Bidens speeches at his rallys

aerobat said:
that all has some real fun in it , no question .

i laughed out hard after this phone call at the official fraud report hotline .

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Dude better keep his day job. Not even close to funny. This is how you prank:
 
golfman , your link is indeed also very good !

on the voters fraud hotline i spilled my coffee at his last words " for defense of graham - its hard to be a deepthroat queen working on something that is described ( by stormy ? ) as a button ...

that are hard words
 
If anyone needs further edu-macation of the process, this gentlemen lays it out pretty clearly. Although I assumed this needed to be a tie, this could be triggered if neither reaches 270 by the time frame.

What Happens if President Trump Doesn't Concede

 
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ollie : fake news , FAKE NEWS !

afaik this only apllies to a draw . if after recounting and courts there still is a majority for biden he will be inaugurated in january and become new president without anything trump can do against it .

on this day he can order the secret service to escort trump out .
 
aerobat said:
ollie : fake news , FAKE NEWS !

afaik this only apllies to a draw . if after recounting and courts there still is a majority for biden he will be inaugurated in january and become new president without anything trump can do against it .

on this day he can order the secret service to escort trump out .
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aerobat : misinformed, MISINFORMED!

1824 wasn't a draw.......try again. Also, try starting at 4:12 and listen carefully. Then read the 12th Amendment. :confused: Seems like you are confused about the certification process.
 
OllieC said:
:rolleyes:o_O
It's a broken record you you guys..........
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that has eventually to be investigated . if the investigation confirms biden has the majority in the electoral vote there is zero effect if trump concedes or not . he will leave or he will be escorted out the white house in january .

1800 and 1824 were completely different situations and the video has no relevance to the actual situation .

not because i,m a big biden fan but because this are the facts .
 
Facts are facts. If it is determined that Trump doesn't win the electoral vote, then Trump will leave the White House. He will leave peacefully, sans a shot or two at the fake news media and Washington elite.

The electoral college may be a hoot this year. Because several states are inept at holding elections and counting votes, there are serious legal issues to be determined. If the PA vote is determined to be unconstitutional because a court and not the state legislature changed the rules, then what? GA, AZ and Nevada have similar problems. It's a great Constitutional Law test question.
 
aerobat said:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjABegQIAxAN&usg=AOvVaw0OhMZLxwvND2mlULzVl9zr

none of the candidates reached the sufficient electoral vote to reach a majority so it was factually a draw.

biden is above 270 so a completely another situation - he has the majority . what happens if trump refuses to leave white house in this case - see my post above .

its not easy with you i must say...
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aerobat said:
that has eventually to be investigated . if the investigation confirms biden has the majority in the electoral vote there is zero effect if trump concedes or not . he will leave or he will be escorted out the white house in january .

1800 and 1824 were completely different situations and the video has no relevance to the actual situation .

not because i,m a big biden fan but because this are the facts .
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WTF are you even talking about?

In 1824 no candidate received the majority of electoral votes which is why it was sent to the House. A candidate needed 131 electoral college votes (261 total) for a majority.

You're boring me.....
 
and in 2020 we have a majority , thats the difference . you will learn in january . promised.
 
OllieC said:
If anyone needs further edu-macation of the process, this gentlemen lays it out pretty clearly. Although I assumed this needed to be a tie, this could be triggered if neither reaches 270 by the time frame.

What Happens if President Trump Doesn't Concede

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I think you need to get a new edu-macator. This one doesn't even know the right number of members of the House of Representatives. Also, using the metaphor that our process is like that of a monarchy's wouldn't seem to be a great teaching technique.
The process he describes only kicks in if there is no candidate with a majority of certified electoral votes. We should know the answer to that in early December once all states have submitted Certificates of Ascertainment, which is the formal title of the certification. The process is pretty much over once that happens. There are certainly scenarios (more like dreams) where that won't occur but right now it looks extremely unlikely and is highly dependent on state law. There are also scenarios where electors themselves attempt to make changes but most if not all states have laws that make that pretty much impossible.
There is a process to object to elector votes at the Joint Session where Congress formally declares the winner. But, objections have to be agreed to by both the House and Senate.
Whether a candidate concedes or not has no bearing on any of the above except to the extent his or her followers cease efforts to overturn the results.
 
alnav said:
I think you need to get a new edu-macator. This one doesn't even know the right number of members of the House of Representatives.
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IIRC, because it looks like he’s having issues with his video, he was discussing that only one house rep is selected from each state. But hey, don’t take his word for it, read it here.

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;–The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;–The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. [And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.–]The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.



alnav said:
Also, using the metaphor that our process is like that of a monarchy's wouldn't seem to be a great teaching technique.
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I cringed at that as well


alnav said:
The process he describes only kicks in if there is no candidate with a majority of certified electoral votes.
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Which he mentions. You must have missed that part. Start at 4:12....or did you not watch the whole thing and cut and paste your response?
 
OllieC and Golfman25 are going to have a stoke. They keep hoping for a 12 hour reprieve but none is coming. OllieC take a pill and relax the outcome will be told to you soon. Hope there are no sharp objects around when they explain the outcome. :D:eek:o_O
 
OllieC said:
IIRC, because it looks like he’s having issues with his video, he was discussing that only one house rep is selected from each state. But hey, don’t take his word for it, read it here.


The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;–The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;–The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. [And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.–]The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.




I cringed at that as well



Which he mentions. You must have missed that part. Start at 4:12....or did you not watch the whole thing and cut and paste your response?
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I guess you didn't listen to the video past 4:12. At 4:44, he clearly states there are 475 members of the House of Representatives.
Your boy actually missed the election decided in Congress with the closest parallel to the scenario we are looking at, the election of 1876 where there were multiple state elector certs as well as accusations of voter fraud. The Congress, facing a crisis and seeing the 12th Amendment as it stood was not going to be sufficient to solve the problem, passed a quick law forming an "Electoral Commission" that ultimately decided the election through the Compromise of 1877 which ended Reconstruction in return for the election of the Republican candidate. Congress then passed the Electoral Count Act of 1887 to supplement the 12th Amendment. One needs to absorb that law to understand what may happen if the current election ends up in Congress for resolution. I would cut and paste it in but you are apparently uncomfortable with long pastes unless you do it.
 
Yes it just came back up. Clearly 475 is a misstatement but does not change the fact that if this goes to the house only 1 rep from each state is chosen.

So you seem confused about the majority? If neither get 270, it goes to the house. Not sure how much more ‘splaining needs to be done? I posted the 12th for you and all to read. Yet there seems to be more confusion. Maybe it’s the MSM you lefties absorb daily?

The last time I responded to you in an articulate way in the holding tank, you came back and told me you cut and pasted and then never responded, so forgive me for assuming you lack original thought.
 
aerobat said:
and in 2020 we have a majority , thats the difference . you will learn in january . promised.
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We do - when did this happen? Are you talking about Germany?
 
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Iprof said:
OllieC and Golfman25 are going to have a stoke. They keep hoping for a 12 hour reprieve but none is coming. OllieC take a pill and relax the outcome will be told to you soon. Hope there are no sharp objects around when they explain the outcome. :D:eek:o_O
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You see life through some funky glasses my man. I’m not angry or depressed at all. Disappointed in what’s happening with the election - sure. Again, I think you project your feelings onto others.....just sayin.
 
OllieC said:
Yes it just came back up. Clearly 475 is a misstatement but does not change the fact that if this goes to the house only 1 rep from each state is chosen.

So you seem confused about the majority? If neither get 270, it goes to the house. Not sure how much more ‘splaining needs to be done? I posted the 12th for you and all to read. Yet there seems to be more confusion. Maybe it’s the MSM you lefties absorb daily?

The last time I responded to you in an articulate way in the holding tank, you came back and told me you cut and pasted and then never responded, so forgive me for assuming you lack original thought.
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I remember a post where I responded to someone else about an issue with my thoughts. You chimed in with "Did you copy and paste that too?" I didn't respond because I figured you were just agitating or unable to contribute to the discussion. FWIW, I try to be careful to use quotes when I paste something in and always provide a reference link. If you don't see that, then it's my words.
I don't think I'm confused about the procedure. In fact, if you'll read carefully I'm mostly agreeing with you as to what could happen and am trying to fill in some of the details. But, I consider the likelihood to be extremely small of other than 270 electoral votes or more for President-elect Biden to be certified in the next couple of weeks.
 
I did read carefully, and I confirmed. So basically the only issues you take with the video is his equivalent to a monarchy and misquoting 475 HoR’s. I agree.

It sounds like you all have this election figured out so I’ll leave you to it.
 
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