and share that wisdom only because someone back a few years shared that wisdom with them.


,Shawn
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The other day as I was reading on here and I was thinking the same thing about (newbie's. Nobody want's to think for themselves anymore. They want answers and then don't listen.

That would be called the "Me" first crowd.
Mike
 
NorCal Boater said:
Its not the internet or the forum I take too seriously. I personally get tired of people coming on this site, asking for advice and then seemingly ignoring it.

For the record I don't have a boss. Good Luck with the new boat. I'm out.
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AGAIN, Who is ignoring advice? Since I didn't respond with my intention within the first 3 posts that I was hauling the boat means I'm ignoring advice? Take a walk, don't rush back
 
Didn't everyone on this site start off as "newbies". i didn't realize how many "know it all's" were on here. These forums exist for a reason, not for all the "experts" to pump their chest and name call.
 
04's first post was at 8:48pm on sunday,around here you would be lucky to get pulled in two days.Mabey tied at the corners to good posts and a extra pump thrown in the bilge but not pulled.I think he was hoping for an easy fix or diy,arent we all? And although i have poked fun at posts before i have never picked on one with such vhemence.I actually did learn a bit about dripless also,so not all was lost on this thread.
 
All,

Frank and I joined this site within a couple of months of each in 2006. Speaking for myself.....I like to help people and I like the process of sorting out problems especially if they have a happy ending. I learned a long time ago that people learn and respond differently to identical situations.

Many of the problems people post are the middle of a story and you don't know what started the cascade that ultimately gave them the courage to ask a question. Some boards are more brutal than others....most people ask for help when they are in trouble or they are looking for opinions. Cobra had a mechanic that he trusted. I'm sure he told him the same thing that the boat needed to come out of the water for the repair. Spending $1,000-1,500 for the short haul and repair is still a lot of money. CSR is a good place for getting a second (third, fourth, fifth.....) opinions from.

Remember it is always your choice if you want to help someone or criticize them (of course I'm on my second marriage which means I might have learned something from the first one).

John
 
PlayDate said:
All,

Frank and I joined this site within a couple of months of each in 2006. Speaking for myself.....I like to help people and I like the process of sorting out problems especially if they have a happy ending. I learned a long time ago that people learn and respond differently to identical situations.

Many of the problems people post are the middle of a story and you don't know what started the cascade that ultimately gave them the courage to ask a question. Some boards are more brutal than others....most people ask for help when they are in trouble or they are looking for opinions. Cobra had a mechanic that he trusted. I'm sure he told him the same thing that the boat needed to come out of the water for the repair. Spending $1,000-1,500 for the short haul and repair is still a lot of money. CSR is a good place for getting a second (third, fourth, fifth.....) opinions from.

Remember it is always your choice if you want to help someone or criticize them (of course I'm on my second marriage which means I might have learned something from the first one).

John
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well said John....and you practice what you preach....i remember how much of a help you and others were to me when i was having issues with an ignition system on a previous boat a couple years ago...that was a long ordeal and not once did you ever think it was necessary to belittle me or judge me or insult me all the time you were trying to teach me....and it was VERY MUCH appreciated......

i have re-read this thread a few times to attempt to identify the point some felt it necessary to begin attacking 04cobra23 and to be honest i really did not see any just cause for the personal attacks....he never said he was not going to pull the boat to investigate the issue and make the repairs....i think not pulling the boat or delaying pulling the boat was just an assumption made by some.....it did take him a couple days to pull the boat but for all we know that is the soonest the marina could do the work...i interpreted his sequence of posts to be questions in an attempt to learn some things but the personal attacks prevented that from happening....

i'm not taking sides on this and in fact i try to avoid becoming involved at all on 'issues' like this because i have a great deal of respect for everyone on this forum that at least tries to help someone and guide them in what they feel is the right direction to address and correct a problem....and sometimes these good people that i respect get entangled in something like this for whatever reasons....i have no reason or right to judge anyone or their actions so i don't....but sometimes i can't help but question what leads people to launch personal attacks on others.....even if we feel it is warranted IMHO we should always try to keep things civilized and somewhat professional....i think someone said in one of the post that all we can do is provide advise and suggestions and consequences to a poster about an issue that has come up, but at the end of the day it is the responsibility of the poster to assimilate all the info given to him/her and make a decision how to react....

trust me, i am no saint and have found myself in arguments and said some things i regretted afterwards due to loosing my temper, but as i get older and hopeully a little wiser this is happening on a MUCH less frequency....that is why i take the stance that i am in no position to judge anyone, but i do like to observe and ask questions sometimes....

cliff
 
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