Craig
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- Feb 8, 2007
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I70's are great. A lot of configuration possibilities.
Diesel View / Vessel View Upgrade
- Thread starter rlynch03
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- Nov 4, 2019
- 2,480
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- 2010 Sundancer 500
2015 Brig Falcon 330T
- Engines
- Twin Cummins QSC550 w Zeus Pods
First runs with the new vv703.
Love it and no intermittent rebooting! WIN!!!
Still playing with the configuration and I have to figure out how to add my fresh water and black water levels to the configuration.
But for sure, so far, so good.
Love it and no intermittent rebooting! WIN!!!
Still playing with the configuration and I have to figure out how to add my fresh water and black water levels to the configuration.
But for sure, so far, so good.
Does it boot up on an engine scan? Display fault codes? I would assume so but don't know for sure.
- Nov 4, 2019
- 2,480
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- 2010 Sundancer 500
2015 Brig Falcon 330T
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- Twin Cummins QSC550 w Zeus Pods
It does indeed. Appears to be fully integrated into the power package. Recognized when I went into and out of Auto-Heading exactly as expected. Did not try skyhook. Next outing..
Captsteve427
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- Sep 8, 2019
- 424
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- 2007 44 Sundancer
"Sol Obsession"
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- Cummins
QSC 8.3L 500
I read through all the threads on getting gen set data on a VesselView display and they seem to mostly be related to the VV703 and/or issues on larger boats that have NIM board problems.
My project/boat is a little different and I’d like to get some feedback from anybody who may have tackled a similar one on a 44SD.
I recently updated from a SC5000 with a faded screen;
to a VesselView 502;
The Onan 9k generator has a the Smartcraft circuit board with the harness labeled gen set NIM, and the plug labeled “To Termination Resister” that has the yellow cap, which I’ve seen mentioned on other threads. All of the jumpers appear intact.
With this said…. Is getting the gen set data to display on the 502 as easy as plugging into the harness with the end resister, then into the J1939 to N2k Maretron Gateway, then with a drop cable into my NEMA backbone and configuring the 502?
Do any jumpers need to be cut? The unit has a sound shield and it’s nearly impossible to get my phone in the box where the circuit board is to get these photos, much less a hand in there to patch a cut jumper, if need be and want to get it right the first time. Thnx
My project/boat is a little different and I’d like to get some feedback from anybody who may have tackled a similar one on a 44SD.
I recently updated from a SC5000 with a faded screen;
to a VesselView 502;
The Onan 9k generator has a the Smartcraft circuit board with the harness labeled gen set NIM, and the plug labeled “To Termination Resister” that has the yellow cap, which I’ve seen mentioned on other threads. All of the jumpers appear intact.
With this said…. Is getting the gen set data to display on the 502 as easy as plugging into the harness with the end resister, then into the J1939 to N2k Maretron Gateway, then with a drop cable into my NEMA backbone and configuring the 502?
Do any jumpers need to be cut? The unit has a sound shield and it’s nearly impossible to get my phone in the box where the circuit board is to get these photos, much less a hand in there to patch a cut jumper, if need be and want to get it right the first time. Thnx
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You will not be able to display the NIM data on any Vessel View product in the Smartcraft protocol. Diesel View was the only device that supported. The reason is, Mercury discontinued supporting the network (CAN 3 / CAN V) the generator's data transmits on.
The only way I can find to get the data on a network is to convert the NIM data to SAE J1939 protocol then to NMEA 2000. Then the NMEA 2000 data can be displayed on the Vessel View products as well as others.
Do a search on my name - some time ago I detailed that conversion.
- Nov 4, 2019
- 2,480
- Boat Info
- 2010 Sundancer 500
2015 Brig Falcon 330T
- Engines
- Twin Cummins QSC550 w Zeus Pods
Good timing.
For those who are missing the generator hours on their vesselview, when I moved from the vv7 to vv703 I had the same issue initially.I found under advanced options, a checkbox labeled "is generator". Which was set to 0. Once I set it to 1, the hours showed up.
I will try to find it next time I'm at the boat. Let me if you find it, or have previously set it with different results.
As @ttmott said. You will need the maretron and either a nmea2k nim or cut the jumper as outlined above.
Shaps
For those who are missing the generator hours on their vesselview, when I moved from the vv7 to vv703 I had the same issue initially.I found under advanced options, a checkbox labeled "is generator". Which was set to 0. Once I set it to 1, the hours showed up.
I will try to find it next time I'm at the boat. Let me if you find it, or have previously set it with different results.
As @ttmott said. You will need the maretron and either a nmea2k nim or cut the jumper as outlined above.
Shaps
Tom:
I have the Vessel View 1.5 units and the Smartcraft SC2.5 system which did away with the Can V network providing data to the Diesel View and Vessel View units using SC2.2. So, I don't get gen data to the VV units. However, I have the Smartcraft NIM. Eventhough it isn't being used, I believe I have the Can V wiring at the Junction boxes and VV harness. Could I simply run twisted pair from the NIM and splice into the unused Can V +/- at the junction box? Thanks.
I have the Vessel View 1.5 units and the Smartcraft SC2.5 system which did away with the Can V network providing data to the Diesel View and Vessel View units using SC2.2. So, I don't get gen data to the VV units. However, I have the Smartcraft NIM. Eventhough it isn't being used, I believe I have the Can V wiring at the Junction boxes and VV harness. Could I simply run twisted pair from the NIM and splice into the unused Can V +/- at the junction box? Thanks.
You could and probably it is already done. The issue is CAN V is no longer used by the Smartcraft systems.
You could, however, tap into the CAN V terminals anywhere in the network including J-Boxes then proceed to convert that to NMEA 2000 using the method I did. You need to make sure that terminating resistors for the network are properly placed and installed.
My objective is to get Smartcraft NIM gen data on the VV1.5 units rather than convert to NMEA2K. Assuming there is unused Can V wiring at the J box and VV1.5 and since VV1.5 speaks NMEA0183, I am guessing that by 'recreating the Can V bus' I can get gen data to the VV1.5 units. If I am correct, I would still need to power the bus and install terminating resistors. The VV1.5 does have a 'Can V wake' connection which may be the power source for the bus.
I know this scenario is hard to discuss without wiring diagrams. I am using the correct SC2.5 diagram from Cummins Quickserve as well as Merc SC2.2/SC2.5 diag manuals.
I have just found the wiring diagram for the SC2.2 version showing the powered junction box. This will be very helpful in determining what's needed.
I know this scenario is hard to discuss without wiring diagrams. I am using the correct SC2.5 diagram from Cummins Quickserve as well as Merc SC2.2/SC2.5 diag manuals.
I have just found the wiring diagram for the SC2.2 version showing the powered junction box. This will be very helpful in determining what's needed.
OK worth a try. The NIM only works for Smartcraft or SAE J1939 protocols; you have to alter the NIM for it to operate J1939. Don't confuse Smartcraft with NMEA 0183; they are totally different and not compatible to my knowledge.
If the Powered J-box combines CAN V with CAN P or CAN H then maybe it will work. I've never played with those J-boxes. What I do know is Vessel View will not interface with CAN V.
If the Powered J-box combines CAN V with CAN P or CAN H then maybe it will work. I've never played with those J-boxes. What I do know is Vessel View will not interface with CAN V.
Oh well. Just got off the phone with Mercury. Even though my VV1.5 (replaced DieselView) will display Gen data using the old Can V network from SC2.2, they said there is no way to retrofit a Can V system on my SC2.5 system. Onwards to NMEA2k.
- May 16, 2019
- 1,035
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- 07 52 Sedan Bridge, 2019 Brig Falcon 360HT-30HP Honda, 2003 16' Dauntless
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- Cummins QSM 11 660 HP w/ ZF 325-1A
I have noticed SOME data is exactly the same port and starboard on my 703. Making me believe it is pulling from the same source.
Yours may be doing the same…
Captsteve427
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- Sep 8, 2019
- 424
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- 2007 44 Sundancer
"Sol Obsession"
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- Cummins
QSC 8.3L 500
I have the same issue with my upgrade to a VV502. Has anybody had that problem and resolved it?
In the VV setup set Starboard Engine to Instance 0 and Port engine to Instance 1.
RBB
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- Dec 18, 2019
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- 2004 480MY
2006 44DB
2019 Sea Doo GTX 155
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2004 390 MY Sold
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- Cummins QSM11 680Hp
Cummins QSC 500
We have 44 sedan bridge. I have updated to VesselView 7.03 . Does it show engine load like the smartcraft sc5000.
Our boat is a 2006 QSC 500’s
Our boat is a 2006 QSC 500’s
I can't answer if it is like the smartcraft sc5000 but it will show engine load as a percentage.
- May 16, 2019
- 1,035
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- 07 52 Sedan Bridge, 2019 Brig Falcon 360HT-30HP Honda, 2003 16' Dauntless
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- Cummins QSM 11 660 HP w/ ZF 325-1A
- May 16, 2019
- 1,035
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- 07 52 Sedan Bridge, 2019 Brig Falcon 360HT-30HP Honda, 2003 16' Dauntless
- Engines
- Cummins QSM 11 660 HP w/ ZF 325-1A
Note the Smartcraft section on the far left. The Port GPH and Starboard GPH is the only page/section that seems to be pulling from the port engine. The section on the middle shows different data for the Port and Starbord GPH which is more realistic.
Mercury said that section averages the two together. Not sure I buy it. See their response see below also…
“Richard here is the response I got back from my Smartcraft guy. “The simple answer is it’s a matter of averaging data. The graph on the right is Navico/Simrads and the graph on the left is mercury’s. We ave differently then they do”
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