Cheesehead and Hoosier Legislators...Get out of Illinois!

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320Bob

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Certainly we folks here in the sad State of Illinois have our share of political shame to bear with a former governor making license plates, Blago (Ron Blagoavich) blathering all over the media, and yes, now Rahm the Ripper the newly elected Mayor of Chicago. But having Wisconsin and Indiana legislators hiding their sorry asses in our State to avoid facing the political music is unquestionably a new political low. It would be nice for a change if they would reflect for even a millisecond that they work for the taxpayers in WI and IN not the people/organizations that contributed heavily to their election/re-election. Maybe I'll write to the Governor today and suggest he offer a bounty on legislators from neighboring states seeking political asylum here.:smt009:smt009
 
320Bob said:
now Rahm the Ripper the newly elected Mayor of Chicago.
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Bob, on a side note- How did Rahm end up getting around the residency requirement? I know the lower court kicked him off but the higher court ruled in his favor. It seemed pretty cut and dry- he did not live in state for a year prior which was a requirement to run. Just curious why the higher court ruled how it did. I was tied up paying attention to the Egypt stuff while that was going on.
 
Flat landers have been using Indy and Wisc natural resources for years now you're complaining that they're sending the fruits and nuts directly to you??? :smt043:smt043:smt043

Just kidding man!! At least you will see a boost in the hotel business for this quarter.
 
Blago had a great idea but got caught. Bring back the Daley's!
 
I for one will stand behind our indiana state democrates for doing this. they are standing up for my rights and the rights of thousands of others here in indiana. The republicans are trying to eliminate the barganing rights of us union workers. They say it will make the state more money but answer me this, how is the state going to make more money when we will be making less $$$. we have a strong union here in our local and we will support our reps to the end and however it gets done so that both parties are happy. This whole battle comes down from the GIANT ceos that are making the big bucks wanting to screw us the little guys. They pay there state reps under the table to start this mess in hopes of fattening up their pockets and less in ours. Spread the wealth and quit being greedy..... Just my 2 cents
 
wavedancer37 said:
I for one will stand behind our indiana state democrates for doing this. they are standing up for my rights and the rights of thousands of others here in indiana.
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It seems to me if they were "standing up for your rights" as you put it, they would have stayed to do their job legislating rather than run out of state to huddle up in a Comfort Inn. Just my 2 cents.
 
wavedancer37 said:
I for one will stand behind our indiana state democrates for doing this. they are standing up for my rights and the rights of thousands of others here in indiana. The republicans are trying to eliminate the barganing rights of us union workers. They say it will make the state more money but answer me this, how is the state going to make more money when we will be making less $$$. we have a strong union here in our local and we will support our reps to the end and however it gets done so that both parties are happy. This whole battle comes down from the GIANT ceos that are making the big bucks wanting to screw us the little guys. They pay there state reps under the table to start this mess in hopes of fattening up their pockets and less in ours. Spread the wealth and quit being greedy..... Just my 2 cents
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Clueless...

I bet you didn't do well in math in high school...
 
Four Suns said:
Clueless...

I bet you didn't do well in math in high school...
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Care to explain. Im not trying to say they are right or wrong. Just voicing my opinion which is why there is a thread.
Here is the way I do the math. If the right to work bill passes I potentially could make 50k less a year. Do the math on how much the state is going to make off of me making that much less.
 
wavedancer37 said:
This whole battle comes down from the GIANT ceos that are making the big bucks wanting to screw us the little guys.
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Please research the total amount of union dues collected in 2010 and try to determine where it went. Then you can post back here & change the phrase "GIANT ceos" to "Those Thievin' Union Rep B@st@rds".

It might even be a fun exercise to match up which government official is in cahoots with which union executive.

Let us know how you make out.
 
It's like my wife going to a Talbots sale and spending $4,000 and telling me how much money she saved me.

If you are a government employee... the taxpayer doesn't "make money off of you" by paying you...
 
Hmmm...Neither the federal nor the state government is charged with "making money". Their responsibility is to uphold the constitution, protect the citizens from illegal force and fraud, among few enumerated powers. They can only tax the citizens to pay for government. And some speak of this "spread the wealth" around. If you look at the statistics, something like the top 1% of earners (of which I am not one by any stretch), earn like 19% of all wages, but pay 37% of all income taxes. I would ask any who want to spread the wealth: how much is enough? How much?

Businesses will migrate to where the most capital can be created, hence the move to business-friendly states from states in the "Rust Belt". It is only good business sense. And businesses are the job-creators, not government, federal or state. But I digress...

A lot of these states with punitive taxes are well and truly boned.

Let's all go boating!
John
 
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The right to work bill elimnating the employee from joining the union isint where the money is going to be lossed guys (union dues are miniscule). Its in the bargaining rights. "our pay" Thats the big picture. I know non union members arent up to speed on this whole debate right now so I can understand where the confusion is.
 
I've been on both sides. My Dad was a union member all of his career as a craneman in a steel mill, back when Americans made their own steel. He had some mixed feeling of the union, but stuck by them and appreciated what they did for him. I can only imagine how our lives would have been changed if there were no unions to represent him in the conditions he worked in. My Dad, grandfather, other grandfather, uncle, Mom, and father-in-law all worked in that same steel mill and were in that union; except for my Mom, all retired from there.

I've never been part of a union, and have a nice "white collar" career. I wish my wife was part of a union. Where she works, they are always changing her working conditions, changing her hours, lunch time, benefits, etc. And there's nothing she can do about it, except quit. Turnover is high because of it.

So I can relate.
 
wavedancer37 said:
The right to work bill elimnating the employee from joining the union isint where the money is going to be lossed guys (union dues are miniscule). Its in the bargaining rights. "our pay" Thats the big picture. I know non union members arent up to speed on this whole debate right now so I can understand where the confusion is.
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This is a prank post. Right? You are joking. Right? Please tell me you are just trying to have some fun.

Col. Nathan Jessup said... "These men are on trial for their lives. Please tell me you haven't pinned their hopes to a phone bill".

I say... Your financial future may be at stake. Please tell me you haven't pinned your hopes to the passage of a right to work bill."
 
wavedancer37 said:
If the right to work bill passes I potentially could make 50k less a year. Do the math on how much the state is going to make off of me making that much less.
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So what your saying is that you're way over paid?
 
Four Suns said:
It's like my wife going to a Talbots sale and spending $4,000 and telling me how much money she saved me.

If you are a government employee... the taxpayer doesn't "make money off of you" by paying you...
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Gary,

You have been missed.




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wavedancer37 said:
OH BROTHER, dont be jealous,lol
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Hey, I'm originally from Illinois and still have family and friends there but the truth is that union workers get away with murder. Freinds that operate cranes make 3-4 times more than the same person in Florida and can screw up a few times and still not be fired. :huh:
 
Wavedancer: We disagree on the big picture. The big picture, in my opinion, is keeping our freedoms, and keeping government - state and federal - out of our lives and pockets, and creating opportunity for those who have the drive to take advantage. Union membership, by the most recent records, is 12% private/37% public. Are you suggesting that it is more important (big picture) to "stay this course", for the benefit of union members, but at the cost to the population as a whole?

Gunn: In my youth, I was also a member of the steelworkers union, as I worked in a steel mill in northern WV that at one time employed over 12,000 men and women. Employment is now down to around 2500, they are struggling to keep that. Those workers have left, and gone where new jobs have been created.

The capital moves to where more can be created.

Meanwhile...I will be cracking open the cover on the Sea Ray this weekend, and hoping to head to lake Wylie!

Enjoy!
John
 
I agree with you bucit, Unions do have thier ups and downs. I also know for a fact that there are strong and weak unions. The one im in is very strong on supporting their workers. Thats why I back my union so strongly.

The unions in south do make less money from what I have heard, and I cant say why. From what I have heard alot of the union jobs here in the north are non union working jobs in the south and im just guessing at why they make less. Just an observation
 
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